what we have all bin waiting for/Dermacrine before and after test results....oooo yaaa baby.

[Primordial Performance]

Re: what we have all bin waiting for/Dermacrine before and after test results....oooo

thats cuz clomid isn't an AI, i would still be more comfortable using a SERM WITH the derma and then continue the derma after the clomid to keep estro down, once you stop clomid you will most likely have high-normal estrogen levels because the negative feedback mechanism is not working (which is intended)

Its ok to use SERM’s with Derma, as it may have a synergistic effect, but IMO SERM’s are best avoided just for toxicity reasons.

Needto, we may have to test your levels again. You probably have an even higher level of testosterone now based on those DHEA levels at the time.

A new Derma is in the works right now that will help maintain the increase in test over the long run, and act as a more targeted formula for certain PCT users. More info in the comming weeks...

-Pp

 

[needtogetaas]

Re: what we have all bin waiting for/Dermacrine before and after test results....oooo

Its ok to use SERM’s with Derma, as it may have a synergistic effect, but IMO SERM’s are best avoided just for toxicity reasons.

Needto, we may have to test your levels again. You probably have an even higher level of testosterone now based on those DHEA levels at the time.

A new Derma is in the works right now that will help maintain the increase in test over the long run, and act as a more targeted formula for certain PCT users. More info in the comming weeks...

-Pp

I am down with another test.

 

[rompperstomper]

Re: what we have all bin waiting for/Dermacrine before and after test results....oooo

now let the company send out two kinds of samples......
one with active ingredents
one with out active compunds

keep a forum for the people to post results then after 6 weeks revel that the people with the blue dot on the bottle was real and the one with the green was a placebo .
let see if the test results match the samples
id like to see if the placebo gets any raise in test levels also using inactive compounds due to 2 weeks of natural recovery of the hpta and the bodys own way of increasing testosterone...

a double blinded placebo controlled study is what i need to see before i'll pull out my wallet ... i dont trust these random joes mailed free samples as much as i dont trust testamonials from people that use multilevel marketing products that they inturn sell.

 

[needtogetaas]

Re: what we have all bin waiting for/Dermacrine before and after test results....oooo

now let the company send out two kinds of samples......
one with active ingredents
one with out active compunds

keep a form for the people to post results then after 6 weeks revel that the people with the blue dot on the bottle was real and the one with the green was a placebo .
let see if the test results match the samples
id like to see if the placebo gets any raise in test levels also using inactive compounds due to 2 weeks of natural recovery of the hpta and the bodys own way of increasing testosterone...

a double blinded placebo controlled study is what i need to see before i'll pull out my wallet ... i dont trust these random joes mailed free samples as much as i dont trust testamonials from people that use multilevel marketing products that they inturn sell.

well like medical said....out side testing is being don medical is doing the testing because he felt the same way so he offered to pay out of pocket to get test don by random people getting derma.lol you people crack me up.

 

[D_Mac]

Re: what we have all bin waiting for/Dermacrine before and after test results....oooo

I think some one needs to try the stuff and get there own tests done, that will be the day i pay for the shit!

That is an independent lab that did the testing, check them out online, it isn't like PP is doing the testing. They are a pretty reputable independent lab and like any lab doing medical related testing there is huge liability if they don't have checks in place to ensure there will be no tampering.

 

[D_Mac]

Re: what we have all bin waiting for/Dermacrine before and after test results....oooo

thats cuz clomid isn't an AI, i would still be more comfortable using a SERM WITH the derma and then continue the derma after the clomid to keep estro down, once you stop clomid you will most likely have high-normal estrogen levels because the negative feedback mechanism is not working (which is intended)

Not a bad idea, weening yourself off the clomid while on derma would be a good technique, and the derma would keep the emotional side effects to a minimum

 

[D_Mac]

Re: what we have all bin waiting for/Dermacrine before and after test results....oooo

it is being done as we speak....so far results have mirrored those posted. I had a large independant test going that got scaled back but is still happening.......few testers post cycle and a few all natty. 2 week results show elevated test, elevated DHEA, lowered estrogen......progesterone is all over the place but that may have to do with other sups and pct.

good deal medic, a testament to the community on this board, good lookin out and thanks for takin it upon yourself to test the stuff.

 

[D_Mac]

Re: what we have all bin waiting for/Dermacrine before and after test results....oooo

now let the company send out two kinds of samples......
one with active ingredents
one with out active compunds

keep a forum for the people to post results then after 6 weeks revel that the people with the blue dot on the bottle was real and the one with the green was a placebo .
let see if the test results match the samples
id like to see if the placebo gets any raise in test levels also using inactive compounds due to 2 weeks of natural recovery of the hpta and the bodys own way of increasing testosterone...

a double blinded placebo controlled study is what i need to see before i'll pull out my wallet ... i dont trust these random joes mailed free samples as much as i dont trust testamonials from people that use multilevel marketing products that they inturn sell.

Needto wasn't coming off cycle, his last cycle was 8 months ago,... so it wasn't 2 weeks worth of natural recovery causeing recovery in hpta, he already had 8 months of natural recovery, 2 more ain't gonna make a difference

 

[needtogetaas]

Re: what we have all bin waiting for/Dermacrine before and after test results....oooo

Needto wasn't coming off cycle, his last cycle was 8 months ago,... so it wasn't 2 weeks worth of natural recovery causeing recovery in hpta, he already had 8 months of natural recovery, 2 more ain't gonna make a difference

ya i guess he over looked that.lol

 

[tupac]

good job needto thats good news for me and many others