Vegetarians where art thou?

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Re: Re: Vegetarians where art thou?

humans are OMNIVORES meaning that we eat plant and animal.
good luck building muscle or even maintaining what muscle you have right now because i dont' care how you mix your beans and brown rice, your tofu and other dairy products, you cannot progress physical strenght and muscle building without meat and/or FISH.

That's bs, I don't even eat dairy, pure plant proteins and, over the past month, since I've started to do things properly I've packed on alot of muscle for the time frame, I've had 2 positive comments on my body from people I know... and in regards to an earlier post, I've seen lots of healthy vegetarian/vegans with low bf.. for example Cloud-X on this board is vegan and has about 5% bf, and very healthy.

 

[leancuisine]

HANZNZ.......

you gained 20kg of pure muscle you say.
in how long, 20 years?
you're trippin!


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you probably just lost some weight and are seeing your defined body a little better thus the 'illusionary' more lean physique.
surely you did not pack on more muscle by changing your diet to a vegeterian one.
amino acids people!!!!!!!!! EFA's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

do you know what they are, how they work, and if the answer is yes than would you please take the time to explain how you can possibly have 4-5 meals a day each consisting of all EFA's.

thank you.

 

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oh I didn't change, I've been a vegetarian for most of my life, and a vegan for the past while.. I've actually made gains, verified by greater measurements... I try to have a large variety of different types of plant proteins and I get about 1g of protein per pound of body weight... I also take flax oil or ground flax seeds daily for some of my EFA's

 

[Thaibox]

Leancuisine is correct that humans are omnivores and we're built to eat vegetables and meat. The reason we have increased our life spans so drastically is due to the diversity of our diet, which includes meat.

I eat meat(mostly chicken and fish), and I'm beginning to slowly quit eating all meat except fish for mostly ethical reasons.

Regarding potential growth for a veggie, one of my lifting buddies is a hardcore veggie. He has made incredible gains in size and strength over the last couple years with no meat in his diet. I believe that if he ate meat he would progress further, but the negligable amount of difference wouldn't be worth sacrificing his personal(ethical, health) reasons for choosing his diet.

You can give strong arguments for either side. What it comes down to is simply respecting the other person's choice. Anyway, who gives a shit what other people eat.

 

[MS]

It has nothing to do with what we 'evolved' to eat. The FACT is that a human can make awesome muscle gains on a purely vegan diet if she knows her shit and eats right, rests and trains. Whether you choose to meet you muscle gains by eating animal products and/or meat is a personal choice and has nothing to do with bodybuilding. I have been a vegan for over 20 years and have more natural muscle than just about any chick I know. I'm not bragging, just stating the facts.

I added meat/animal products to my diet over the last year because everyone said "I'll bet you'd make even better gains with meat in your diet". Guess what.....all I gained was fat! Now the meat is out again and I'm leaning out once more.

 

[leancuisine]

It has nothing to do with what we 'evolved' to eat. The FACT is that a human can make awesome muscle gains on a purely vegan diet if she knows her shit and eats right, rests and trains.

you can surely make gains with any diet, but lets examine this analogy for a second:

lets take 2 cars traveling at different speed to the same location.

car 1 drives at 45 mph
car 2 drives at 60 mph

surely, both cars will eventually reach their destination, but it doesn't take a genius to realize that car 2 will get there quicker.

car 1 is a vegetrian

car 2 is an omnivore

an exception must be made to those vegeterians who eat fish as fish is as good (if not better) than meat.

 

[MS]

Leacuisine, what evidence do you have that a 'vegetarian car' if tuned properly and given good quality vego fuel is always the slower car? As Thaibox has pointed out, it should be no skin of your back if someone wants to eat vego and I see no reason to try to prejudice their choice with YOUR prejudices. I was an omnivore and ate a LOT of meat fot the first 18 years of my life. I also was a, muscleless chick. I didn't make any noticeable muscle gains at all until I learned how to eat a high quality vegetarian diet. I have had two male partners experience the same thing after living with me and eating as I do.....much better LEAN mass gains. So it looks like it's my prejudice against yours. Why not call it a tie instead of slagging off other peoples dietary choices without any evidence? Really, you should be glad that some of us are willing to forgo meat, since the planet can't support 6 billion people all eating a high protein diet based on animal products!

 

[HansNZ]

HANZNZ.......

you gained 20kg of pure muscle you say.
in how long, 20 years?
you're trippin!


VARIATIONS.......

you probably just lost some weight and are seeing your defined body a little better thus the 'illusionary' more lean physique.
surely you did not pack on more muscle by changing your diet to a vegeterian one.
amino acids people!!!!!!!!! EFA's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

do you know what they are, how they work, and if the answer is yes than would you please take the time to explain how you can possibly have 4-5 meals a day each consisting of all EFA's.

thank you.

I have gained that 20kgs since I became a vegetarian six years ago.

My weight has increased from 80 kgs to 100kgs. My lean body mass has increased 20 kgs and my body fat has fluctuated during periods of dieting and bulking.

Being a 100kg mass monster is more than an "illusion" created by body definition, LOL!

Whether you eat soy or animal protein your body won't know the difference.

 

[HansNZ]

EFAs are essential fatty acids. These are essential nutrients for your body. You can obtain these from fish or nuts. The easiest way is to take flax seed and safflower oils. These will also help to protect your heart from all the animal fats your are ingesting in your meat eating diet

If you wish to have EFAs with every meal (unnecessary) then you could swallow a teaspoon of these oils with each meal. BVe sure not to heat these oils though. They need to be kept cold or they lose their biological value.

It has nothing to do with what we 'evolved' to eat. The FACT is that a human can make awesome muscle gains on a purely vegan diet if she knows her shit and eats right, rests and trains.

you can surely make gains with any diet, but lets examine this analogy for a second:

lets take 2 cars traveling at different speed to the same location.

car 1 drives at 45 mph
car 2 drives at 60 mph

surely, both cars will eventually reach their destination, but it doesn't take a genius to realize that car 2 will get there quicker.

car 1 is a vegetrian

car 2 is an omnivore

an exception must be made to those vegeterians who eat fish as fish is as good (if not better) than meat.

Incorrect. You can gain just as fast on a vegan diet as you will on a meat eating diet.

Sadly I have had this debate with meat eaters time and again. There is a culturally ingrained prejudice that plants can never be as good a source of protein as animals. You'll find most people overwhelmingly agree with your prejudice, despite what the scientific facts are.

Trying to debate this with many people is like debating with a Christian fundamentalist - you may as well save your breath.

 

[leancuisine]

MS....

i just find it hard to believe how a vegeterian diet can compare to a meat diet if the goal is to build muscle. just CANT see it!
sorry.