We need to leave Israel alone!

[Wfabrizio]

Stumpy, I want to keep this peaceful because I enjoy your presence on this board as well, these are just my opinions.....

I don't want to ignore the situation, I just don't want to hear all the propaganda that keeps flying around. And yes, I don't want the situation to effect the US as it is now.

Israel's foreign policy should reflect our own for the simple fact that we are integral in the support and defense of their nation. Considering that we are hand in hand with Israel, they need to adhere to our policies during the current situation we are now engaged in. The US is much more vulnerable than Israel in regards to terrorism.

The previous government had the best chance of sorting this crap out but many people fail to recognize what was an internal power struggle and assasination by the Mossad that took place in Israel of it's political leader. I do understand that the Palestinians have many different factions as well, it's just that many people are brainwashed into thinking that the Israeli's are just defending themselves from these horrible palestinians, when in fact the ultra nationalists are the aggressors in many occasions.

 

[MoneyBags]

wfabriozo, what have we done for israel recently? all we have done is fucked them over by forcing them to tolerate all that palestinian bullshit. israel shouldnt back out of those palestinian controlled cities, israel should eliminate the palestinian control in those areas and put it under israeli control.

 

[Stumpy (The Fucking dumbass Piece of Shit!)]

Wfabrizio, I agree with everything that you've just said.

 

[MoneyBags]

what do the palestinians have to offer to us? absolutely nothing but problems. we should push for an end to the peace process and let israel control its entire country.

 

[Wfabrizio]

That's cool stumpy. I just want to make sure that I'm regarded as an anti-semite because I'm anything but a racist.

Moneybags, Israel can do whatever it wants as long as it doesn't interfere with our national security as far as I'm concerned, but that's the problem, it is affecting our national security. Not directly from the Palestinians but obviously from many Islamic extremists.

 

[Stumpy (The Fucking dumbass Piece of Shit!)]

That's cool stumpy. I just want to make sure that I'm regarded as an anti-semite because I'm anything but a racist.

You forgot to add "not" right before "regarded" ... There's no need to explain yourself, because I never even hinted that you were one, but I guess others were throwing that epithet at you. Some people, when they get emotional and irrational, need to label anyone who disagrees with them.

 

[Wombat]

wfabriozo, what have we done for israel recently? all we have done is fucked them over by forcing them to tolerate all that palestinian bullshit. israel shouldnt back out of those palestinian controlled cities, israel should eliminate the palestinian control in those areas and put it under israeli control.

Heres 2 things that keep them alive
1. sent them billions of dollars in aid
2. built a missile defense system for them!


Israel would be a thing of the past if we didn't give them the tools to fight-----If an all out world war 3 happens ---Israel will be the first to go---They are sitting ducks out there and are still there because we allowed them to be. The U.S. has single handedly saved them from being wiped off the map.

When the use of oil is no longer needed by our country----and we have a missile defense system "that works" in place, they will be on there own and god have mercy on them!!

 

[MoneyBags]

Heres 2 things that keep them alive
1. sent them billions of dollars in aid
2. built a missile defense system for them!


Israel would be a thing of the past if we didn't give them the tools to fight-----If an all out world war 3 happens ---Israel will be the first to go---They are sitting ducks out there and are still there because we allowed them to be. The U.S. has single handedly saved them from being wiped off the map.

When the use of oil is no longer needed by our country----and we have a missile defense system "that works" in place, they will be on there own and god have mercy on them!!

1. from what i have heard we send arab countries billions in aid also.

2. israel currently has the ability to destroy all those countries without our help. israel has done it in the past and america made israel back off. israel should just all out attack them while israel is more powerful instead of waiting for the arab countries to get more powerful. the only thing keeping arab countries from destroying israel is the fact that they cant.

 

[thebabydoc]

Wombat...what a complete moron. Don't let facts get in the way of your opinion, ok?

Read moneybags' post. Simple facts.

We (the US) have REPEATEDLY held back the Israelis in their defensive/offensive strikes and made them return land or stop advances.

We (the US) have REPEATEDLY forced the Israelis back to the negotiating table with ignorant, terrorist Palestenians who time and again VIOLATE terms of cease fires and peace agreements.
We (the US) have REPEATEDLY purchased military technology and hardware from the Israelis.

Israel can and will toast the entire Middle East when the US withdraws, trust me on this. I welcome it as do the Israelis. Do you really really believe they are still around because of the US? They are probably the 3rd or 4th most powerful military power in the world. Do you realize that virtually every citizen is enlisted in the military forces and ALL have served. Where do you buy your crack?

 

[gymnpoppa]

weapon X, I didn't read more than a couple sentences into that jewish propaganda, because I knew where it was going and I've heard it before. The facts are that there was a substantial amount of people that were wrongfully evicted from their land. I don't care how the other Arab nations treated them, I don't care that maybe they weren't an "official" country.........they still got assfucked off their land. Now don't get me wrong, I also find it ironic that these muslim nations take up the cause of the palestinians so quickly yet they treated them like shit. That's not lost on me. I know full well that the underlying cause of all this bullshit is religion. The muslims do not like a powerful "non-muslim" state living amongst them. And yes you are correct about the way they view the west. But that view started because of our meddling in their affairs. Now the whole region is polarized against us. But I just don't see them continuing to attack us if we leave them alone. Because right now they feel as if they HAVE to attack us, and the inevitable consequences are worth it. Remember, the U.S cannot go "too far" in it's response to terrorism because we risk alienating the rest of the world. If we stop messing around in middle eastern affairs and we STILL get attacked, than we really do have a green light to fuck people up........and I'm not talking about strategic bombing, I'm talking full scale annihilation. The rest of the world will not be able to say anything to us either.

BPB, I agree, damn good post. Wfab, Stumpy, I agree with both of your viewpoints.