Yes i know supplement help tremendously, but since food is so damn fuking expensive not everyone can afford all these supplement year round.. i dont need liver protection since i dont juice, im 100% natural when i started working out i was 5'8 175 lb at 22%bf now i weigh 221 lb at 5'9 15%bf, not bad for someone whos been working out for 3 years only... I have to eat so damn much food to keep this weight up or else i will lose weight rapidly.. Like i said to each their own, if you have the money to buy all these supp year round then i see no problem with that..