Tren and test dosages...

[stevesmi]

How's recovery from tren only..?
And you don't feel "more" shut down, and different without the libido kick of test base?
nope. not when you run the proper ancillaries on cycle.

I'm curious as to how it works coz in theory sounds good but I sorta thought test helps to "smooth" out the cycle.. Sides and such by having a base when the tren finishes and you're left shutdown crazy.

hmmm.. weird cause there is a newb who has 2 threads up right now who stacked test and tren and he is shutdown bigtime.

Also how long you run a tren only brother?
6 weeks.. i care about my HPTA. and then i like to run another compound a few weeks more. i'm sure you could hit tren for longer but i prefer to cycle short.

Cheers!

there are dozens of guys who run tren with test who get shutdown bigtime, having test as a base does not magically cure your problems.

i have bloods from my tren only cycle and i recovered quickly. 3 weeks my total test was back to 335+ which is pretty damn good for that early. the problem with tren is prolactin, thats why you have to run caber/prami with it. stacking test with it will not combat prolactin, it merely coats the problem.

 

[Countchuckula]

My first experience with tren i ran a stack of 50 tren/50 test/50 masteron MG/1ml. Ran 2 ml EOD, cycle was great.. awesome gains felt motivated and hungry everything was good no side effects.

Second time around i decided to go with the higher tren > test idea. So went with Tren E 400 MG EW / test E 250 MG EW / EQ 400 mg EW, as a bulker.

And gotta say, man did i feel like shit, side effects to mention: lethargy, insomnia, depressed (could be because of a girl problem tho), loss of appetite and will to go to work, tried som arimidex to see if my estrogen was fucked, no change.. I decided to switch back to the stack of tren/test/mast , and ran it at the same dose as last time.. A week later i felt fine.

Just a personal experience.,

 

[Mh48500]

When I ran tren with a higher dose of test it worked great for bulking for me...actually incredible. But I wanted to lose some body fat % on another cycle and I decided to try a low dose of test with my tren. The results were INCREDIBLE! I dropped a few waist sizes, vascularity was insane and I was cut. Obviously my diet was very strict too.

I know most everyone says tren kills their libido, but it was the opposite for me. Apart from the potential shutdown, the extra prolactin is what most people attribute to the libido decrease. Using something like Dostinex(Caber) would work to reduce the production of prolactin, thus negating the libido kill...unless/until the tren shut you down. I ran a great cycle with almost tren only and LOVED the results. I did however get shutdown, which caught me offguard. SInce I had no decrease in libido(actually had an increase) and no testicular atrophy I was shocked by my blood work.

Anyways for me it is bulk= test at high dose, tren
cut= tren, low dose test or none

I think you have to play with the dosages, and try it in a different cycle each way to really know. People who just flat out say it cant be done possibly react a certain way and figure we all do. I kow for the most part there are many generalities, but in the end our all respond different.

Good Luck!

 

[EZ_E]

What's the thought process Ez on the doses.

It came to be thru trying a few doses, then settling on the protocol I've run the last 2 times......probably will reduce the tren mg's next time, I'm not getting any younger...

~EZ

 

[Backtobasicks]

there are dozens of guys who run tren with test who get shutdown bigtime, having test as a base does not magically cure your problems.

i have bloods from my tren only cycle and i recovered quickly. 3 weeks my total test was back to 335+ which is pretty damn good for that early. the problem with tren is prolactin, thats why you have to run caber/prami with it. stacking test with it will not combat prolactin, it merely coats the problem.

Ahk thanks man,
Btw I wasn't arguing saying using test will help the shut down (as test alone shuts you down) I was just wondering if it possibly helped sorta mentally I guess... Having something to keep a "homeostatis" base level as your natty levels are shot.
And by 6 weeks tren with something a few weeks after fo you mean something like tren 1-6, then test 7-10 (+maybe Winstrol (along with ancillaries) to help with coming off tren/bounce back from estro/progess sides)
Cheers for the info

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ well it takes test a few weeks to build up in the system so i would say tren 1-6 then dbol 6-10 for example.

or you can do tren 1-6 along with mast 1-10.. or tren 1-6 along with var 1-8 .. or if you want to do a tren/test cycle do the test 1-12 and tren 1-6..

but my point was you don't need test with it and anyone who thinks you do i would recommend they read the 20 year old kid posting all over the AAS forum that he is having problems after tren/test.

and nothing wrong with an oral only cycle either.. i have sick results from beastdrol only... or a dbol/proviron stack.