what's up with the ANTI clomid attitude

[jagerbombme]

haven't been around much, been working too much and school. now im laid off for a bit and see all this negativity towards clomid. and some retard is telling people to take hcg and arimidex for pct. that's fucking retarted. i already made that mistake. most knew better too when i made the mistake.

what's going on here

 

[Mac173]

Politics my man.
If you don't like what's being said then just blow it off.
Turn your filter on.

 

[jmead]

the word on the street at the moment.. is hcg during cycle and not during pct.. and clomid pct.. of course there are a few unmentionables pushing other PCT product.. but clomids proven to work for most.. personal preference

 

[Papa Lion]

ditto that bro!!!! there's some shit advice being freely thrown about about for pct... there a link on my profile page that has good info on pct!! anyways glad to see somebody here on my side with this!!! and fully agree about hcg during and before pct... but not during!! I understand waht mac said about turning on filters... but the the newbies with open ears have not yet developed filters and doing them poor advice is just wrong!! filters are for opinions... and opinions ONLY!! not for fuckin somebodies life over because you wanna feel like big dick swingin in the wind via the internet!!

the above statement was not meant to offensive just my opinion and if you don't like it turn on your filters ( haha just playin mac ) but seriosly how are the greenhorns supposed to know the difference!! I guss that's where doing your own leg work comes into play... and not just taking the word of an i-net identity


~Papa Lion~

 

[OMEGA]

once I dialed down PCT here, i just kinda never register other ideas anymore.

assuming long esters used:

1 week after last shot
HCG 2000 ius Every 4th Day with an AI
do this for 3-4 shots

Drop the HCG the continue with
Clomid at 50 mgs a day along with an AI for another 3-4 weeks

Blood Tests after.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Politics? I don't think anyone here has a vested interest in clomid, or benefts from people not using it.

I recommend supplementing PCT with natural stuff but still advise using certain drugs when necessary. So it doesn't serve me to be against one drug and not another.

Since I was the lone "anti-clomid" guy from way back I'll take the stand. Any compound that acts as an estrogen (this includes nolva and certain natural substances such as DIM) works by occupying the receptor site thus not allowing estrogen to "dock." (An untechnical explanation but you get the idea). The problem is, it simply doesn't always work. In many cases, it just adds more estrogen and estrogen side effects. This is evidenced in the fact that some people feel like a "girly girl" while on it. Some guys get a surge in libido on clomid while others experience a drop in libido. it's a crap shoot. Other sides include moodiness, depression, blurred vision and fatique. According to Jerry Brainum, most pros no longer use Clomid. Many non pros have tried alternative PCT which included some natural substances and have recovered as well and in some cases faster and better than when using Clomid.

I don't know what you did wrong with your PCT but there are a lot of things that can go awry. Blaming it on HCG and a-dexor not using Clomid may not be accurate.

Bottom line: If Clomid works for you, use it. But it's not the sure fire thing it was made out to be. And using more doesn't necessarily work better. Using it with the right supps can shorten the duration it's needed. And for many cycles it may not be neccessary at all. Rememeber, the old timers didn't use it and recovered fine with no gyno, but they didn't do the cycles most guys are doing today.

Hey, at least it isn't as bad as Nolvadex.

 

[Mac173]

Politics? I don't think anyone here has a vested interest in clomid, or benefts from people not using it.

I recommend supplementing PCT with natural stuff but still advise using certain drugs when necessary. So it doesn't serve me to be against one drug and not another.

Since I was the lone "anti-clomid" guy from way back I'll take the stand. Any compound that acts as an estrogen (this includes nolva and certain natural substances such as DIM) works by occupying the receptor site thus not allowing estrogen to "dock." (An untechnical explanation but you get the idea). The problem is, it simply doesn't always work. In many cases, it just adds more estrogen and estrogen side effects. This is evidenced in the fact that some people feel like a "girly girl" while on it. Some guys get a surge in libido on clomid while others experience a drop in libido. it's a crap shoot. Other sides include moodiness, depression, blurred vision and fatique. According to Jerry Brainum, most pros no longer use Clomid. Many non pros have tried alternative PCT which included some natural substances and have recovered as well and in some cases faster and better than when using Clomid.

I don't know what you did wrong with your PCT but there are a lot of things that can go awry. Blaming it on HCG and a-dexor not using Clomid may not be accurate.

Bottom line: If Clomid works for you, use it. But it's not the sure fire thing it was made out to be. And using more doesn't necessarily work better. Using it with the right supps can shorten the duration it's needed. And for many cycles it may not be neccessary at all. Rememeber, the old timers didn't use it and recovered fine with no gyno, but they didn't do the cycles most guys are doing today.

Hey, at least it isn't as bad as Nolvadex.

PCT is in no way cookie cutter.
Everybody has their own tweak to it.
If someone asks I'll tell them what works for me.
This in no way states that my way is the only way or the way that you should do it also.
It is a recommendation that they are free to try or disregard at their leasure.

 

[jagerbombme]

Politics? I don't think anyone here has a vested interest in clomid, or benefts from people not using it.

I recommend supplementing PCT with natural stuff but still advise using certain drugs when necessary. So it doesn't serve me to be against one drug and not another.

Since I was the lone "anti-clomid" guy from way back I'll take the stand. Any compound that acts as an estrogen (this includes nolva and certain natural substances such as DIM) works by occupying the receptor site thus not allowing estrogen to "dock." (An untechnical explanation but you get the idea). The problem is, it simply doesn't always work. In many cases, it just adds more estrogen and estrogen side effects. This is evidenced in the fact that some people feel like a "girly girl" while on it. Some guys get a surge in libido on clomid while others experience a drop in libido. it's a crap shoot. Other sides include moodiness, depression, blurred vision and fatique. According to Jerry Brainum, most pros no longer use Clomid. Many non pros have tried alternative PCT which included some natural substances and have recovered as well and in some cases faster and better than when using Clomid.

I don't know what you did wrong with your PCT but there are a lot of things that can go awry. Blaming it on HCG and a-dexor not using Clomid may not be accurate.

Bottom line: If Clomid works for you, use it. But it's not the sure fire thing it was made out to be. And using more doesn't necessarily work better. Using it with the right supps can shorten the duration it's needed. And for many cycles it may not be neccessary at all. Rememeber, the old timers didn't use it and recovered fine with no gyno, but they didn't do the cycles most guys are doing today.

Hey, at least it isn't as bad as Nolvadex.

what's wrong with nolvadex? is this blurred vision temporary?

 

[lifthard2005]

the blurred vision from clomid is very scary because you cant control it at all. i gotit one time from 150mg of clomid (this is when we thought you need to dose high then ramp down). 50mg ed is safest and works just as good as 150mg+ without the sides.

 

[OMEGA]

50mg ed is safest and works just as good as 150mg+ without the sides.

bingo