We need to leave Israel alone!

[BigPhysicsBastard]

If Israel nuked anybody they'd get the fallout.....and they know it. THey just use it as an "ace"....but in actuality they can't use them. And militarily they are more technologically advanced than the arab countries around them. But if a "U.S unapposed" war happens between Israel and the rest of the arab countries in the Mid-east........Israel would be routed badly in a conventional war. Of course they'd take down a shit load of arabs with them, but it would turn into a numbers game....once which they can't compete against. No, they DESPERATELY need the spector of U.S support.........we're the only thing that has stood in the way of the arab nations dogpiling Israel.

 

[MoneyBags]

in a conventional war israel would easily destroy all its surrounding countries easily. read some history on israel. it wouldnt be the first time the arab countries tried to take on israel all at once.

 

[thebabydoc]

BigPhysMoron:

Ever hear of the Yom Kippur (6-day) War? The Arabs ganged up on the holiest day in the Jewish calendar and staged an all-out "surprise attack". They got their asses kicked so badly than the state of Israel grew its borders like 10%. The Israelis stopped only because of the US.

Just say no to crack, dude.

 

[BigPhysicsBastard]

you're right bd, Israel did whup some ass during the 6th day war............but it wasn't against the combined forces of ALL the arab nations......not even close dude. If I'm not mistaken the main opposition to Israel during the 6 day war was egypt. Now consider the same scenarion today........you have Iran, Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Libya.......and if need be, every able bodied muslim male responding to a "jihad".........dude, Israel would HAVE to use nukes. How many MILLIONS of people could the arabs throw against Israel??? I don't care how much more advanced Israel is, it might have been different 30-40 years ago, but the arab countries won't be coming in on horseback anymore. My point is further backed up by the fact that Israel doesn't hold thier tongue when it comes to telling the rest of the Arab world that they will use nukes if they have to. Why would they do that if they "supposedly" are able to wipe out the whole middle east in a conventional war???

by the way, you're an ass............the first sign of a defeat is resorting to childish name calling.........you couldn't even be witty either, that's pathetic!!

 

[Mikel fikel]

if we supported bin laden in the past and now we want to kill him who cares? it suited us back then to help him and now it suits us to kill him. we do whats best for us. im sure the day will come when we are killing off the northern alliance. thats perfectly fine with me. we do what we need to do at the time we need to do it.

It's that attitude that got you into this shit in the first place LEARN FROM YOUR MISTAKES

 

[danielson]

BigPhysMoron:

Ever hear of the Yom Kippur (6-day) War? The Arabs ganged up on the holiest day in the Jewish calendar and staged an all-out "surprise attack". They got their asses kicked so badly than the state of Israel grew its borders like 10%. The Israelis stopped only because of the US.

Just say no to crack, dude.

do some research, i dont mean this as a flame

the israelis would won because of the US. while this does not detract from the efforts of the soldiers that fought in a war no-one thought they could win, Israel would not have been created without US/British help. im not saying these events should or shoulnt have happened but im sure many in your country feel its kinda a 'bite the hand that feeds you' situation. Dont forget paying the Israelis for military technology benfits israel financially too. do you really think that america is in desperate need iof technology with their R&D budget? The israelis do have V.good health research im told which is pretty damn good considering

of course even though it was with support of the US, the 6-day warwas really a kick in the balls to the arabs. Irael really achieved a lot their, they like doubled the size of their country even if it was just desert, most people didnt thinkn they could pull it off but that was really a resounding defeat. the arabs had soviet defence help, hell they even built them a state of the ary radar base which the isrelis managed to take out without the egyptians realising

 

[MoneyBags]

It's that attitude that got you into this shit in the first place LEARN FROM YOUR MISTAKES

it wasnt a mistake.

also, danielson, if the united states cut off ties and had no involvement israel would win independently at this point. united states helped in the past and israel is now powerful enough independently to take care of the arabs.

israel could defeat the entire arab world simultaneously. every stupid ass arab coming for a jihad would be massacred. and the UN better keep its fucking mouth shut while its happening. the UN is such a piece of shit organization.

 

[Wfabrizio]

The Israeli's for sure have a good military establishment, but be honest, almost all of their equipment is from the USA. How many arab countries have F-16's and much much more US military hardware like the Israeli's? Military technology and training is a key part in military victories. Without the sale of this equipment to Israel, they would be using the exact same hardware as the arabs, old and outdated Soviet crap. That would level the playing field to a large degree.

 

[Wombat]

Wombat...what a complete moron. Don't let facts get in the way of your opinion, ok?

Read moneybags' post. Simple facts.

We (the US) have REPEATEDLY held back the Israelis in their defensive/offensive strikes and made them return land or stop advances.

We (the US) have REPEATEDLY forced the Israelis back to the negotiating table with ignorant, terrorist Palestenians who time and again VIOLATE terms of cease fires and peace agreements.
We (the US) have REPEATEDLY purchased military technology and hardware from the Israelis.

Israel can and will toast the entire Middle East when the US withdraws, trust me on this. I welcome it as do the Israelis. Do you really really believe they are still around because of the US? They are probably the 3rd or 4th most powerful military power in the world. Do you realize that virtually every citizen is enlisted in the military forces and ALL have served. Where do you buy your crack?

Please tell me your kidding me----They are the 4th most powerful military power because of the u.s and britain---Where do you think they got there weapons from. Who trained them how to fly there planes? They can have all the military power in the world but when it comes down to it and a major war happens near their soil--There country is the size of a postage stamp---How many nukes would it take to wipe out their whole country---A nuke wouldn't even have to hit there country but come close and the fallout would be massive.

Your right they do have the power to do major damage to surrounding countries---But the U.S. is not giving them a missile defense system because of the damage that they can do but because of the damage that can be done to them. When so many people live in a small area, it becomes that much easier to do so much more damage.

Hell 10 years ago more Israels were injured by scud missiles then u.s and britain soldiers were during the whole war.

 

[MoneyBags]

the two of you dont seem to understand what im saying. yes the united states helped israel build up the military and were vital in israels survivial. however, now if america backed off and gave israel nothing else israel would be able to destroy the arab countries. the arab countries are all poor as shit and poorly run. israel would love to have the opportunity to go to town on them. i figure they will eventually.