tren

[fcfmuaythai]

I have read from most resources that tren is for experienced bb'ers only, but others have said that it is a good beginner drug. What are the opinions here? The effects sound enticing: body transformation and crazy strength, but I don't want to get in over my head. just looking for overall info, as I'm not planning it for any cycle as of yet. thank you!

5'8"
180lbs (and rising)
11% bf (and falling)
on 2nd cycle as we speak: 500mg sust/week, 50mg var ED

 

[black sheep]

I did tren on my second cycle and loved the results - I used it again on #3. I used 100mg EOD the first run and 150mg EOD the second. I will run it ED the next time I use it..

 

[paridhm]

I think that if you have a lot of info about tren, it can be used by a newbie. Some of the important things to know are: It is a harsh drug on the kidneys, so take precautions (drink at least 1 gallon of water per day, cranberry extract, etc. It will mostly likely raise your blood pressure, so headaches are common. It causes insomnia in some, not all. It is recomended that you inject every day, but every other day can be used as well. Most people recomend 75mg/day for 6 weeks. But if it is your first use, I would try 37.5mg every day and if comfortable with the drug, bump it up to 50mg, then 75mg every day.

 

[Goldprospector]

There is some good advice listed...But if it is your first cycle, then I would still recommend Test only. Other than the sex drive issues...I thought tren felt like amplified feeling of Test. My first cycle of Test...I had some night sweats but not too bad and they quickly went away...Tren was wicked and the sweats lasted the while cycle. There are other feeling that you get while on test that tren just seems to magnify.

So, IMO, I would see how my body would react to Test before trying tren...But thats me.

 

[showtime2004]

quite honestly, tren is not a "first timer" drug. I'll tell you that the sides can be hard to deal with if you don't know what to expect. Trust me.

 

[omoplata]

fcfmuaythai,

I've competed in mma and grappling comps, tren does affect cardio in the short term, but I didn't have those problems when cycling with test.

I used fairly low doses, 37.5/mg/d for tren and 250 to 500 mg/w test enanth.
Started 10-12 weeks before fight for the test, 8-9 weeks for tren.

Ten days or so before fight, I ceased the cycle, had great results from this cycle. But I discovered this particular way after 2 years of experimenting with different cycles and AAS, please use this as a guideline.

Most importantly for me, training and diet are the key. If i am spot on in those two areas, AAS works so much more effectively.

Sorry for the post, good luck!

 

[black sheep]

quite honestly, tren is not a "first timer" drug. I'll tell you that the sides can be hard to deal with if you don't know what to expect. Trust me.

He is already on his second cycle now - so it would stand to reason that the Tren would not be introduced until his 3rd cycle...

I disagree about many of the sides - I had no tren sides except darkening of the urine. I saw awesome results... I say go for it on your 3rd cycle - Here is what I ran:

Week 1-10 Test Prop 150mg EOD
Week 1-6 Tren 100mg EOD
Week 5-10 Winny (Oral) 50mg ED

I found that by running the Tren in the beginning and continueing the prop for 4 weeks after that I recovered much easier - and faster.. I ran Nolva and Clomid for PCT.

 

[fcfmuaythai]

thanks for the responses, it's nice to hear different opinions. For my third cycle, I was thinking of a lean cycle with little bloat, such as:

weeks 1-12 500mg primo
weeks 1-10 250mg test e
weeks 1-6 tren?
weeks 6-12 50mg var ED
HCG, nolva pct

what do you think? should I leave the tren out of this one and save it for another cycle of just test/tren? or would it fit good in this cycle?

 

[Maxx Out]

quite honestly, tren is not a "first timer" drug. I'll tell you that the sides can be hard to deal with if you don't know what to expect. Trust me.

I'd have to agree 100%.