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Glad you're doing beter jenetic. Maybe some green will help speed your recovery along.
UPDATE to 1.5 years and Still Shudown
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junk
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Jenetic thanks for sharing this incredible helpful and full of information thread, and again wish you very fast complete recovery.
I would like to know, for the past year and half that you claimed to be shut down,
what where your LH and TEST blood test readings? Also, being supressed for such a long period of time, how did it effect your physique? Did you loose all muscle and all strength? I mean, I can't imagine being ultra supressed for such a long period of time without loosing every bit of muscle tissue and strength ?
Also, during the year when you were non-stop juicing, did you use HCG from time to time and at what dosages to possibly help with PCT later on?
And last question which is quite relevant, what is your age? Recovery abilities are quite age depandant
I would like to know, for the past year and half that you claimed to be shut down,
what where your LH and TEST blood test readings? Also, being supressed for such a long period of time, how did it effect your physique? Did you loose all muscle and all strength? I mean, I can't imagine being ultra supressed for such a long period of time without loosing every bit of muscle tissue and strength ?
Also, during the year when you were non-stop juicing, did you use HCG from time to time and at what dosages to possibly help with PCT later on?
And last question which is quite relevant, what is your age? Recovery abilities are quite age depandant
junk said:
Junk,
I don't have any of my old test readings on hand. I do have a current one which was performed prior to my current treatment. For some reason this one is slightly different than my previous tests with the other doctors because it only has one testosterone reading.
Testosterone: 7.85
FSH: 3.49
LH: 11.30
E2: 44.90
Prolactin: 6.09
TSH: 2.39
IGF-1: 68.2
PSA: 0.510
AST: 24
ALT: 25
Total Cholesterol: 147
Triglyceride: 92
HDL: 57.8
If you take a look, you will notice that my values pretty much fall within normal ranges except for my IGF-1 Levels. One thing I found interesting is that my AST, ALT, Cholesterol, Triglyceride and HDL values were all normal. By no means should anyone use these figures to justify that using AAS will not result in liver damage. It is interesting that there was no damage in my particular case.
The most recent blood test prior to this one was six months ago. I don't remember specific numbers but I do know that they were significantly different and closer to borderline or low normal ranges. In conclusion, this is why I made the statement that normal values do not necessarily mean that the INDIVIDUAL is functioning properly. It was my doctor that actually pointed that out to me and asked if I had any initial values where we could compare them to.
My libido definitely has made consistent progress even before treatment. Prior to treatment, I was able to obtain an erection but was not able to hold it for long and in the months before that, I literally could not get a hard on even with Cialis. One thing that I do want to point out is that my balls were still about half the size they used to be in correspondece with the values that I listed above.
To answer your question about physical strength and muscle loss, let me just say this "Worst Possible Scenario." Use your imagination. LOL
I did not use HCG throghout that heavy cycle. It would be interesting to know how much I would have benefited from it but it's too late now.
The answer to the last question is 25.
Hope that helps shine some light on things.
Jenetic
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Jenetic...why didn't the doctor just prescribe you Testosterone? Like in shots or in androgel form?
Carth said:
One thing you need to keep in mind is that our goal was to return my body to Homeostasis. HRT such as testosterone would definitely show an improvement in my overall sense of well being, but it would also further surpress my HTPA (also keep in mind my decreased sperm volume) and reduce any chances of every returning my body to Homeostasis. Basically, it would do more damage than good under the circumstances.
Nathan
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Your original post was misleading I think and please correct me if you disagree with me at all. You said you had been "shut down" for over 1.5 years until last month, which from the sounds of things is not really true. From the way you are describing things everything was technically working, only it was operating at a sub-par level in your case. You were producing sperm and testosterone, just not at the same output as you used to. You used more hormone therapy to manipulate your LH and FSH levels a that point and it finished off the job for you. Had you maybe taken a small break after your first PCT and then done it all over again, you very might have not had such low test levels for all that 1.5 years. Does any of that sound accurate to you or am I totally wrong? That all makes sense though I think. We all know you're likely to crash after a cycle if you forego the PCT alltogether. So, in the case of larger cycles like the one you did, you need a more aggressive and lengthier PCT treatment. Expect a good 6 months + (depending on duration of longer cycles) of recovery time and be aggressive with the PCT in that time. Everyone probably says time on = time off for a reason.
Nathan said:
Nathan,
What is your definition of "shut down"? When I say "shut down" I am referring to being in a clinical state of Hypogonadatropic Hypogonadism. Doesn't that qualify? I apologize if that sounded misleading. The blood test that I had done during the time of the original thread was approximately 1.5 years after the cessation of cycle. Those test results were nowhere near the above posted statistics. Unfortunately, I don't have them on hand but rest assured, they were not pretty. Also, I did attempt Gondatropin therapy again sometime during the time period I was reffering to (about six months after the first PCT). Based on blood tests, it displayed an improvement but the effects and results rapidly diminished after discontinuation which was proven by further test reports. This was probably due to the fact that my dosages and overall time of usage were insufficient. For a brief period of time, everything actually seemed to worsen after the second attempt.
Nathan
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Jenetic said:
Cool. That helps a lot more. All I was trying to ask was whether or not you think you could have gotten your levels back to "normal" a lot sooner had you done a few things differently? From your story, I was under the impression that your levels were coming back, bit by bit, but that you did PCT stuff off and on only in that time. I was just trying to learn from your mistakes is all, and I really appreciate you taking the time to answer all the questions since it could just as easily happen to any one of us.
