UPDATE to 1.5 years and Still Shudown

[Jenetic]

Cool. That helps a lot more. All I was trying to ask was whether or not you think you could have gotten your levels back to "normal" a lot sooner had you done a few things differently? From your story, I was under the impression that your levels were coming back, bit by bit, but that you did PCT stuff off and on only in that time. I was just trying to learn from your mistakes is all, and I really appreciate you taking the time to answer all the questions since it could just as easily happen to any one of us.

Thanks Nathan. I completely understand where you are comming from. I appreciate your concern and I am glad you asked the question as it does help clearify the topic at hand. Looking at my previous post, I can see where it possibly came off as defensive. I assure you that was not the intention. Never hesitate to ask me questions. I am here to do my best to share the details of my condition as well as to help educate everyone so that they won't make the same mistake and to give them the best possible advice I can for recovery in a situation like this based upon my experience.

Jenetic

 

[Nathan]

Thanks Nathan. I completely understand where you are comming from. I appreciate your concern and I am glad you asked the question as it does help clearify the topic at hand. Looking at my previous post, I can see where it possibly came off as defensive. I assure you that was not the intention. Never hesitate to ask me questions. I am here to do my best to share the details of my condition as well as to help educate everyone so that they won't make the same mistake and to give them the best possible advice I can for recovery in a situation like this based upon my experience.

Jenetic

Cool. Seriously though, do you think you could have gotten your levels back to normal any sooner had you done things differently? What would you have done differently?

 

[CYPHON]

 

[Jenetic]

Cool. Seriously though, do you think you could have gotten your levels back to normal any sooner had you done things differently? What would you have done differently?

Most definietely. I should have been just as meticulous about aquiring an experienced doctor as I was with my AAS. I am more than confident that this situation could have been resolved within 6 months under the proper care and supervision of an experienced proffessional. Regular blood testing should have been common practice as well. Overall, minimal negative impact on net physiological strength and muscle gains would have resulted and my overall quality of life would not have been as dramatically affected.

 

[Nathan]

Most definietely. I should have been just as meticulous about aquiring an experienced doctor as I was with my AAS. I am more than confident that this situation could have been resolved within 6 months under the proper care and supervision of an experienced proffessional. Regular blood testing should have been common practice as well. Overall, minimal negative impact on net physiological strength and muscle gains would have resulted and my overall quality of life would not have been as dramatically affected.

You basically just wrote exactly what I was trying to say. I'm really glad you said it though because I'll be taking my PCT therapies more seriously from now on and am going to get some hcg to use mid-way through my next lengthy cycle. Thanks bro.

 

[Sigmund Roid]

Great to hear that a doc is helping you. I wish I was so lucky.

quote:
Testosterone: 7.85
FSH: 3.49
LH: 11.30

I think your FSH and LH are in the normal range, so you don't have a problem with your pituitary/hypothalamus, only with the balls i.e. PRIMARY hypogonadism. Then I do not understand why they would add LH/FSH to the HCG.... That seems to me counterproductive

 

[Jenetic]

I do not understand why they would add LH/FSH to the HCG.... That seems to me counterproductive

I have been analyzing various factors and my brain is about to explode with the ammount of information I have been trying to process. Finally, it is all starting to make some sense, to some extent. This is just a theory based on some studies I have read and should not be taken too seriously. Some of the stuidies were perfomed on rats which could severely throw this theory off because the results of the studies may be species dependant.

It seems that FSH may enhance the responsiveness of Leydig cells to LH. One study showed that FSH treatment induced Leydig cell hyperplasia, increased the number of testicular LH receptors, and increased the steroidogenic response of Leydig cells to LH. FSH further enhanced the steroidogenic capacity of Leydig cells and induced a significant increase in the number of hCG receptors which would increase the the sensitivity and effectiveness of HCG. If this is all "true", it would make sense to use a combination of HCG and HMG (FSH/LH) to initiate and maintain restoration of normal Testosterone secretion and achieve spermatogenesis in people with severe Hypogonadatropic Hypogonadism.

 

[Sigmund Roid]

Jenetic, that makes sense

I wonder what happens if after total restoration of hormone levels the subject is taken off those substances. In my case I react very well on low dosages of clomid (secondary hypo), but as soon as I finish clomid therapy, my levels drop back to the very low range again.

 

[Whacked]

Interesting.


Jenetic: mad props for sharing bro!!

 

[JP@Ironology]

Thanks for sharing! Interesting thread with lots of information.

Speedy recovery.