Virginity -religion aside

[healother]

As most EF peeps know, I'm a virgin (for religious reasons). And I've been strongly encouraged by many on here to loser my virginity, and been told that religious laws dont apply to sex anymore.

Anyway, I wanted to have a discussion about virginity without religion being involved, so here it goes:

Obvious many people do indeed care about the number of people their partner has banged. Whores tend to be less preferred in general. Ive also heard virgins sometimes are less preferred. But some also say that a person who keeps their virginity by choice is cool, and has something special to give to the first person they have sex with.

Lets get real now, I'm 22. I've kept my virginity for this long, if I gave it up now, wouldnt I be a loser, since all my years of remaining a virgin at youth would have gone to waste? I mean I might as well save it so that I can marry another virgin chick, and we can be special for each other right?

I tend to believe in extremes. Either soak up all the sex you can and be completely saturated with hotties in your pants, or be a virgin, like a pure diamond, and the desire of every woman who wants to take your v-card.

If I just pick the middle of the road, and have sex now with a couple chicks, what do I have to gain? I'll have missed out on both the good extremes.

 

[hotzie]

dude go get some pussy. look at all the priest that dont .....they rape little boys. religous law ...fuck that.

 

[OMEGA]

I strongly believe in the less partners you have the Better........

never bought into the "living it up life style"

freind first then kissing and stuff like that, date, meet the family then evolve together

thats my true opinion


its like Swans they mate for life

http://www.sygnetswans.com/Sygswjo_Heart-Swans.JPG

 

[rocky_road]

As most EF peeps know, I'm a virgin (for religious reasons). And I've been strongly encouraged by many on here to loser my virginity, and been told that religious laws dont apply to sex anymore.

Anyway, I wanted to have a discussion about virginity without religion being involved, so here it goes:

Obvious many people do indeed care about the number of people their partner has banged. Whores tend to be less preferred in general. Ive also heard virgins sometimes are less preferred. But some also say that a person who keeps their virginity by choice is cool, and has something special to give to the first person they have sex with.

Lets get real now, I'm 22. I've kept my virginity for this long, if I gave it up now, wouldnt I be a loser, since all my years of remaining a virgin at youth would have gone to waste? I mean I might as well save it so that I can marry another virgin chick, and we can be special for each other right?

I tend to believe in extremes. Either soak up all the sex you can and be completely saturated with hotties in your pants, or be a virgin, like a pure diamond, and the desire of every woman who wants to take your v-card.

If I just pick the middle of the road, and have sex now with a couple chicks, what do I have to gain? I'll have missed out on both the good extremes.

You're "unique", don't give that up so quickly. We don't meet very many male virgins these days. However I think that if the reason you marry someone is strongly influenced by you both being virgins, then you've put too much weight into that element.

 

[healother]

I strongly believe in the less partners you have the Better........

never bought into the "living it up life style"

freind first then kissing and stuff like that, date, meet the family then evolve together

thats my true opinion


its like Swans they mate for life

http://www.sygnetswans.com/Sygswjo_Heart-Swans.JPG

yeah, i really think the whole gradual physical relationship is the way to go. I mean i dont understand the guys that are sexing women they havent even kissed yet.
Good to see someone who thinks the same way.

So are swans the one of the only animals that mate for life? I'm pretty sure others do too, right?

You're "unique", don't give that up so quickly. We don't meet very many male virgins these days. However I think that if the reason you marry someone is strongly influenced by you both being virgins, then you've put too much weight into that element.

I dont know yet if I'll make virginity a requirement in the female partner that I marry. I'd prefer to meet someone with a similar number of sexual experiences as me. And I know there are some women out there that are virgins and want male virgins too. I'm only 22 yrs old though, when i'm older finding virgins will be harder.

 

[PWTurbofan]

dude go get some pussy. look at all the priest that dont .....they rape little boys. religous law ...fuck that.

 

[paradox]

As most EF peeps know, I'm a virgin (for religious reasons). And I've been strongly encouraged by many on here to loser my virginity, and been told that religious laws dont apply to sex anymore.

Anyway, I wanted to have a discussion about virginity without religion being involved, so here it goes:

Obvious many people do indeed care about the number of people their partner has banged. Whores tend to be less preferred in general. Ive also heard virgins sometimes are less preferred. But some also say that a person who keeps their virginity by choice is cool, and has something special to give to the first person they have sex with.

Lets get real now, I'm 22. I've kept my virginity for this long, if I gave it up now, wouldnt I be a loser, since all my years of remaining a virgin at youth would have gone to waste? I mean I might as well save it so that I can marry another virgin chick, and we can be special for each other right?

I tend to believe in extremes. Either soak up all the sex you can and be completely saturated with hotties in your pants, or be a virgin, like a pure diamond, and the desire of every woman who wants to take your v-card.

If I just pick the middle of the road, and have sex now with a couple chicks, what do I have to gain? I'll have missed out on both the good extremes.

Are you sure your keeping your virginity by choice? If you have the will power to turn down hot ass then more power to ya brother.

 

[bigmann245]

As most EF peeps know, I'm a virgin (for religious reasons). And I've been strongly encouraged by many on here to loser my virginity, and been told that religious laws dont apply to sex anymore.

Anyway, I wanted to have a discussion about virginity without religion being involved, so here it goes:

Obvious many people do indeed care about the number of people their partner has banged. Whores tend to be less preferred in general. Ive also heard virgins sometimes are less preferred. But some also say that a person who keeps their virginity by choice is cool, and has something special to give to the first person they have sex with.

Lets get real now, I'm 22. I've kept my virginity for this long, if I gave it up now, wouldnt I be a loser, since all my years of remaining a virgin at youth would have gone to waste? I mean I might as well save it so that I can marry another virgin chick, and we can be special for each other right?

I tend to believe in extremes. Either soak up all the sex you can and be completely saturated with hotties in your pants, or be a virgin, like a pure diamond, and the desire of every woman who wants to take your v-card.

If I just pick the middle of the road, and have sex now with a couple chicks, what do I have to gain? I'll have missed out on both the good extremes.

bro do what YOU FEEL AND NOBODY ELSE cause thats whats going to matter. most guys on here are going to tell you to get laid, get pussy your a fag, etc etc.... dont listen to them just do what you feel you should. if you find someone speacial and you feel you should then go for it. if you want to save it and give it to "the one" then do that just dont be pressured into doing something you will regret cause you didnt make the decision and did it because everyone else told you to.

your the one that will have to live with the decision not them.

 

[redsamurai]

get into a relationship with a woman you care about and for gods sake.....HAVE SEX WITH HER!! If it doesnt' work out.....at least you come away BETTER than if you hadn't been with her at all. This is called an ADULT relationship. Unfortunately too many of us have forgotten that because of MTV inspired dating habits. I don't have sex with alot of women........every now and then when the opportunity presents itself and the urge is there, I'll go ahead and have sex with someone I might not have the day before. But it's always' unfullfilling. Bro.....I understand you're waiting for your soulmate......but if you don't get into relationships you'll not recognize her when she shows up. Relationships, as painful as they can be.....are stepping stones. After each relationship you sit back and analyze why you got in the relationship in the first place.....why it went wrong, and what should you look for in the future. You can't know what you want out of a woman if you wait. Here's what's going to happen to you bro.....you're going to fall for the first virgin you meat.....you'll get married on the precept of both of you being virgins.....yeah!! we're pure in the eyes of GOD!!! 5 years later the two of you will have grown so far apart that you can't stand the site of her. Everyone keeps growing in life......if you meet someone at the bottom of the mountain, there's too long a way to go to the top......and the two of you will most likely not take the same path and "grow together". If you meet at the top.....both of you are pretty much set in your ways and then life will be that much sweeter. Look at it this way......every relationship is another whittle off the carving......after a while.....you have the whole sculpture and you know precisely that what you are looking for. Only life experience can guide you on this. And that's what religion is trying to take away from you......your own life path......the life experiences that shape who and what we are. Life is about your own spiritual journey......not what someone else tells you.....and certainly not some book written 2006 years ago.

 

[Nobledude]

As most EF peeps know, I'm a virgin (for religious reasons). And I've been strongly encouraged by many on here to loser my virginity, and been told that religious laws dont apply to sex anymore.

Anyway, I wanted to have a discussion about virginity without religion being involved, so here it goes:

Obvious many people do indeed care about the number of people their partner has banged. Whores tend to be less preferred in general. Ive also heard virgins sometimes are less preferred. But some also say that a person who keeps their virginity by choice is cool, and has something special to give to the first person they have sex with.

Lets get real now, I'm 22. I've kept my virginity for this long, if I gave it up now, wouldnt I be a loser, since all my years of remaining a virgin at youth would have gone to waste? I mean I might as well save it so that I can marry another virgin chick, and we can be special for each other right?

I tend to believe in extremes. Either soak up all the sex you can and be completely saturated with hotties in your pants, or be a virgin, like a pure diamond, and the desire of every woman who wants to take your v-card.

If I just pick the middle of the road, and have sex now with a couple chicks, what do I have to gain? I'll have missed out on both the good extremes.

WTF? for real...?did u ever spank the monkey? I gave you so many reasons..see boob threads and such..

 

[Tweakle]

years from now you'll look back on this and wonder why the hell you didn't get some teenage ass while it was still on the menu. And college ass too, it's all slipping by you as you waste your life on EF. Tight little booties start to sag as they hit their late 20's and by the time you finally get a taste of it those once perky teenage titties will be looking all National Geographic.

but on the plus side you probably won't ever need a doc to burn anything off your mint condition pee-pee, so I say stay home and try to clock up another thousand posts

 

[Sub-Zero]

As most EF peeps know, I'm a virgin (for religious reasons). And I've been strongly encouraged by many on here to loser my virginity, and been told that religious laws dont apply to sex anymore.

Anyway, I wanted to have a discussion about virginity without religion being involved, so here it goes:

Obvious many people do indeed care about the number of people their partner has banged. Whores tend to be less preferred in general. Ive also heard virgins sometimes are less preferred. But some also say that a person who keeps their virginity by choice is cool, and has something special to give to the first person they have sex with.

Lets get real now, I'm 22. I've kept my virginity for this long, if I gave it up now, wouldnt I be a loser, since all my years of remaining a virgin at youth would have gone to waste? I mean I might as well save it so that I can marry another virgin chick, and we can be special for each other right?

I tend to believe in extremes. Either soak up all the sex you can and be completely saturated with hotties in your pants, or be a virgin, like a pure diamond, and the desire of every woman who wants to take your v-card.

If I just pick the middle of the road, and have sex now with a couple chicks, what do I have to gain? I'll have missed out on both the good extremes.

sex is overrated, but with that, so is saving it when you feel like you wanna lose it.

if you have found someone u wanan do it with, do it. just be safe and have fun, and dont expect too much out of it.

you can have sex without being a whore and being irresponsible

 

[Sub-Zero]

bro do what YOU FEEL AND NOBODY ELSE cause thats whats going to matter. most guys on here are going to tell you to get laid, get pussy your a fag, etc etc.... dont listen to them just do what you feel you should. if you find someone speacial and you feel you should then go for it. if you want to save it and give it to "the one" then do that just dont be pressured into doing something you will regret cause you didnt make the decision and did it because everyone else told you to.

your the one that will have to live with the decision not them.

i think this is what i meant to say

 

[Bikini Mod]

You have to do what pleases you and not simply go along with something because others think it is cool whether we are talking having sex or abstinence. It is YOUR body afterall. You should share it with whomever you deem worthy. Having said that, I honestly dont get what is "so cool" about only ever having been intimate with one person your whole life. I mean if both peeps are happy with that = GREAT. But there is a wholelotta sex to be had between one and one hundred partners. Do you get what I am saying?

No need to go to extremes.

IMHO sex is a GIFT to be shared between two mutually consenting adults.

 

[Lestat]

At some point it is respected, at another point it just makes people feel weird and creepy. Imagine a chick in her mid 20s who has slept with 2-3 dudes, then meets you. You would make her feel like a slut for one, and she'd be put into the role of teacher, which a lot of women don't like. The man should be the take charge and dominant one in bed, but how would you be able to do that with no experience is what she is thinking.

All religious reasons aside, I feel you should just do what feels right. If you start dating a woman seriously and exclusively, I would think you'd feel some desire, or pressure, or both to have sex with her after a few months at the most. If it felt right, go for it, no need to hold out. You never know, one girl you date may end up being your wife.

 

[bigmann245]

At some point it is respected, at another point it just makes people feel weird and creepy. Imagine a chick in her mid 20s who has slept with 2-3 dudes, then meets you. You would make her feel like a slut for one, and she'd be put into the role of teacher, which a lot of women don't like. The man should be the take charge and dominant one in bed, but how would you be able to do that with no experience is what she is thinking.

All religious reasons aside, I feel you should just do what feels right. If you start dating a woman seriously and exclusively, I would think you'd feel some desire, or pressure, or both to have sex with her after a few months at the most. If it felt right, go for it, no need to hold out. You never know, one girl you date may end up being your wife.

i dont agree with that. my first time i was 17 and the girl was younger but she was more experienced. how experienced i dont and didnt care cause all my friends were having sex since they were like 13 and put a lot of pressure on me to just do it so i did. but SHE taught me things and i learned a lot and surprised her when it lasted about 30 minutes. she actually thought i lied about it being my first time. but thats besides the point. i dont think it matters who's "dominant" in bed. at leased not to me anyway.

 

[Wulfgar]

Your putting the pussy up on a pedestal

 

[Rabid_Goose]

Your putting the pussy up on a pedestal

That's like the second time I've heard that. Wtf does it even mean! lol


Anywho, I don't rate a person on how many they had sex with, to do so is close minded I think. I rate them on how skanky the person they had sex with. Sex is a pleasureable experience and is nothing at all sacred, least to me. Other people see it as some Holy thing they need to keep only for certain people. If you see it like that, do it.

If you're holding onto it because you think you would be a loser after falling off your V-wagon at 22, then that is crazy, man. Sex is great, I was a virgin till 19, and married the girl I had sex with. She didn't like having to be the one I learned with. I imagine a woman at 25-26 defintly will not like it.

 

[CrazyRussian]

Yeah...call me a sacrilegious bastard but I don't see sex as something that is "sacred" and "should be saved". Instead, I see it as a very enjoyable activity (mentally, physically) that I'd do as often as I had the chance to.

 

[CrazyRussian]

Also, life is way too short (not to mention sex is only good within a certain period of that short life) to neglect one of your primal needs because you want it to be special. I think after a few times it gets to be pretty much the same thing anyways, so the thrill comes not only in just doing it but in doing it with someone new.

 

[OMEGA]

yeah, i really think the whole gradual physical relationship is the way to go. I mean i dont understand the guys that are sexing women they havent even kissed yet.
Good to see someone who thinks the same way.

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I think people have been duped, and are tircked into treateing people as objects, some say its evil, some say its simply the cosumer culture we have....
I belive Evil exists and can influence people if they dont fight back....
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So are swans the one of the only animals that mate for life? I'm pretty sure others do too, right?

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lots of Species mate for Life
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I dont know yet if I'll make virginity a requirement in the female partner that I marry. .
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keep your side of the fence clean do what you know is good
and listen to it as if it were a life saver.........
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[OMEGA]

years from now you'll look back on this and wonder why the hell you didn't get some teenage ass while it was still on the menu. And college ass too,

thats a bunch of bullshit..........

no offense...

I passed that point and am VERY happy I only made a handfull of mistakes

 

[foreigngirl]

That's like the second time I've heard that. Wtf does it even mean! lol

putting it on a throne, giving it too much significance

 

[Deleted member 33117]

I tend to agree that he is making too much out of this. The Catholic priest example is a good one. Suppressing one's sexually is unnatural and very emotionally healthy in the long run. Sooner or later everyone has to have an outlet for that pent up sexual energy and fustration.

 

[foreigngirl]

I tend to agree that he is making too much out of this. The Catholic priest example is a good one. Suppressing one's sexually is unnatural and very emotionally healthy in the long run. Sooner or later everyone has to have an outlet for that pent up sexual energy and fustration.

the ONLY thing I am worried about is that there is hardly any virgin girls left from age, lets say 18 and up (I know they start having sex way before that)

 

[alien amp pharm]

Just remember, most people who brag about banging chicks left and right are usually full of shit and/or have more std's than I have fingers.

You are trying to allow people to influence you. That's the worst mistake you can make. Let them live their lives their way and you live your your way.

Growing up I use to try to be like other people, only to find out that they are more fucked up and have more problems than I did. Now I couldn't be happier living for myself and being who I am.

 

[alien amp pharm]

Oh and remember, typically the more you do OPPOSITE of everyone else, the better off you are.

Don't follow the herd.

 

[jackangel]

lol at fg not getting the 40YOV reference. ah, it could happen. don't mind me.

but fyxgel, i just don't think your reasons are built on foundations of air.

i can understand being a person of extremes...but the way you look at this is odd. for example, it doesn't make any sense to me to ask what you gain by being with just 2 women, for example. obviously, you're gaining the chance to be with 2 people that you hopefully care about, or even love. or at the least, enjoy.

and this notion of holding onto something just to be unique and different...is extremely dubious. i can understand wanting to be different, but only in a "better" way. in others ways, i want to be the same and feel like i belong to the rest of the world. being different in a way that doesn't help you or make you better, but denies you a lot of fun or potential happiness, that isn't a good kind of different.

so you have to determine if it really is good for you, or if it makes you a person of higher character. maybe it does. but that's tricky, as it's pretty much all in your mind.

 

[foreigngirl]

lol at fg not getting the 40YOV reference. ah, it could happen. don't mind me.

what?

 

[Frisky]

If you find someone you really care for, someone you plan on spending your life with... nothing wrong with it. Marriage is a man made thing, Who says you have to appear before another mortal to vow oath to someone else. If you vow to be loyal to that person, your word is your word. I see you really put this on high standards, and for that I applaude you, (in a good way) I didn't lose my virginity until I was a 18 and it was after being with someone for a long time. Don't do it just to do it, but if indeed it does happen, don't think less of yourself for it. You can give yourself to someone without a paper saying so, as long as you are honest and truthful...

 

[Bikini Mod]

True story: one of the things I like to ask people about in the process of getting to know them is about their "first time"; meaning the loss of their virginity. I generally hear funny stories of two totally nervous and clueless young kids fumbling around in the dark. It makes me feel "more human" to share in that in some way as I was not allowed to decide the privilige of saving myself for anyone special or to just "lose it for the sake of losing it". Any sexual quirks I have are a result of the fact that I was not in control. To this day even though I am in a healthy and very committed, loving marriage and I am more than experienced, I feel more comfortable as the sexual aggressor.

I will reiterate my earlier sentiments. You have to do what feels right for you. You are NOT going to hell if you do not remain chaste until your wedding night. That is plain crazy. But if you feel THAT strongly about saving yourself for your wife then stick to it.

Also, I am pretty sure that you know of the concept of secondary virginity.... right?

 

[billfred]

Take it from an old married guy - you need to get as much of that stuff early on as you can digest.

I am not trying to say you should become a player or something but, though sex may get much better for woman as they get older, it goes down hill for men. You don't want to meet the girl of your dreams, marry her, and 7 years later start thinking what sex is like with someone else.

Get that figured out now......

 

[Bikini Mod]

Take it from an old married guy - you need to get as much of that stuff early on as you can digest.

I am not trying to say you should become a player or something but, though sex may get much better for woman as they get older, it goes down hill for men. You don't want to meet the girl of your dreams, marry her, and 7 years later start thinking what sex is like with someone else.

Get that figured out now......

Listen to this man. He makes A LOT of sense.

 

[p0ink]

well, at least you dont have to sweat it out while you wait for the results from a blood test. even when you know you have been a 'good boy' you still stress for a few days waiting for that phone call.

not just that, but it seems like everything you happen to see on TV, read in the paper, or hear on the radio involves HIV / AIDS. the whole time you are like, 'oh my god, is this a sign? everything else has been going so great lately...is this going to be what balances everything out?...'

then you have a nice conversation with the girls you have slept with in the past few months and tell them if anything happens to you, they better get their ass into the witness protection program, because you would rather die from a bullet than a nasty bitch.

then you get the phone call and realize everything is fine.

repeat this every 6 months.

 

[Bikini Mod]

well, at least you dont have to sweat it out while you wait for the results from a blood test. even when you know you have been a 'good boy' you still stress for a few days waiting for that phone call.

not just that, but it seems like everything you happen to see on TV, read in the paper, or hear on the radio involves HIV / AIDS. the whole time you are like, 'oh my god, is this a sign? everything else has been going so great lately...is this going to be what balances everything out?...'

then you have a nice conversation with the girls you have slept with in the past few months and tell them if anything happens to you, they better get their ass into the witness protection program, because you would rather die from a bullet than a nasty bitch.

then you get the phone call and realize everything is fine.

repeat this every 6 months.

Not to say that STD's are not real and that abstinence isnt THE ONLY form of 100% reliable protection against disease and pregnancy because THEY ARE. However to make statements like those above are sort of alarmist, dont you think?

Good Lord - have you ever heard of condoms?

 

[p0ink]

Not to say that STD's are not real and that abstinence isnt THE ONLY form of 100% reliable protection against disease and pregnancy because THEY ARE. However to make statements like those above are sort of alarmist, dont you think?

Good Lord - have you ever heard of condoms?

as my friend would say, 'condoms? i havent used those since the mid 90's'.

but seriously, i dont stress like i used to. i have been with the same girl now for approaching 2 years. i've never gotten so much as a blip on any of my tests for anything, so unless she goes out and fucks a crack dealing, hemophiliac, intravenous drug-using, bisexual prostitute i should be alright.

 

[Bikini Mod]

as my friend would say, 'condoms? i havent used those since the mid 90's'.

but seriously, i dont stress like i used to. i have been with the same girl now for approaching 2 years. i've never gotten so much as a blip on any of my tests for anything, so unless she goes out and fucks a crack dealing, hemophiliac, intravenous drug-using, bisexual prostitute i should be alright.

Therein lies the problem. Condoms are not "fun" for anyone but they are much better than not using them considering all the shit that can crawl up into someone from the 500 other people they slept with (even if they only slept with one other person once - you have just slept with every other person that has ever had sex with them or their partners before you).

STD's are also spread by oral sex so it is always a gamble.

 

[ponyfitness]

I don't care about being a virgin but I would advise you to not marry somebody you haven't had sex with. Even with your beliefs, physical compatibility is a HUGE part of any relationship even if you have been suppressing it for many years. It's a matter possibly for you of finding someone you feel you could spend your life with and then finding out if the emotional/spiritual compatibility is the same as the physical - then you have your ideal woman. You get married and have that relationship and then find out you don't like them physically? You're screwed and you'll be more tempted to get into other relationships or resent the relationship and have a dysfunctional family.

Good luck finding ANY woman in their 20's who is a virgin though. That's got to be maybe 1% of the population unless they are highly religious or highly unattractive.

 

[OMEGA]

Take it from someone who knows people of success
- you DO NOT 'need' to get as much of that stuff early on as you can digest.

the people of success I know both Professional and Spiritual live lives like you want to live HealOther.......

simple as this:

dont use people as an object for pleasure only
dont lie to them to get a pleasure
dont be "tricked" to living it up or you will be lived up......trust me........

 

[Bikini Mod]

Take it from someone who knows people of success
- you DO NOT 'need' to get as much of that stuff early on as you can digest.

the people of success I know both Professional and Spiritual live lives like you want to live HealOther.......

Really? I didnt know very many successfull men that were virgins when they married or who had been with say 3 women in their lives. If these men that you speak of are say, 22 I might believe it but how professionally succesfull are the majority of 22 y/os?

And no the pope and the dahli lama dont count.

 

[p0ink]

I don't care about being a virgin but I would advise you to not marry somebody you haven't had sex with. Even with your beliefs, physical compatibility is a HUGE part of any relationship even if you have been suppressing it for many years. It's a matter possibly for you of finding someone you feel you could spend your life with and then finding out if the emotional/spiritual compatibility is the same as the physical - then you have your ideal woman. You get married and have that relationship and then find out you don't like them physically? You're screwed and you'll be more tempted to get into other relationships or resent the relationship and have a dysfunctional family.

Good luck finding ANY woman in their 20's who is a virgin though. That's got to be maybe 1% of the population unless they are highly religious or highly unattractive.

yeah, most girls today under the age of 25 have only one goal in life - being in Girls Gone Wild.

 

[Bikini Mod]

yeah, most girls today under the age of 25 have only one goal in life - being in Girls Gone Wild.

Please tell me that you are exaggerating.

Seriously, at what number does a male or female (dont give me this double standard bullshit because believe it or not there are places where this does NOT apply) become "a slut"?

I have NEVER cared how many sexual partners a man has had before he met me. Matter of fact it creeped me out if he wasnt fairly well experienced as I never found young men to be attractive.

"I dont care that I am not your first. All I care about is that I am your last."

Works both ways for my husband and me.

 

[p0ink]

Please tell me that you are exaggerating.

Seriously, at what number does a male or female (dont give me this double standard bullshit because believe it or not there are places where this does NOT apply) become "a slut"?

I have NEVER cared how many sexual partners a man has had before he met me. Matter of fact it creeped me out if he wasnt fairly well experienced as I never found young men to be attractive.

"I dont care that I am not your first. All I care about is that I am your last."

Works both ways for my husband and me.

so you're telling me most girls dont want to be in Girls Gone Wild? you obviously havent been out on the campus bar scene.

it's quite disturbing.

in fact, i take that back. it's fucking amazing. why? because i am amazed that some girl would do some pretty outlandish and embarrassing things that could posibbly kill a career before it even started, just so they can get attention from random guys or a free t-shirt from some pervert with a camera.

call me sexist, but girls are pretty stupid sometimes.

 

[Bikini Mod]

so you're telling me most girls dont want to be in Girls Gone Wild? you obviously havent been out on the campus bar scene.

it's quite disturbing.

in fact, i take that back. it's fucking amazing. why? because i am amazed that some girl would do some pretty outlandish and embarrassing things that could posibbly kill a career before it even started, just so they can get attention from random guys or a free t-shirt from some pervert with a camera.

call me sexist, but girls are pretty stupid sometimes.

*gasp*

Perhaps I have been sheltered but other than raising my kids then busting my ass struggling to support us, then trying to maintain some sort of life during the nightmare - I was not aware.

I am not being glib.

You wonder why I am so frightened for my own daughters? I can see two of them headed right down this path: my oldest and the third. Both are stunningly beautiful (especially my third) and are making VERY bad decisions with NO good role model whatsoever and very little supervisions essentially raising themselves.

I honestly thought this was some sort of exaggeration. I didnt know that MANY young women actually behaved this way as if it was "no big deal".

But I supposed being in the position I am in currently, if I think about it too much then I will lose what little sanity I have left.

 

[healother]

Are you sure your keeping your virginity by choice? If you have the will power to turn down hot ass then more power to ya brother.

I havent turned down hot ass yet, just a couple average girls with ugly personalities. (yes a chick has tried coming onto me before)
its tough to say whether i'd crack under temptation or not with a hottie, because i am fairly shy person so i dont really get to know hot women well that often, and i've never had a g/f yet.

but i'd like to believe im doing this by choice.

bro do what YOU FEEL AND NOBODY ELSE cause thats whats going to matter. most guys on here are going to tell you to get laid, get pussy your a fag, etc etc.... dont listen to them just do what you feel you should. if you find someone speacial and you feel you should then go for it. if you want to save it and give it to "the one" then do that just dont be pressured into doing something you will regret cause you didnt make the decision and did it because everyone else told you to.

your the one that will have to live with the decision not them.

yeah, it sucks hanging around on a board where every is obsessed with pussy and im trying to stay a virgin. i feel like it creates a rift between me and the board members (and my friends in real life who think im crazy to stay virgin, etc) but staying true to myself is more important. i just wish people on boards like these werent just constantly telling me to give it up, etc.

get into a relationship with a woman you care about and for gods sake.....HAVE SEX WITH HER!! If it doesnt' work out.....at least you come away BETTER than if you hadn't been with her at all. This is called an ADULT relationship. Unfortunately too many of us have forgotten that because of MTV inspired dating habits. I don't have sex with alot of women........every now and then when the opportunity presents itself and the urge is there, I'll go ahead and have sex with someone I might not have the day before. But it's always' unfullfilling. Bro.....I understand you're waiting for your soulmate......but if you don't get into relationships you'll not recognize her when she shows up. Relationships, as painful as they can be.....are stepping stones. After each relationship you sit back and analyze why you got in the relationship in the first place.....why it went wrong, and what should you look for in the future. You can't know what you want out of a woman if you wait. Here's what's going to happen to you bro.....you're going to fall for the first virgin you meat.....you'll get married on the precept of both of you being virgins.....yeah!! we're pure in the eyes of GOD!!! 5 years later the two of you will have grown so far apart that you can't stand the site of her. Everyone keeps growing in life......if you meet someone at the bottom of the mountain, there's too long a way to go to the top......and the two of you will most likely not take the same path and "grow together". If you meet at the top.....both of you are pretty much set in your ways and then life will be that much sweeter. Look at it this way......every relationship is another whittle off the carving......after a while.....you have the whole sculpture and you know precisely that what you are looking for. Only life experience can guide you on this. And that's what religion is trying to take away from you......your own life path......the life experiences that shape who and what we are. Life is about your own spiritual journey......not what someone else tells you.....and certainly not some book written 2006 years ago.

hold the phone here, isnt it possible to be in a relationship with a woman without having sex? Isnt it possible to gain relationship experience without having sex?

WTF? for real...?did u ever spank the monkey? I gave you so many reasons..see boob threads and such..

for real
and yeah, i spank the monkey.

years from now you'll look back on this and wonder why the hell you didn't get some teenage ass while it was still on the menu. And college ass too, it's all slipping by you as you waste your life on EF. Tight little booties start to sag as they hit their late 20's and by the time you finally get a taste of it those once perky teenage titties will be looking all National Geographic.

but on the plus side you probably won't ever need a doc to burn anything off your mint condition pee-pee, so I say stay home and try to clock up another thousand posts

thats the one thing, i know all the young tight asses are walking away, and the longer i wait the less the chance i will get of tapping it, so you better believe that pisses me off.

oh, and if i ever have sex before marriage, believe me im going to wrap it, get her tested, take precautions, etc. there is no f***in way im going to end up with a childsupport check or an STD.

sex is overrated, but with that, so is saving it when you feel like you wanna lose it.
if you have found someone u wanan do it with, do it. just be safe and have fun, and dont expect too much out of it.
you can have sex without being a whore and being irresponsible

i hear you, thanks for the shared words.

You have to do what pleases you and not simply go along with something because others think it is cool whether we are talking having sex or abstinence. It is YOUR body afterall. You should share it with whomever you deem worthy. Having said that, I honestly dont get what is "so cool" about only ever having been intimate with one person your whole life. I mean if both peeps are happy with that = GREAT. But there is a wholelotta sex to be had between one and one hundred partners. Do you get what I am saying?

No need to go to extremes.

IMHO sex is a GIFT to be shared between two mutually consenting adults.

i dont understand what is so cool about virginity either. thats why i made this thread. the reason i dont have sex is primarily due to religion, but i just figured id throw other ideas out there, like the idea of being pure and stuff like that.

At some point it is respected, at another point it just makes people feel weird and creepy. Imagine a chick in her mid 20s who has slept with 2-3 dudes, then meets you. You would make her feel like a slut for one, and she'd be put into the role of teacher, which a lot of women don't like. The man should be the take charge and dominant one in bed, but how would you be able to do that with no experience is what she is thinking.

All religious reasons aside, I feel you should just do what feels right. If you start dating a woman seriously and exclusively, I would think you'd feel some desire, or pressure, or both to have sex with her after a few months at the most. If it felt right, go for it, no need to hold out. You never know, one girl you date may end up being your wife.

i have no problem trying to be the dominant one, but i hate being corrected. like this one time where i didnt know how to swing dance, but i ran out on the floor anyone and picked a random chick and threw her around a little. she got pissed and then taught me some moves off to the side afterwards, LOL. It was weird.
If I do have sex before marriage, I think it would do it more than to just find who might be a good wife. I'd probably do it if I thought the opportunity was worth it, yes if there was a really hot chick, i might do it, IF I knew she was clean and that it'd be safe. I wouldnt restrict it to just women i was in a long term relationship with. but as of now i dont believe that decision is mine to make.

That's like the second time I've heard that. Wtf does it even mean! lol


Anywho, I don't rate a person on how many they had sex with, to do so is close minded I think. I rate them on how skanky the person they had sex with. Sex is a pleasureable experience and is nothing at all sacred, least to me. Other people see it as some Holy thing they need to keep only for certain people. If you see it like that, do it.

If you're holding onto it because you think you would be a loser after falling off your V-wagon at 22, then that is crazy, man. Sex is great, I was a virgin till 19, and married the girl I had sex with. She didn't like having to be the one I learned with. I imagine a woman at 25-26 defintly will not like it.

virgins learning it together seems like the best option (if i were to remain a virgin til marriage)

thats a bunch of bullshit..........

no offense...

I passed that point and am VERY happy I only made a handfull of mistakes

in what way is it BS?

I tend to agree that he is making too much out of this. The Catholic priest example is a good one. Suppressing one's sexually is unnatural and very emotionally healthy in the long run. Sooner or later everyone has to have an outlet for that pent up sexual energy and fustration.

dont worry, im not going to start having sex with school children, lol

the ONLY thing I am worried about is that there is hardly any virgin girls left from age, lets say 18 and up (I know they start having sex way before that)

theres gotta be some other christian girls like me out there. but yeah, it does suck saving it when no one else does.

Just remember, most people who brag about banging chicks left and right are usually full of shit and/or have more std's than I have fingers.

You are trying to allow people to influence you. That's the worst mistake you can make. Let them live their lives their way and you live your your way.

Growing up I use to try to be like other people, only to find out that they are more fucked up and have more problems than I did. Now I couldn't be happier living for myself and being who I am.

yeah, i never understood the whole unsafe sex thing. if i were to fool around, id at least do it safely.

and asking for advice on boards is stupid im sure. i have no idea why i keep on doing it.

lol at fg not getting the 40YOV reference. ah, it could happen. don't mind me.

but fyxgel, i just don't think your reasons are built on foundations of air.

i can understand being a person of extremes...but the way you look at this is odd. for example, it doesn't make any sense to me to ask what you gain by being with just 2 women, for example. obviously, you're gaining the chance to be with 2 people that you hopefully care about, or even love. or at the least, enjoy.

and this notion of holding onto something just to be unique and different...is extremely dubious. i can understand wanting to be different, but only in a "better" way. in others ways, i want to be the same and feel like i belong to the rest of the world. being different in a way that doesn't help you or make you better, but denies you a lot of fun or potential happiness, that isn't a good kind of different.

so you have to determine if it really is good for you, or if it makes you a person of higher character. maybe it does. but that's tricky, as it's pretty much all in your mind.

you resonded seriously to one of my threads! yay!
about the only sharing it with a few people, im just saying that sex could probably be fun if it was shared with more than just 2-3 people. If I was not abiding by the bible, i wouldnt limit sex to just women i loved. pleasure is important too!

there are some other virgins out there or people who believe in sex being sacred, i could 'belong' with that group of people if i remained a virgin. The point i was trying to make about virgins, is that there is definately some desire for them, since they are rare. some women want a virgin.

religion aside, i dont think being a virgin makes someone a higher character. but when you throw that whole religion thing in, yeah, virgins are considered more 'righteous'

If you find someone you really care for, someone you plan on spending your life with... nothing wrong with it. Marriage is a man made thing, Who says you have to appear before another mortal to vow oath to someone else. If you vow to be loyal to that person, your word is your word. I see you really put this on high standards, and for that I applaude you, (in a good way) I didn't lose my virginity until I was a 18 and it was after being with someone for a long time. Don't do it just to do it, but if indeed it does happen, don't think less of yourself for it. You can give yourself to someone without a paper saying so, as long as you are honest and truthful...

well in Christian circles, they believe its a God made thing. But this thread wasnt about religion, so i think the rest of the stuff you said makes sense from a secular standpoint!

I will reiterate my earlier sentiments. You have to do what feels right for you. You are NOT going to hell if you do not remain chaste until your wedding night. That is plain crazy. But if you feel THAT strongly about saving yourself for your wife then stick to it.

Also, I am pretty sure that you know of the concept of secondary virginity.... right?

Do you even believe in hell?

I have heard of secondary virginity, what about it?

Take it from an old married guy - you need to get as much of that stuff early on as you can digest.

I am not trying to say you should become a player or something but, though sex may get much better for woman as they get older, it goes down hill for men. You don't want to meet the girl of your dreams, marry her, and 7 years later start thinking what sex is like with someone else.

Get that figured out now......

ok... ive also heard its possible that people may think about what sex is like with someone else, BECAUSE theyve had sex with others. and that then they know what they are missing out on while just having sex with their wife.

so cant that logic go both ways?

and if i want to 'get it all out of my system now', whats to say im not going to want to 'get it all out of my system' again later? of course i wouldnt be able to, cuz id be married, and that may make it even more suckier!

I don't care about being a virgin but I would advise you to not marry somebody you haven't had sex with. Even with your beliefs, physical compatibility is a HUGE part of any relationship even if you have been suppressing it for many years. It's a matter possibly for you of finding someone you feel you could spend your life with and then finding out if the emotional/spiritual compatibility is the same as the physical - then you have your ideal woman. You get married and have that relationship and then find out you don't like them physically? You're screwed and you'll be more tempted to get into other relationships or resent the relationship and have a dysfunctional family.

Good luck finding ANY woman in their 20's who is a virgin though. That's got to be maybe 1% of the population unless they are highly religious or highly unattractive.

ok, is it possible to determine physical compatibility with someone without having sex with them? Some say it is, via communication and other physical contact. But of course some say it isnt. I'm curious what other EFers have to say about this as well.

Take it from someone who knows people of success
- you DO NOT 'need' to get as much of that stuff early on as you can digest.

the people of success I know both Professional and Spiritual live lives like you want to live HealOther.......

simple as this:

dont use people as an object for pleasure only
dont lie to them to get a pleasure
dont be "tricked" to living it up or you will be lived up......trust me........

so what do you mean by people of success? Those who are happy?

And what is wrong with living it up? Provided precautions are taken of course. I guess I know that many people are happy when their years were well spent. And I know there are many things that I wish I would have done differently in the past (things not related to sex).
I'm just hoping that sex doesnt become one of those things, that I wish I had more of. It is true that women only stay young for so long...

 

[UA_Iron]

You ultimately control your own destiny.

If you do happen to have sex with a couple chicks you're gonna regret not nailing more girls earlier on.

Then you actually have to talk to chicks, they have a lot of dumb stuff to say - and there you gotta be playing along with it, acting like you care...

 

[p0ink]

i wouldnt take dating / relationship advice from anyone on this board.

 

[Bikini Mod]

The "cool thing" about being a virgin (from my vantage point only) is that you are in total control of whom it is that you share that experience with, nothing more and nothing less.

As I stated before, how many sex partners my husband has had before me is of little consequence to me. (He has had hundreds if not more.) All I am concerned with is who his sex partner is from the time that we voluntarily decided to commit to one another, foresaking all others.

 

[bluepeter]

For crying out loud, at least fuck a chick in the ass. Save the pussy for the wedding night.

 

[alien amp pharm]

i wouldnt take dating / relationship advice from anyone on this board.

I was about to say I wonder how many people telling him to screw as many chicks as he can A. rarely get laid themselves but talk a big game or B. are STD ridden themself

 

[Bikini Mod]

For crying out loud, at least fuck a chick in the ass. Save the pussy for the wedding night.

This mindset has always befuddled me: guys and girls who honestly believe that just because they dont have "penis in vagina" contact means they are still virgins? WTF - men think that women who have had intercourse with several other men are "sluts" but think that women who have had anal sex and oral sex with countless men are somehow "better" or more desirable as life partners?

Call me crazy but if I heard that my husband had anal sex or oral sex with another woman I would still kick his ass to the curb for having SEX with another woman.

What is this "penis in pussy" sex being the only REAL definition of sex?

 

[bluepeter]

This mindset has always befuddled me: guys and girls who honestly believe that just because they dont have "penis in vagina" contact means they are still virgins? WTF - men think that women who have had intercourse with several other men are "sluts" but think that women who have had anal sex and oral sex with countless men are somehow "better" or more desirable as life partners?

Call me crazy but if I heard that my husband had anal sex or oral sex with another woman I would still kick his ass to the curb for having SEX with another woman.

What is this "penis in pussy" sex being the only REAL definition of sex?

It was a joke.

 

[Rabid_Goose]

Virgins learning together is like two people that have never driven a car, attempting to drive. But if you think you can find a virgin out there to marry, more power to you man.

 

[Bikini Mod]

It was a joke.

Then let me STFU.

You do realize that there are MANY peeps out there (of both genders) that are of this mindset though?

 

[Tweakle]

I honestly thought this was some sort of exaggeration. I didnt know that MANY young women actually behaved this way as if it was "no big deal".

If I have a daughter you best believe she's getting kept on a 6 inch leash until she's 21.

Fxygel, seriously you will never find the right partner for you unless you date a lot of women. And that usually means sleeping with them. Out of 100, there might be one that's right for you but you'll never know if you end up getting all infatuated and marrying the first one to give it up to you.

you'll learn that you're not missing out on anything by being with that one woman.. but only if you have the experience to know what else is out there.

 

[healother]

UPDATE:
Wow! Its taken me awhile to read and respond to some of these. In my previous post (post #45) I put in all my replies to the people who posted above. that post has been edited and updated to include all the replies.

ill reply to the new posts here:

i wouldnt take dating / relationship advice from anyone on this board.

I've thought about that. I dont know why the heck I post all these threads regarding life decisions. I feel compelled to. And like you are saying i have no idea where this advice is coming from!

The "cool thing" about being a virgin (from my vantage point only) is that you are in total control of whom it is that you share that experience with, nothing more and nothing less.

As I stated before, how many sex partners my husband has had before me is of little consequence to me. (He has had hundreds if not more.) All I am concerned with is who his sex partner is from the time that we voluntarily decided to commit to one another, foresaking all others.

dont you think it may be a little easier though for some partners to stick together and be faithful, if the only ones they had sex with were themselves, or.... if they didnt have tons of partners before hand?

I mean trends are trends. Not to diss Grumpy Old Man or anything. But how can a man who has had sex with hundreds of women, just STOP that behavior and have sex with just 1 woman for the rest of his life? I know it has happened where a man and woman sleep around a lot, get married and stick it out together, but it just seems more unlikely.

For crying out loud, at least fuck a chick in the ass. Save the pussy for the wedding night.

I dont understand the dudes that love to put it in the butt. that just seems gross, of course i know you're kidding, but still.

This mindset has always befuddled me: guys and girls who honestly believe that just because they dont have "penis in vagina" contact means they are still virgins? WTF - men think that women who have had intercourse with several other men are "sluts" but think that women who have had anal sex and oral sex with countless men are somehow "better" or more desirable as life partners?

Call me crazy but if I heard that my husband had anal sex or oral sex with another woman I would still kick his ass to the curb for having SEX with another woman.

What is this "penis in pussy" sex being the only REAL definition of sex?

exactly. as far as im concerned, if there is sexual organ contact in any fashion. with a guy finger fucks a woman, or if the man lets him stick his organ between her tits, or if he humps her thighs, bla bla, its still sex!

Virgins learning together is like two people that have never driven a car, attempting to drive. But if you think you can find a virgin out there to marry, more power to you man.

if 2 virgins have sex in highschool i dont see that being too much different than 2 thirty year old virgins having sex
yeah, finding one is a trick though I'm sure!

If I have a daughter you best believe she's getting kept on a 6 inch leash until she's 21.

Fxygel, seriously you will never find the right partner for you unless you date a lot of women. And that usually means sleeping with them. Out of 100, there might be one that's right for you but you'll never know if you end up getting all infatuated and marrying the first one to give it up to you.

you'll learn that you're not missing out on anything by being with that one woman.. but only if you have the experience to know what else is out there.

why cant one learn about a woman, and discover if she's right for him or not without having sex with her?

 

[bluepeter]

Then let me STFU.

You do realize that there are MANY peeps out there (of both genders) that are of this mindset though?

lol, I've actually been with one. An indian girl who wanted to save her virginity. She would only blow me and allow me to fuck her in the ass. Good times.

 

[-SD-]

I had no idea this was foxygel. Why do you keep changing your name? Be true to yourself, padowan.

The only potential problem I see with you is not that youre a virgin, its that youre a male virgin. Female virgins are respectable and even sought after by some, but male virgins (in the US) are generally looked down upon at your age. This makes it harder for you to get women (if you are holding yourself out as a virgin and not keeping it a secret). I know youre not interested in getting laid right now but the fact you are a virgin will probably hurt your chances with simply dating and getting a little physical.

 

[Bikini Mod]

UPDATE:
dont you think it may be a little easier though for some partners to stick together and be faithful, if the only ones they had sex with were themselves, or.... if they didnt have tons of partners before hand?

I mean trends are trends. Not to diss Grumpy Old Man or anything. But how can a man who has had sex with hundreds of women, just STOP that behavior and have sex with just 1 woman for the rest of his life? I know it has happened where a man and woman sleep around a lot, get married and stick it out together, but it just seems more unlikely.

He wasnt unfaithfull to ANY of them. Matter of fact the women that he was committed to cheated on HIM! (There were 6 that he committed to.) With everybody else it was just sex, no commitment, all consenting adults.

There is a difference between having sex for sex and entering into a committed relationship.

I had been faithfull to my exhusband for 13 years right up until the night HE broke our covenant with violence. After that I did what I wanted with whom I wanted, never lied, all of us consenting adults. Not many people can say they were faithfull to another for 13 months let alone 13 years (I was not a virgin on my wedding night but was relatively sexually inexperienced when I met my first husband. I was with only him my entire adult life but for the last 6 years - I am 39 so you do the math).

For me it was easy to be faithfull as I am true to my word. On the flip side once I separated from my ex I fucked who I wanted when I wanted. So which am I? Slut or Faithfull partner?

Think about that.

 

[Bikini Mod]

lol, I've actually been with one. An indian girl who wanted to save her virginity. She would only blow me and allow me to fuck her in the ass. Good times.

I understand what you are saying but not only does behavior like that not makes any sense to me but it actually nauseates me. But hey, she aint my wife so WTF do I care? LOL

 

[healother]

I had no idea this was foxygel. Why do you keep changing your name? Be true to yourself, padowan.

The only potential problem I see with you is not that youre a virgin, its that youre a male virgin. Female virgins are respectable and even sought after by some, but male virgins (in the US) are generally looked down upon at your age. This makes it harder for you to get women (if you are holding yourself out as a virgin and not keeping it a secret). I know youre not interested in getting laid right now but the fact you are a virgin will probably hurt your chances with simply dating and getting a little physical.

ha sorry, i thought i told you. long story behind the name changes. summary: i didnt know if i was allowed back here, so i was doing it incognito for awhile.

so do you think that even female virgins prefer males who are non virgins?

 

[Deleted member 33117]

If I have a daughter you best believe she's getting kept on a 6 inch leash until she's 21.

Fxygel, seriously you will never find the right partner for you unless you date a lot of women. And that usually means sleeping with them. Out of 100, there might be one that's right for you but you'll never know if you end up getting all infatuated and marrying the first one to give it up to you.

you'll learn that you're not missing out on anything by being with that one woman.. but only if you have the experience to know what else is out there.

Case and point. I slept with over 50 women, and had been on at least one day with at least 40, before ever finding the women I am married too, and I was looking for a serious relationship for 3 years. Even then, her and I fucked like bunnies on our first date, and had agreed to just be fuck buddies after that.

 

[healother]

He wasnt unfaithfull to ANY of them. Matter of fact the women that he was committed to cheated on HIM! (There were 6 that he committed to.) With everybody else it was just sex, no commitment, all consenting adults.

There is a difference between having sex for sex and entering into a committed relationship.

I had been faithfull to my exhusband for 13 years right up until the night HE broke our covenant with violence. After that I did what I wanted with whom I wanted, never lied, all of us consenting adults. Not many people can say they were faithfull to another for 13 months let alone 13 years (I was not a virgin on my wedding night but was relatively sexually inexperienced when I met my first husband. I was with only him my entire adult life but for the last 6 years - I am 39 so you do the math).

For me it was easy to be faithfull as I am true to my word. On the flip side once I separated from my ex I fucked who I wanted when I wanted. So which am I? Slut or Faithfull partner?

Think about that.

sorry, i wasnt trying to say he was unfaithful with them, i just meant that he is used to those short term relationships, and maybe marriage is a difficult adjustment to make from that.

you sound like you were very faithful in your first marriage, but as you said before you were inexperienced before you were married, and that could have made it easier. not to say you would have been unfaithful otherwise, its tough to say. you probably know better than i do.

 

[bluepeter]

But hey, she aint my wife so WTF do I care? LOL

Precisely what I was thinking. Plus, she was smoking hot

 

[healother]

Case and point. I slept with over 50 women, and had been on at least one day with at least 40, before ever finding the women I am married too, and I was looking for a serious relationship for 3 years. Even then, her and I fucked like bunnies on our first date, and had agreed to just be fuck buddies after that.

ok, now your marriage is also a little different though, since you two are both into swinging, right?
also you 2 havent been married that long yet. we dont know what your marriage will be like 5 years from now.

 

[-SD-]

ha sorry, i thought i told you. long story behind the name changes. summary: i didnt know if i was allowed back here, so i was doing it incognito for awhile.

so do you think that even female virgins prefer males who are non virgins?

I would have to say no because even female virgins want to eventually know they have a guy whose knows how to take care of business in bed. Regardless of whether you personally know how to fuck like the wind blows even though you are a virgin doesnt matter to a female virgin, all she knows is that guys with experience are better in bed or and more desireable all around than guys without. You must do what you think is right for yourself of course but there are actions/reactions to all things in life whether good intentions or not.

 

[Bikini Mod]

sorry, i wasnt trying to say he was unfaithful with them, i just meant that he is used to those short term relationships, and maybe marriage is a difficult adjustment to make from that.

you sound like you were very faithful in your first marriage, but as you said before you were inexperienced before you were married, and that could have made it easier. not to say you would have been unfaithful otherwise, its tough to say. you probably know better than i do.

You are sweet. I was not offended at all.

My level of experience (or lack thereof) had nothing to do with my "ability to remain faithfull." I had sex with more than one man but less than 10 LOL before I was married the first time. I met my ex when I was barely 21. Does that make me a slut? I was a dutiful, faithfull life partner to my 1st undeserving husband for 13 years not because "I didnt know any better." It was because in my estimation once you make a commitment, you honor it, or you get out and move on.

You see in my opinion I would not have been cheating on my husband but worse, I would be cheating on my children. I view it this way even now regardless of the fact that my current husband did not father my children. But I did CHOOSE HIM to be the man that will be their father. So what kind of mother would I be if I cheated on my children this way? Dishonored the man that I committed to in front of them? What message would this send my children about me and about men?

Lying and cheating are just not me. I prefer to walk away. But I am not a child. I know that it is all too easy for many to succumb to the temptations that are out there and sex has NOTHING to do with it. If you are choosing to remain chaste because you think that both you and your future wife will have a greater chance of remaining faithfull to each other, you are in for a rude awakening.

Decent people (we are not talking about those that are wired to be unfaithful but lie to themselves and their partners by saying that they are not) do not cheat because of sexual attraction. They cheat because of how they feel about themselves when they are in the company of that other person.

I didnt make this up or discover it for myself. This is a FACT.

 

[Bikini Mod]

Precisely what I was thinking. Plus, she was smoking hot

LFMAO

 

[healother]

Decent people (we are not talking about those that are wired to be unfaithful but lie to themselves and their partners by saying that they are not) do not cheat because of sexual attraction. They cheat because of how they feel about themselves when they are in the company of that other person.

I didnt make this up or discover it for myself. This is a FACT.

really? so most people who cheat in relationships are doing it because they desire another 'partner'? and by partner i mean someone they enjoy in all aspects, not just someone they want to fuck.

hmm, i guess regardless of reasons, if someone cheats, they are not a decent person. i just dont understand why people can at least be honest and break it off first!

 

[Rabid_Goose]

If you honestly think you're going to find a 30 year old virgin, I feel sorry for you. You don't need to hold off having sex to feel better about yourself or to feel superior. That goes with trying to get as much tail as you can get. Don't validate yourself on something like this. Validate yourself on how you make your friends feel, how much happiness you bring into their lifes while maintaining your own.

Not on I went to 30 before I had sex, or I banged 200 hookers in a night and I drive a fast car.

 

[jackangel]

Precisely what I was thinking. Plus, she was smoking hot

pics, you inflamed yak testicle.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

ok, now your marriage is also a little different though, since you two are both into swinging, right?
also you 2 havent been married that long yet. we dont know what your marriage will be like 5 years from now.

It is off to a better start than 90% of my married friends (ei I see their fighting and arguments sometimes), and regardless of what you may think, there sure seem to be swingers we've meet at meet and greets and who are on our web sites who have been married 20-30 years and still seem to be happy together.

The swinging thing extends from the fact that we both have a different view on sex than the averge person due to factors in our childhoods (ei we don't really see sex as emotionally bonding or anything more than entertainment, but rather quality time,cuddling and talking about our feelings seem to bring us closer together), my wife is very much bisexual and has been since her early teens, and we both have extremely high sex drives. Also, we both enjoy knowing that the other is enjoying something pleasurable. As long as we both had a good time, there is no animosity or jelousy involved.

 

[healother]

If you honestly think you're going to find a 30 year old virgin, I feel sorry for you. You don't need to hold off having sex to feel better about yourself or to feel superior. That goes with trying to get as much tail as you can get. Don't validate yourself on something like this. Validate yourself on how you make your friends feel, how much happiness you bring into their lifes while maintaining your own.

Not on I went to 30 before I had sex, or I banged 200 hookers in a night and I drive a fast car.

try, life isnt all about pluggin hotties. although if they are also your friends, that means you can make them feel pretty good.

 

[bluepeter]

pics, you inflamed yak testicle.

lol, not bad.

I don't have any but she looked a LOT like this lady but without the oversized fake rack........

NOT WORK SAFE

http://www.indiansexbabes.com/ic7/shakira10.jpg

You have to copy and paste into browser

 

[healother]

lol, not bad.

I don't have any but she looked a LOT like this lady but without the oversized fake rack........

NOT WORK SAFE

http://www.indiansexbabes.com/ic7/shakira10.jpg

You have to copy and paste into browser

if she had that nice a pussy, id be pissed if all she was offering you was the rear entrance.

 

[bluepeter]

if she had that nice a pussy, id be pissed if all she was offering you was the rear entrance.

Oh I was but I ain't turning down the rectum on a chick as fine as that.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

if she had that nice a pussy, id be pissed if all she was offering you was the rear entrance.

LoL healother, until you have a few of each you are not qualified to even make that statement.

 

[Nobledude]

LoL healother, until you have a few of each you are not qualified to even make that statement.

lol...it takes a few encounters ..

 

[healother]

LoL healother, until you have a few of each you are not qualified to even make that statement.

for some reason putting in the rear just grosses me out. like when i see it in a porno it just sickens me, and i shut it off and open up another video.

 

[Sub-Zero]

I havent turned down hot ass yet, just a couple average girls with ugly personalities. (yes a chick has tried coming onto me before)
its tough to say whether i'd crack under temptation or not with a hottie, because i am fairly shy person so i dont really get to know hot women well that often, and i've never had a g/f yet.

but i'd like to believe im doing this by choice.



yeah, it sucks hanging around on a board where every is obsessed with pussy and im trying to stay a virgin. i feel like it creates a rift between me and the board members (and my friends in real life who think im crazy to stay virgin, etc) but staying true to myself is more important. i just wish people on boards like these werent just constantly telling me to give it up, etc.



hold the phone here, isnt it possible to be in a relationship with a woman without having sex? Isnt it possible to gain relationship experience without having sex?



for real
and yeah, i spank the monkey.



thats the one thing, i know all the young tight asses are walking away, and the longer i wait the less the chance i will get of tapping it, so you better believe that pisses me off.

oh, and if i ever have sex before marriage, believe me im going to wrap it, get her tested, take precautions, etc. there is no f***in way im going to end up with a childsupport check or an STD.



i hear you, thanks for the shared words.


i dont understand what is so cool about virginity either. thats why i made this thread. the reason i dont have sex is primarily due to religion, but i just figured id throw other ideas out there, like the idea of being pure and stuff like that.



i have no problem trying to be the dominant one, but i hate being corrected. like this one time where i didnt know how to swing dance, but i ran out on the floor anyone and picked a random chick and threw her around a little. she got pissed and then taught me some moves off to the side afterwards, LOL. It was weird.
If I do have sex before marriage, I think it would do it more than to just find who might be a good wife. I'd probably do it if I thought the opportunity was worth it, yes if there was a really hot chick, i might do it, IF I knew she was clean and that it'd be safe. I wouldnt restrict it to just women i was in a long term relationship with. but as of now i dont believe that decision is mine to make.



virgins learning it together seems like the best option (if i were to remain a virgin til marriage)



in what way is it BS?



dont worry, im not going to start having sex with school children, lol



theres gotta be some other christian girls like me out there. but yeah, it does suck saving it when no one else does.



yeah, i never understood the whole unsafe sex thing. if i were to fool around, id at least do it safely.

and asking for advice on boards is stupid im sure. i have no idea why i keep on doing it.



you resonded seriously to one of my threads! yay!
about the only sharing it with a few people, im just saying that sex could probably be fun if it was shared with more than just 2-3 people. If I was not abiding by the bible, i wouldnt limit sex to just women i loved. pleasure is important too!

there are some other virgins out there or people who believe in sex being sacred, i could 'belong' with that group of people if i remained a virgin. The point i was trying to make about virgins, is that there is definately some desire for them, since they are rare. some women want a virgin.

religion aside, i dont think being a virgin makes someone a higher character. but when you throw that whole religion thing in, yeah, virgins are considered more 'righteous'



well in Christian circles, they believe its a God made thing. But this thread wasnt about religion, so i think the rest of the stuff you said makes sense from a secular standpoint!



Do you even believe in hell?

I have heard of secondary virginity, what about it?



ok... ive also heard its possible that people may think about what sex is like with someone else, BECAUSE theyve had sex with others. and that then they know what they are missing out on while just having sex with their wife.

so cant that logic go both ways?

and if i want to 'get it all out of my system now', whats to say im not going to want to 'get it all out of my system' again later? of course i wouldnt be able to, cuz id be married, and that may make it even more suckier!



ok, is it possible to determine physical compatibility with someone without having sex with them? Some say it is, via communication and other physical contact. But of course some say it isnt. I'm curious what other EFers have to say about this as well.



so what do you mean by people of success? Those who are happy?

And what is wrong with living it up? Provided precautions are taken of course. I guess I know that many people are happy when their years were well spent. And I know there are many things that I wish I would have done differently in the past (things not related to sex).
I'm just hoping that sex doesnt become one of those things, that I wish I had more of. It is true that women only stay young for so long...

some kids i know are some really cool kids and youd never guess they were virgins cause they dont "act like it"

you dont need to have it create a rift, at least over here nobody gives a shit about eachothers personal discisions, its not a big deal and it will only create a rift if u let it, just be urself and quit worrying bro

 

[healother]

some kids i know are some really cool kids and youd never guess they were virgins cause they dont "act like it"

you dont need to have it create a rift, at least over here nobody gives a shit about eachothers personal discisions, its not a big deal and it will only create a rift if u let it, just be urself and quit worrying bro

thanks man. ill try to stay positive. i think i just need to be more assertive and confident about myself and not argue with people or entertain those people who challenge me.

that was a long post quote, LOL

 

[Delinquent]

Didn't we all have this conversation like 3 years ago??

 

[healother]

Didn't we all have this conversation like 3 years ago??

yes, we probably did, lol. i know i can get a bit repetitive on this site.
so you remember me?

 

[Delinquent]

Yea man. I didn't know who you were until I saw your old name mentioned in that other religious thread.

Even though I don't agree with saving yourself, if you wanna do this and can actually find a woman (not girl) that has the same values and beliefs then stay the course. Even though your beliefs may not be the norm in this day and age, they are your beliefs and no one should be able to influence how you intend to live your life.

If you are questioning your beliefs, you need to speak with christians that are more liberal on the matter instead of the bible thumpers who believe that the bible is literal and not metaphorical. Seek those that have had the same dilemma that have chose to lose their virginity before marriage and see how it has impacted their life.

Considering this site is very liberal regarding religion and the members of your church are probably not the best people to talk to about this. I'm not sure what denomination you are but find a nondenominational church and ask their reverend about the matter.

I can't really give anymore advice other than that as I really can't comprehend the concept that you are struggling with.

 

[Wulfgar]

Id think chicks would like it if you were a virgin
cause you dont have Chylamidia...and they KNOW that
that shit is everywhere man

 

[healother]

Yea man. I didn't know who you were until I saw your old name mentioned in that other religious thread.

Even though I don't agree with saving yourself, if you wanna do this and can actually find a woman (not girl) that has the same values and beliefs then stay the course. Even though your beliefs may not be the norm in this day and age, they are your beliefs and no one should be able to influence how you intend to live your life.

If you are questioning your beliefs, you need to speak with christians that are more liberal on the matter instead of the bible thumpers who believe that the bible is literal and not metaphorical. Seek those that have had the same dilemma that have chose to lose their virginity before marriage and see how it has impacted their life.

Considering this site is very liberal regarding religion and the members of your church are probably not the best people to talk to about this. I'm not sure what denomination you are but find a nondenominational church and ask their reverend about the matter.

I can't really give anymore advice other than that as I really can't comprehend the concept that you are struggling with.

yeah, its tough finding a christian circle that openly accepts christians who have premarital sex. its tough finding christian circles that even discuss the issue of premarital sex! It must be a really touchy issue or something.

but yeah, its something that i probably need to talk about more with other Christians. I struggle with it a little, because I dont understand the sense in it. And I think I need to research the issue further. That way if I ever am in such a situation, I can make a sound decision.

 

[-SD-]

for some reason putting in the rear just grosses me out. like when i see it in a porno it just sickens me, and i shut it off and open up another video.

Glad to have you back in rare form here. This stuff is priceless.

 

[velvett]

Lets get real now, I'm 22. I've kept my virginity for this long, if I gave it up now, wouldnt I be a loser, since all my years of remaining a virgin at youth would have gone to waste? I mean I might as well save it so that I can marry another virgin chick, and we can be special for each other right?

I tend to believe in extremes. Either soak up all the sex you can and be completely saturated with hotties in your pants, or be a virgin, like a pure diamond, and the desire of every woman who wants to take your v-card.

If I just pick the middle of the road, and have sex now with a couple chicks, what do I have to gain? I'll have missed out on both the good extremes.

No.
Good Luck with that.
Experience for you and your future wife.


ps. I was nearly 20

 

[healother]

No.
Good Luck with that.
Experience for you and your future wife.


ps. I was nearly 20

Experience for me and my future wife? you mean so that I have skills by the time I'm married?

ps: I'm almost 23

 

[velvett]

Experience for me and my future wife? you mean so that I have skills by the time I'm married?

ps: I'm almost 23

Yes.

You have to figure out what makes you feel good, what makes her feel good and how to get there. You - no one, just knows this - you have to try to figure out what you're doing and what you like.

Add to that not being selfish - you'll be a great lover - and contrary to what some may lead you to believe, it matters.

You don't want to get married to a "technical virgin" that's stuppin' the gardener 3 years into your marriage because you don't know how to get her off and she's bored to tears.

(Sorry for the bluntness - I'm cooking dinner so I'm running back and forth)

 

[p0ink]

how can you not know how to get someone off?

cattle prod + bondage gear + extreme acts of degradation + love

 

[hotzie]

just go get some snatch or shut up about it seriously.

 

[Lestat]

just go get some snatch or shut up about it seriously.

..

 

[Bikini Mod]

really? so most people who cheat in relationships are doing it because they desire another 'partner'? and by partner i mean someone they enjoy in all aspects, not just someone they want to fuck.

hmm, i guess regardless of reasons, if someone cheats, they are not a decent person. i just dont understand why people can at least be honest and break it off first!

You dont understand why decent people could let themselves get sucked in because you havent had a girlfriend let alone been through much of life. It gets complicated and it is very easy to take each other for granted, years of resentment and disappointment build - the boss is an ass but you cant leave that job right now because your wife is pregnant and wont be able to pick up the slack financially, your mother is creating stress between you and your wife's family because SHE wants you to bring the baby over to HER house on Christmas because it is HER first grandchild, your wife is tired and stressed because you screwed up and let a promotion you should have gotten slip by and now she has to work overtime when she wanted to be able to be home and spend more time with the baby, the roof sprung a leak and the car just up and died, the baby wont stop crying and your wife doesnt want to make love because she is self-concious about how she still looks a year after giving birth and no amount of reassurance will change the way she feels about herself..... etc, etc, etc...


Then there is this pretty girl at work who laughs at all of your jokes and makes you feel ten feet tall, not like the "loser" that your wife makes you feel (this is YOUR PERCEPTION MIND YOU and NOT AN "EVIL WIFE" SCENARIO), the next thing you know you question your manhood. You are away on a business trip and who would know.... right?

Happens more often and more quickly than anyone cares to admit.

I have never promised a man that I wouldnt cheat. What I do promise is that IF I feel emotionally disconnected from my husband to the point that I feel myself drifting away I WILL LET HIM KNOW. What he chooses to do with that information is up to him.

We are mortals thereby making us fallible. To err is to be human but to forgive is divine.

 

[Sub-Zero]

I have never promised a man that I wouldnt cheat. What I do promise is that IF I feel emotionally disconnected from my husband to the point that I feel myself drifting away I WILL LET HIM KNOW. What he chooses to do with that information is up to him.

We are mortals thereby making us fallible. To err is to be human but to forgive is divine.

in an ideal world people would, but then you are concerned with losing the way of life youv grown accustomed to, losing your secruity and stability, and you fuck around on the side and have your spouse to fall back on...

thats the way it is with most women, they wont leave or let their spouse know they are fucking around on them untill someone more secure comes around and then they leave for that one

 

[velvett]

how can you not know how to get someone off?

cattle prod + bondage gear + extreme acts of degradation + love

I enjoy your sarcasm and/or demented sense of things

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Yes.

You have to figure out what makes you feel good, what makes her feel good and how to get there. You - no one, just knows this - you have to try to figure out what you're doing and what you like.

Add to that not being selfish - you'll be a great lover - and contrary to what some may lead you to believe, it matters.

You don't want to get married to a "technical virgin" that's stuppin' the gardener 3 years into your marriage because you don't know how to get her off and she's bored to tears.

(Sorry for the bluntness - I'm cooking dinner so I'm running back and forth)

Something I've been wanting to say this entire thread. Lack of sexual satisfaction is the number one cause of cheating which in turn leads to many divorces. People say you can't base a relation just on sex,and while this is true, if one or both partners are not sexually satisfied it will put strain on a marriage/relationship.

 

[gotmilk]

just go get some snatch or shut up about it seriously.

oh god....it will take him another 22 years to learn how to gently suck on the clit like you're giving a hickey..gently pulling and releasing...while sliding his fore-finger in and out of her ass..faster faster...more pressure...slight tongue...more pressure...

I can see his future wife wondering how much longer will it take him to dismount her.

 

[healother]

Yes.

You have to figure out what makes you feel good, what makes her feel good and how to get there. You - no one, just knows this - you have to try to figure out what you're doing and what you like.

Add to that not being selfish - you'll be a great lover - and contrary to what some may lead you to believe, it matters.

You don't want to get married to a "technical virgin" that's stuppin' the gardener 3 years into your marriage because you don't know how to get her off and she's bored to tears.

(Sorry for the bluntness - I'm cooking dinner so I'm running back and forth)

cant 2 people learn how to please each other together? if they are both virgins, then why would it matter?

just go get some snatch or shut up about it seriously.

i cant help it, gotta finish responding to peeps in this thread.

in an ideal world people would, but then you are concerned with losing the way of life youv grown accustomed to, losing your secruity and stability, and you fuck around on the side and have your spouse to fall back on...

thats the way it is with most women, they wont leave or let their spouse know they are fucking around on them untill someone more secure comes around and then they leave for that one

yup, people think they can live in both worlds at once, no matter how much they are screwing someone else over.

 

[gotmilk]

cant 2 people learn how to please each other together?

This isn't Afghanistan. The chance of you finding a virgin here is about as good as you winning the Powerball.