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MikeMartial

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All I have to say is:

What a pathetic display of estrogen.

If I was Dana, Rich or Matt, I'd have laid into those guys WAY more.

The weird guy with the glasses cracks me up; he'll probably turn out to be a crazy good fighter like Diego ;)
 
I like Jorge
and Rashad sort of
I have to say while I initially thought Melvin's attitude was a bit much (like Leben) maybe that was just some adreniline from soaking it all in cus he said some really logical things later in the show
so he kinda grew on me (also like Leben)
 
That kenny guy that could not make made me very angry. How is gona say that he would have beaten the guy he challenged. He could not even make weight, how he weighed 190 is also a mystery. He was not big or even in shape.
 
Those guys pissed me off badly, i wish rich and matt could beat the hell out of them off camera. What a bunch of damn pussies, they knew what they were gonna have to go through to begin with. They have some guys who would kill for that opportunity that they didnt get. Anyways i just hope they get on to the fighting, i cant wait to see it.
 
I felt sorry for the dude with the busted knees. He just got there and he was injured and now he's missing out on some damn good training.
 
Yep, I feel bad for the guy with the knee injury, but I want those other 2 that quit to get a beating...You don't quit on the first day of a UFC reality show and say its because of the cameras, what were you expecting? The other guy was 5 damn lbs away from making weight with plenty of time left! Why cut 15lbs if you're gonna quit when you only need to lose 5 more? Hopefully it picks up and we see some guys with actual heart...
 
plrpower said:
That kenny guy that could not make made me very angry. How is gona say that he would have beaten the guy he challenged. He could not even make weight, how he weighed 190 is also a mystery. He was not big or even in shape.
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probubly figured he could take him cus he was 20 lbs outside of that guys weightclass
I mean that guy's basicaly a middleweight fighting down at welter...
or would have been if he could take 5 more lbs of water loss
 
it's easy to sit back from our possitions and pick at them
but 3 hours of training 2x a day isn't exactly a picnic
and it's not productive to a 15 minute fight either, it's there specifically to see if they break
it's not a big suprise that some did this time, the shocking thing really is that no one broke the first time
 
The guy who quit while cutting weigh made me sick... he said "I was throwing up" when he was telling the other guys his reasons for quitting... Fuck! When I cut weigh I was so dehydrated I couldn't even throw up an oz of Vile.... SHIT! I WISH I could have blown some serious chunks when I was 5lbs over weigh the day of the match. Could have taken off a good half pound right then and there.

What a pussy.


-BRR
 
Kane Fan said:
it's easy to sit back from our possitions and pick at them
but 3 hours of training 2x a day isn't exactly a picnic
and it's not productive to a 15 minute fight either, it's there specifically to see if they break
it's not a big suprise that some did this time, the shocking thing really is that no one broke the first time
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sure it is, these guys went in there to be ultimate fighters. when you get a chance like that you do what it takes to make it. You dont just quit and say its too hard. The guys on the first show are dedicated fighters, those guys on this show that quit are just punks who wanted to fight because of a tv show they saw, they got a reality check and are now at home sitting on their asses. I really hope that the guys who made it through last week show us something in the weeks to come.
 
well if i had applied for the show i would have started my condishioning that day. they are stupid to go in there ot of shape. 25lbs over your weight class, he did that to himself
 
he dosn't normally fight Welter
but like you said how often is this chance there
so he went for it
I agree about starting your conditioning early tho
if I went out for that show I'd be working cardio up til the point of the show
 
If that guy doesnt normaly fight at 170 he should start because at 185 he out of his element. I wish they would have let him give up the 5 lbs and get his ass kicked. No heart to lose 5lbs not heart to take a puch to the face.
 
fast94ex said:
Those guys pissed me off badly, i wish rich and matt could beat the hell out of them off camera. What a bunch of damn pussies, they knew what they were gonna have to go through to begin with. They have some guys who would kill for that opportunity that they didnt get. Anyways i just hope they get on to the fighting, i cant wait to see it.
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What he said
 
When is the replay?
 
I'm wondering how good Melvin's competition has been up to this point. For having a record like he said he had, I didn't see any ground game or much in the way of standup, even before he broke his hand. And I think I saw maybe 1 or 2 kicks. He talked so much shit, I expected more.
 
Snypr said:
I'm wondering how good Melvin's competition has been up to this point. For having a record like he said he had, I didn't see any ground game or much in the way of standup, even before he broke his hand. And I think I saw maybe 1 or 2 kicks. He talked so much shit, I expected more.
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I was sad to see Melvin go... He is quick, explosive and his natural athleticism was pretty impressive. He gave his back 3-4 times and got out of it. Too bad he did not get a chance to hone his skills. If he continues, he would dominate a fighter like Burkman. He did not seem to get his shit together until the 3rd round... he should have been sprawling and keeping the fight on their feet. If it was pure standup he would have destroyed Burkman. Burkman did the blanket attack... 3 rounds of blankets with little to no offense. I thought the ref should have stood them up... there were times when Burkman was doing absolutely nothing. At least Melvin had 2-3 choke attempts.
 
Herb Dean is the same Ref that permited the Lay and Pray of Koscheck vs Leben
but I thought this guy was way bussier then Koscheck was
I also think Melvin did alright, his gameplan seemed pretty solid
 
I seen Melvin fight in person, and whooped some dudes ass in seconds, but the comp in TUF is alot higher, his athletic ability is very high. If he adds some more technical stuff he'd be a well rounded fighter and tough to beat.
 
What is with these guys?!?!? Is it just me, or do a majority of these guys selected NOT want to be on the show? Rob sure seemed to want to leave, and didn't seem sad about losing.

I was impressed by Brad; for a guy his size, I thought he did quite well, and moved that 262 around pretty quick.
 
I don't know about you but my cable company (Adelphia) cut off just before the fight began - leaving me pissed off as hell.

It seems they need to do a better job of psychologically screening contestants for the show because these whining, no heart guys are a bore to watch. I don't mind the ego's because that goes with the territory but the lack of discipline coming in 18 lbs over your weight class is just stupid.

Melvin is young and very athletic - a few years of maturation and training and he will be a force to be dealt with. "Doesn't play well with others" comes to mind.
 
Brad is the only heavyweight I see being worth a shit and he's been training like 18 months tops...He also trains under Carlos Garcia...Granted Carlos has had alot of fights, I've seen him get his ass kicked probably 7 times at live shows. He's only won maybe 1 that I have been to....
 
Kane Fan said:
how can you make that statment about the hw's after only seeing 2 episodes?
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I agree, I think Keith may be the winner out of the HW.

I can't believe that dumbass Marcus, thought he could make a wrestler box with him. Franklin should have put the kybosh on that match up.
 
I watched episode 4 last night. Anyone see it too? The fight at the end was pretty brutal. Lots of elbows to this guy's head. I won't say who it was because I don't want to spoil it for anyone who has not seen this episode yet. One thing that is kind of irritating is how much the show focuses on just certain people, especially Jorge. Maybe the other guys are boring, I don't know, but I'd like to see some of the other guys and hear what they have to say.
 
Snarling Force said:
I watched episode 4 last night. Anyone see it too? The fight at the end was pretty brutal. Lots of elbows to this guy's head. I won't say who it was because I don't want to spoil it for anyone who has not seen this episode yet. One thing that is kind of irritating is how much the show focuses on just certain people, especially Jorge. Maybe the other guys are boring, I don't know, but I'd like to see some of the other guys and hear what they have to say.
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They seem to put the spotlight on a certain guy each week. I think eventually you get to know all the guys as long as they don't get eliminated.
 
I think Jorge is pretty cool
plus Matt Hughes is one of the coaches and is irritating him so it's natural that that will get a good bit of air time
 
This week was on of the worst fight I have seen in a while - both looked tired from the start and nobody pressed the action. I hope the remaining contestants can step up a little or I will watch Leno instead.
 
1392477 said:
This week was on of the worst fight I have seen in a while - both looked tired from the start and nobody pressed the action. I hope the remaining contestants can step up a little or I will watch Leno instead.
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I bet Dana is worried about the exact same thing :)

I sure wasn't impressed at all, either. Bad hands by the white guy (name?)....the other guy looked like he had potential, but the lame showboating showed otherwise.

I sure hope the next fights are more exciting, too. You'd think these guys would be as wild as hungry caged lions....
 
1392477 said:
This week was on of the worst fight I have seen in a while - both looked tired from the start and nobody pressed the action. I hope the remaining contestants can step up a little or I will watch Leno instead.
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Couldn't agree more. They both looked as winded as a 90 year old cancer patient. That white guy just sucked ass as Dana confirmed, saying it was the worst fight he had ever seen. I'm hoping things turn around this season. I think for season 3, Dana and the gang seriously need to re-evaluate how they choose their contestants to weed out the wastes of space. The preview for next weeks episode looks promising however.
 
Snarling Force said:
Couldn't agree more. They both looked as winded as a 90 year old cancer patient. That white guy just sucked ass as Dana confirmed, saying it was the worst fight he had ever seen. I'm hoping things turn around this season. I think for season 3, Dana and the gang seriously need to re-evaluate how they choose their contestants to weed out the wastes of space. The preview for next weeks episode looks promising however.
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They need to find some real fighters. I can't believe that these are the best guys they could find. Also, they should not claim to have the "worlds best 16 amature fighters" when you are only selecting from the US and Canada.
 
This is exactly why I support Pride Fighting over UFC. I still watch UFC because it's there, but Dana and the Fertidas, or whoever picks fighters for the show AND for UFC competitions needs new glasses.
The early UFC fighters were serious competitors, but now it seems like any shitwad can decide, "Hey, that looks cool", and get on the circuit if Dana likes how they look.
I don't think guys should even be allowed on the show if they don't already weigh-in within the limits for the weight class they'll be fighting in. One-dimensional guys should also be excluded.
 
Snypr said:
This is exactly why I support Pride Fighting over UFC. I still watch UFC because it's there, but Dana and the Fertidas, or whoever picks fighters for the show AND for UFC competitions needs new glasses.
The early UFC fighters were serious competitors, but now it seems like any shitwad can decide, "Hey, that looks cool", and get on the circuit if Dana likes how they look.
I don't think guys should even be allowed on the show if they don't already weigh-in within the limits for the weight class they'll be fighting in. One-dimensional guys should also be excluded.
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I agree... the issue the UFC faces is the fact that Pride will have 60'000 people in a packed arena... which means they have the biggest purses and the best fighters on the planet. The UFC is going to take a while before they get all the best fighters... until it reaches the level of pro boxing... the best fighters will continue to be in Pride.
 
MikeMartial said:
I bet Dana is worried about the exact same thing :)

I sure wasn't impressed at all, either. Bad hands by the white guy (name?)....the other guy looked like he had potential, but the lame showboating showed otherwise.

I sure hope the next fights are more exciting, too. You'd think these guys would be as wild as hungry caged lions....
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it looked like Tom (the white guy) had virtually no standup training at all
and the black fellow (Rashad) looks capable of fighting but he is unwilling to take a chance and swing first almost...
 
Snarling Force said:
Couldn't agree more. They both looked as winded as a 90 year old cancer patient. That white guy just sucked ass as Dana confirmed, saying it was the worst fight he had ever seen. I'm hoping things turn around this season. I think for season 3, Dana and the gang seriously need to re-evaluate how they choose their contestants to weed out the wastes of space. The preview for next weeks episode looks promising however.
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it is the job of preview people to do that
dosn't mean anything
for instance the preview for this weeks said there was a controversial fight
what was thecontroversy cus it's obvious to me Rashad won
it was a Unanimous decision
the only controversy I can think of is how in the hell these people get on the show
 
Hey guys I hear you mentioning Pride a lot. I must admit I don't know much about Pride. Do they have PPV events like UFC like Pride 24 or whatever number they are at? If so, can you recommend some good past events that maybe I could rent or download? I don't think I've ever seen a Pride fight and it sounds like I'm missing out. Also, briefly what are the main differences between UFC and Pride?
 
I've never caught any Pride fights myself, either.

From what I've been told, Pride is way, WAY more established than the UFC. For this reason alone, I'm thinking about going to digital cable and getting the new fight channel I've heard about...

The Fight Network

...UFC, Pride, K-1, Boxing, all day, all night.

My wife is gonna fuckin' hate it! :evil:
 
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Snarling Force said:
Hey guys I hear you mentioning Pride a lot. I must admit I don't know much about Pride. Do they have PPV events like UFC like Pride 24 or whatever number they are at? If so, can you recommend some good past events that maybe I could rent or download? I don't think I've ever seen a Pride fight and it sounds like I'm missing out. Also, briefly what are the main differences between UFC and Pride?
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Watch the Pride Grand Prix 2000 where Royce Gracie fights Kazushi Sakuraba. It's one of the best fights between the greatest of ground fighters.
 
anyone looking forward to this episode?
I know it's the job of previews to make you excited and they often flat out lie to you (which makes me want to GnP them) but it looked like Jorege would be fighting this week
 
Snarling Force said:
Hey guys I hear you mentioning Pride a lot. I must admit I don't know much about Pride. Do they have PPV events like UFC like Pride 24 or whatever number they are at? If so, can you recommend some good past events that maybe I could rent or download? I don't think I've ever seen a Pride fight and it sounds like I'm missing out. Also, briefly what are the main differences between UFC and Pride?
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Pride Fighting follows the same basic rules as UFC, except if I remember correctly you can't use elbows. But you can kick an opponent in the head when he is down.
In my opinion it's better because they have better fighters. They have the top Asian, Russian, and South American, and a few of the best American guys. They also get fighters from other systems, like K-1, Pancrase, and even some UFC guys fly over(like UFC franchise player Chuck Liddel, who got his ass beaten, but the UFC doesn't like to talk about that).
Besides, and no, I don't have SOLID proof yet, but I think the UFC spoon-feeds some of their favorite fighters with tomato-cans, to boost their records.
Later, I'll post on what some of the better Pride tournaments were. Gotta go to the archives.
 
MikeMartial said:
I've never caught any Pride fights myself, either.

From what I've been told, Pride is way, WAY more established than the UFC. For this reason alone, I'm thinking about going to digital cable and getting the new fight channel I've heard about...

The Fight Network

...UFC, Pride, K-1, Boxing, all day, all night.

My wife is gonna fuckin' hate it! :evil:
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DAMN!!! I didn't see my punk-ass cable system on the list of Fight Network carriers. I'm calling the 800 number.
 
I just got around to watching the last Heavyweight fight. I realize I'm late but I still have a comment. TUF is sucking the more I watch it. Of course I still HAVE to watch it. It's MMA and it's on TV!! But seing guys that don't appear to want to fight pisses me off.
Rashad is a bitch who thought his weak-ass non-performance was good enough for him to showboat. Tom(who may have an injury) looked like a deer dazed by headlights. Guys, stop wasting everyone's time!
 
Rashad's performance was solid in the Clinch and decent on the ground
his outside fighting tho was...well, he should pay us for having to sit through that part
 
I think Jorge is a pretty solid fighter. He pushed the fight and did the best he could with an injured knee against a guy bigger than him.



-BRR
 
Pride is in a ring, does not allow elbows, allows head stomps, allows knees and kicks to the face when on the ground. In addition if a fighter is stalling the ref can issue a red or yellow card which results in a deduction of the fighters purse. Also the first round in pride is 10 min long.
 
Big Rick Rock said:
I think Jorge is a pretty solid fighter. He pushed the fight and did the best he could with an injured knee against a guy bigger than him.



-BRR
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I give Jorge credit... he looked good in round one when his knee was functioning... but that Von Flue is terrible. His punches could not break a wet paper bag. The caliber of fighters they have this season seem to be pretty bad.
 
Well this weeks fight was at least entertaining compared to that snorefest last week. Jorge talked a big game but I really didn't see him use his BJJ background or much Muay Thai during the fight. Jason trains with Chuck Lidell in SLO and you can tell with his freestyle fighting. Jason needs to hit the weights because those skinny little arms are only good for swatting flys. He also seems to bleed easily and his eyes swelled up pretty quick with only a couple of light taps.

What impressed me the most was the challenge on the episode. Holy Shit - almost 2 hours of circling your partner - pretty fucking impressive. Franklin showed some intelligence as a coach and forfeited but it would have been interesting to see if anybody could have come close to team Hughes in this event.

I don't know if it's just me but Randy Couture looks completely bored eac :evil: h episode when he comes on and gives his Right Guard Extreme Challenge pitch.
 
Yea Jorge did alright the first round, I was just expecting him to be more explosive or something... He had it won too when he got the naked choke on Jason. I have no idea how he got out of it, it looked like blood was being squeezed out of his head.
 
Big Rick Rock said:
I think Jorge is a pretty solid fighter. He pushed the fight and did the best he could with an injured knee against a guy bigger than him.



-BRR
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Jorge was winning before his knee poped
I have to say it was dumb of him to push the knee with that roundkick in the first place knowing it was injured but considering once he made thatmistake he was screwed
before that mistake he was definatly in control of the fight
and I expected him to have a lot of trouble cus of the other guys reach advatnage
reach is one hell of a good advatnage to have
it's one of those things that non-fighters or people who point spar are always like "big deal 3 inches reach, just lean" and right when you hear that you know they've never had a real match with someone that had reach on them..
 
there was no naked choke on
Jorge was looking fo rit but didn't really have it
his forearm was accross Van Flue's chin which can still tap someone out but it's not a choke so the other guy just kind of pulled his other hand down which stopped any leverage advantage he had then just leaning or rolling forward was enough to overpower Jorges arm
if he had really gotten that choke in I doubt the other guy would have escaped
also if he had gotten his other hand to the back of the targets head, he could have held the 'choke' easier and it'd have been harder for the other guy to pull his arm down

and yes that challenge was amazing
and when it had gone for more then an hour my first thought was do one rotation and quit...so same thing the other guy thought of
 
It was a good fight. I was in pain just watching those guys, imagining how physically tired they were. I liked Jorge and was sad to see him go. Like others have said though, that challenge was one of the most amazing things I've seen. For nearly 2 hours those guys did that shit I could not believe it. Joe is one tough mother and my pick for the one to watch that could possibly win the contest in his division.
 
I'd say he's my pick to but we have only really seen him as far as a Welterwaits go cus of other people eliminating each other etc
so it's hard to say
but Matt siad he's the best on his team at takedowns and submissions and Matt was picking the wrestlers so he's probubly going to be able to put any fighter there on the ground which will likely spell out a victory barring a bad cut or something from a solid jab
 
Finally caught the last two episodes last night; I think Joe is a force to be considered--I was impressed with the "monkey drill" (BJJ drill, not sure of the name) and his ground skills.

I think either:

1) Jorge was hurt worse than he let on, and couldn't fighting well, or

2) He's overrated. For a guy with a BB in BJJ and a "pro" MT fighter, he should have destroyed Jason. Excellent fight, either way, and I thought Jason fought well.

I had company over, and didn't catch was kind of experience or training Jason has....anyone?
 
Hey Mike, if you're a Jason fan, check out www.sherdog.net and go to their MMA forum, and TUF forum section. Jason himself posts there , and has links to his site and his myspace account. He is extremely down to earth , and posts just like any other person there.
 
I was very impressed with Jason, he never quit, and constantly put the pressure on Jorge. Jorge said his knee "popped" twice during the fight, but he had his chance on the ground a couple times and failed. Hats off to Jason.
 
That fight was kinda weird. Looked like slow motion. Good non-stop action though. But jorge seemed to talk to much shit for getting his ass beat the way he did. Just like that black dude in the beggining. Talked to much and got beat. If your gonna talk the talk then walk the walk. Cause in the end you just look like a pussie.
 
Look for the fights before the episode tomorrow. Drew Fickett is facing Koscheck. He trains in the same place I do... great guy, very experienced. Lost a close one to Nick Diaz recently.
 
ass_face said:
Look for the fights before the episode tomorrow. Drew Fickett is facing Koscheck. He trains in the same place I do... great guy, very experienced. Lost a close one to Nick Diaz recently.
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I hope Fickett wins, because I really don't think Koscheck is that great of a fighter (just my un-experienced opinion); he seems very one-dimensional.

I thought I saw that Leben was fighting, too.....also one-dimensional. They need to put these guys up against opponents that have BOTH a stand up and ground game.
 
MikeMartial said:
I hope Fickett wins, because I really don't think Koscheck is that great of a fighter (just my un-experienced opinion); he seems very one-dimensional.

I thought I saw that Leben was fighting, too.....also one-dimensional. They need to put these guys up against opponents that have BOTH a stand up and ground game.
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I have a feeling Drew will win, either with a rear naked (he has submitted a ton of guys with that) or some other submission... His Ju Jitsu is pretty fucking good... but if it goes to the cards, I think it will be bad for Drew. The UFC is really trying to push Koscheck and if it is close, I see Josh getting the nod.

As for Leben, he is fighting Dewees. Dewees is out of AZ too. He is pretty well rounded. Although, he seems to have had some set backs lately. He fought Franklin and got pummeled.
 
Right now, I am:

1) Not at work for the next week,

2) Indulging in some pizza and :beer:,

3) Watching the fights on Spike TV for the next few hours.

Life is good :supercool
 
Interesting night of fights!

Well, my views:

1) I have to give Koshceck a bit more credit...is he a great grappler, and has class. I bet he was on fire inside after that loss. On a side note, if you watch close, he actually tries to tap out, but goes unconscious AS he's tapping. Drew got that rear naked choke on fast and tight.

Drew did a great job, looks like he gave %100 the whole 3 rounds. He got lucky with the knee (or was it just a tired kick?), and I hope he doesn't let it go to his head.

2) I have to give Leben a LOT more credit. I thought he'd get his ass handed to him by Dewees. Leben capitalized on the arm, and fast. So the guy does have ground skills after all---and forwardly admits he's still a brawler. Good on him!

3) Loiseau is an animal! Those elbows are vicious, but what I was really impressed with was his kicking speed and power. Most guys throw one or two, and hope they catch a guy off-guard. I was blow away at how fast his front leg roundhouse was.

Pretty good ground defense, too. I thought he was done after Tanner had his back.

Between him and GSP I don't know who my fav Canuck is. I think Franklin may have his hands full if it goes between him and Loiseau for a title match.

...And as for TUF2 Episode....pretty good fight! Like Loiseau, I was impressed with Seth's kicks. Landed that spinning hook kick nicely! Both guys gassed out at the end, but I don't blame them.

I think Team Franklin was pretty happy with everything at the end of the day.
 
MikeMartial said:
Interesting night of fights!

Well, my views:

1) I have to give Koshceck a bit more credit...is he a great grappler, and has class. I bet he was on fire inside after that loss. On a side note, if you watch close, he actually tries to tap out, but goes unconscious AS he's tapping. Drew got that rear naked choke on fast and tight.

Drew did a great job, looks like he gave %100 the whole 3 rounds. He got lucky with the knee (or was it just a tired kick?), and I hope he doesn't let it go to his head.


2) I have to give Leben a LOT more credit. I thought he'd get his ass handed to him by Dewees. Leben capitalized on the arm, and fast. So the guy does have ground skills after all---and forwardly admits he's still a brawler. Good on him!
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Yeah, Josh was an animal... he has zero finishing skills though. Although, Drew is really good at defending submissions. If you look on Sherdog, Drew has beaten some quality opponents: Dennis Hallman, Dewees, and a few others. He has a lot of experience. I don't think he would get cocky from this victory.... he knows his game. As far as the rear naked, look at his record, he has rear naked choked a slew of his opponents.

It looks like Dewees was taking Leben lightly. He seemed to be manhandling Leben at first.
 
I think Jason is better off with Franlkin
I expect Rich has to give up a heavyweight now?
I have to ask did anyone else notice Seth even use his forward side at all?
I didn't see any real Jabs or lead kicks that I can recall
he's a good fighter but talk about favoring the Right Side
if he finds someone who can successfuly circle to his left side Seth will be in trouble
 
Ultimate Fight Night was good.
BTW, Matt Hughes is a punk-ass bitch. I used to support the guy, and I still think he's a world-class fighter, but as a coach/human, he sucks. I actually like the way he rode his guys and made them work for a higher standard, but the way he treated Jason was BS.
 
Snypr said:
Ultimate Fight Night was good.
BTW, Matt Hughes is a punk-ass bitch. I used to support the guy, and I still think he's a world-class fighter, but as a coach/human, he sucks. I actually like the way he rode his guys and made them work for a higher standard, but the way he treated Jason was BS.
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I can understand the way he rides his guys to make them mentally tough... but to offer no encouragement, and to openly disrespect his fighters is absolutely classless.
 
Koshcheck shot a fucking double leg from wayyyyyyy outside. Drew seen that shit coming from a mile away. Why the fuck would Koshcheck he set up some nice takedowns in the first two rounds and then shoot from the outside like that with 30 secs left?

Best way to shoot a double leg in MMA is to set it up with hand combinations. Get the guy to put his hands up by his head, or get him to trail you and then shoot for the legs right under his punches... Or you can drop into a double leg if you have him in a clinch with his back to the cage.... Koshcheck did not set up that last shot, he shot from the outside with no setup, there is the result.


Nice fucking knee by Drew. He didn't throw that knee straight forward like most guys would in that situation, he brought the hip across and leaned back like he was throwing a roundhouse. Good shit!
 
Speaking of PRIDE- this is what I have to say on the organization: You have NOT witnessed MMA till you have seen PRIDE. UFC has NOTHING on that organization.. the talent pool is NUTS. Order an event you will not regret it, I gurantee you. I saw PRIDE Bushido a few weeks ago, and godammn... thats all I can say.. goddamn. Those lightweights are NUTS. Takanori Gomi has got to be the toughest lightweight whose ever walked the planet, I SHIT YOU NOT.
 
Big Rick Rock said:
Koshcheck shot a fucking double leg from wayyyyyyy outside. Drew seen that shit coming from a mile away. Why the fuck would Koshcheck he set up some nice takedowns in the first two rounds and then shoot from the outside like that with 30 secs left?

Best way to shoot a double leg in MMA is to set it up with hand combinations. Get the guy to put his hands up by his head, or get him to trail you and then shoot for the legs right under his punches... Or you can drop into a double leg if you have him in a clinch with his back to the cage.... Koshcheck did not set up that last shot, he shot from the outside with no setup, there is the result.


Nice fucking knee by Drew. He didn't throw that knee straight forward like most guys would in that situation, he brought the hip across and leaned back like he was throwing a roundhouse. Good shit!
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I train with Drew and he has been working his stand up a lot! His ground game is very solid, but Koscheck is a strong boy. Drew said before the fight, that he was looking to clock him when he tried a take down and he did.

Hey, maybe he was lucky, but practice, training and experience create "luck."
 
Whats with Huges ? I lost a LOT of Respect for the guy with his noise about "Showboating" and whatnot . R was right , its cool when Huges runs a guy all across the Octagon to slam him , or when HIS team Showboats , but he got all whiney when his Opponents did it .
 
Djimbe said:
Whats with Huges ? I lost a LOT of Respect for the guy with his noise about "Showboating" and whatnot . R was right , its cool when Huges runs a guy all across the Octagon to slam him , or when HIS team Showboats , but he got all whiney when his Opponents did it .
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Some times fighters do this to get the guy on the ground near their corner. It makes it easier for you to hear your corner and harder for him to hear his. I'm not sure if this is why Huges does it, but it is pretty common practice among the more experienced guys.





-BRR
 
Yarg! said:
Speaking of PRIDE- this is what I have to say on the organization: You have NOT witnessed MMA till you have seen PRIDE. UFC has NOTHING on that organization.. the talent pool is NUTS. Order an event you will not regret it, I gurantee you. I saw PRIDE Bushido a few weeks ago, and godammn... thats all I can say.. goddamn. Those lightweights are NUTS. Takanori Gomi has got to be the toughest lightweight whose ever walked the planet, I SHIT YOU NOT.
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Agreed I love pride.
 
yah
but even giving them that, he was not carring about Joe showboating
if it were me I'd run my mouth about every heavyweight win I got if I was on Green Team
 
I agree with you all about Hughes. I lost a lot of respect for him too with his hypocrisy and then snubbing Jason after his win. What a prick...

I've got to check out Pride after hearing all you talk about it.

Anyone see UFC 55 this weekend? What are your thoughts? Personally I thought it wasn't that good of a UFC in my opinion but there were some highlights. I'm really looking forward to UFC 56 with Hughes and Franklin both fighting. Did anyone see Arlovski Vs Benatello? I could not believe that shit. Arlovski KO'ed Paul in under 15 seconds. Arlovski is a freakin animal. Who do you think out there could beat him?
 
Everyone I know who watches MMA fights has been disappointed by the UFC lately. There's nothing wrong with a business making money, but Dana White is seeing dollar signs in his head, and the fans are being given inferior product.
Since being sanctioned in Nevada, I've had to witness set-up fights like Arlovski vs Buentello. If you've seen these two before, you would know they weren't anywhere in the same neighborhood as far as fight skill. When I saw 55 being advertised like it was some kind of Clash of the Titans, I knew it was time for me to start betting alot more on UFC fights.
They bank on the fact that a lot of people haven't closely followed UFC to this point, and those who do bet sometimes go on a fighter's record alone(which only tells part of the story), or go with whoever everybody else likes.
Reminds me of the Tito Ortiz/Randy Couture fight where 99% of the celebrities in the audience grinned as they proclaimed Tito to be the greatest. Then, as I expected, Randy embarrased him(and made Tito cry).
I expect to get rich betting on these Tomato-can fights.
 
I'll have to keep that in mind....in hindsight, they did promote UFC 55 like some big deal. I haven't followed MMA for a long time like some, but I knew Arlovski would destroy Buentello.

Had I been a betting man.... :evil:
 
Could they blatently promote Right guard and Xyience a little more?? The shots of one of those ugly bastards putting on right guard makes me want to go right out and buy some!! First season was much better then this one.
 
Snarling Force said:
I agree with you all about Hughes. I lost a lot of respect for him too with his hypocrisy and then snubbing Jason after his win. What a prick...

I've got to check out Pride after hearing all you talk about it.

Anyone see UFC 55 this weekend? What are your thoughts? Personally I thought it wasn't that good of a UFC in my opinion but there were some highlights. I'm really looking forward to UFC 56 with Hughes and Franklin both fighting. Did anyone see Arlovski Vs Benatello? I could not believe that shit. Arlovski KO'ed Paul in under 15 seconds. Arlovski is a freakin animal. Who do you think out there could beat him?
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well the UFC HW Division is, lacking to say the least
it's really ONLY Mir and Arlovski
 
Micker said:
Could they blatently promote Right guard and Xyience a little more?? The shots of one of those ugly bastards putting on right guard makes me want to go right out and buy some!! First season was much better then this one.
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Hahaha. If I see another Xyience commercial, I quit.
 
Kane Fan said:
well the UFC HW Division is, lacking to say the least
it's really ONLY Mir and Arlovski
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Oh, yeah. I forgot about Frank Mir. I was thinking to myself, what if Fedor from Pride decided to terrorize the UFC; who would slow him down. (not stop him). Arlovski and Mir.
 
Snypr said:
Oh, yeah. I forgot about Frank Mir. I was thinking to myself, what if Fedor from Pride decided to terrorize the UFC; who would slow him down. (not stop him). Arlovski and Mir.
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Neither.
Mir would be a walk in the park, Fedor has already beaten a tougher more acomplished ground fighter in Nogueira. As far as Arlovski, it might be a good fight, but again, Fedor as crushed much more seasoned and acomplished strikers than Arlovski. I don't see anybody beating Fedor right now.




-BRR
 
Micker said:
Could they blatently promote Right guard and Xyience a little more?? The shots of one of those ugly bastards putting on right guard makes me want to go right out and buy some!! First season was much better then this one.
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You can't blame the UFC for trying to put some money in their pockets. They need to start making some cash or they will never get off the ground. The only reason why the UFC has not taken off the way Pride has to do with Politics and nothing else.
Pro Boxing has a lot of money and power, a lot of state athletic comissions have banned NHB under preasure from Pro Boxing. Unless the UFC starts making some money so that they can afford to pay they fighters more money and attract new fighter, they will never have the amount of talent and big names like Pride does.

You can shit on the UFC all you want, but they are doing their best to survive in a country that is ran by Money and Politics. Boxing and Pro Wrestling are really scared right now, that NHB can become as big here as it has in Japan.



-BRR
 
Fedor, Cro-cop, Nogueria could all beat arlovski, IMO fedor wouldnt just beat, but hed dominate, and I think cro-cop would be an awesome fight vs. arlovski.
 
HAH ! Score another One for the Freaky Kids ! Luke , with his Shaolin Training Methods , his Macrobiotic Diets , Meditation , and Freaky Eyebrows wins another one for Hughes !

Ill bet it just burns the guy up that it wasnt a Beer-Swilling Fratboy !
 
Djimbe said:
HAH ! Score another One for the Freaky Kids ! Luke , with his Shaolin Training Methods , his Macrobiotic Diets , Meditation , and Freaky Eyebrows wins another one for Hughes !

Ill bet it just burns the guy up that it wasnt a Beer-Swilling Fratboy !
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I was damn curious to see how that weirdo would do.

Looks like the geek can kick ass, kudos for him! I found myself actually cheering for him only a few seconds into the round.
 
MikeMartial said:
I was damn curious to see how that weirdo would do.

Looks like the geek can kick ass, kudos for him! I found myself actually cheering for him only a few seconds into the round.
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Fucking guy has a motor!!! He just kept busy all fight... never stopped. He looked like he could have gone 3 more rounds.

Hmmmm... Tomorrow's shopping list:
Wild Rice
Celery
Garlic
Kelp
 
Hey guys I finally got around to watching a Pride event. It was the Bushido Tournament 2005 that just happened back in September. I was very impressed and recognized one guy, Phil Baroni, that I had seen fight in UFC before. I've never seen anyone so arrogant as Phil and seeing him lose to that guy after talking so much shit was sad.

A couple of questions I had that I'm sure can be easily answered. One thing I noticed elbows are not allowed, however you are allowed to stomp your opponent? This is not allowed in the UFC correct? Secondly, I noticed almost no blood the entire tournament whereas in the UFC, the mat is usually covered with blood after a few fights. Do the pride fighters have thicker padding over their fists than the UFC?
 
lack of elbows probubly leads to less cutting
I figured Luke would do well
if you train a Geek and he gets some experience, he's usually a good fighter
 
Yeah , as soon as I saw that he thought the Invisible Chair was a Joke my ears Perked Up , then when I saw himn using the Iron Bags and doin Chi Gung I was like "Heres their Sleeper !"

Snarling : Yeah , its the elbows . Too bad , thats the ONE rule I wish they would change in Pride , BUT it DOES keep the Fighters ready to go again fast .
 
Dammit I missed the fucking fight! I was out with my son and didn't make it home on time.
Luke is bringing the tape tomorrow night so I'll have a chance to see it at the Gym.




-BRR
 
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