Tren and test dosages...

[LetsGrow]

Hey everyone. Let's discuss tren and test dosages. I have been doing lots of reading on here about tren and test and it seems that some people like to run lower dosages or test and higher doses of tren while others prefer higher doses or test and lower doses of tren. So what are your thoughts on dosages and why.

Thanks, looking forward to some good and interesting discussion.

 

[Backtobasicks]

I'm in on this for thoughts!

 

[EZ_E]

I've heard of it both ways, I usually run them mg for mg about the same but test for longer

~EZ

 

[LetsGrow]

I've heard of it both ways, I usually run them mg for mg about the same but test for longer

~EZ

What's the thought process Ez on the doses.

 

[bluetoolpaul]

I'm doing 700 test, 500 tren right now. Good stuff.

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[bluetoolpaul]

I prefer the higher dose of test just bc it feels better. I'm in a good mood on cycle whn I keep test higher. If I do it theother way, I lose libido and feel shitty.

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[ALIN]

Hey everyone. Let's discuss tren and test dosages. I have been doing lots of reading on here about tren and test and it seems that some people like to run lower dosages or test and higher doses of tren while others prefer higher doses or test and lower doses of tren. So what are your thoughts on dosages and why.

Thanks, looking forward to some good and interesting discussion.

TREN can be very suppressive quick. I would never run it without testosterone
and I would keep the dosages of testosterone higher to keep libido high,,avoid
lethargy and make even more superior gains then if TREN was just ran solo.

 

[ledhead]

TREN can be very suppressive quick. I would never run it without testosterone
and I would keep the dosages of testosterone higher to keep libido high,,avoid
lethargy and make even more superior gains then if TREN was just ran solo.

Is it fair to say, that tren will combat the aromatizing effects of test?? Or do you still need to run a AI? I always run tren higher then test but your post aroused my attention...

 

[LetsGrow]

TREN can be very suppressive quick. I would never run it without testosterone
and I would keep the dosages of testosterone higher to keep libido high,,avoid
lethargy and make even more superior gains then if TREN was just ran solo.

Not saying to run without test, but there have been so many different people that run test higher when running tren and then other run tren higher but still run test with it but at lower doses.

 

[stevesmi]

i like to run tren alone. dryer gains.

some of you that insist on stacking tren with test should try tren alone sometime, you might fall in love with that strategy.

 

[LetsGrow]

i like to run tren alone. dryer gains.

some of you that insist on stacking tren with test should try tren alone sometime, you might fall in love with that strategy.

Stevesmi besides the dryness what's your reason for running it without test. Also what kind of dosage do you run and what other compounds (I.e. mast, eq, etc...)

 

[pilot3]

Great thread, I'm currently running

Test prop-600mg week
Tren ace-900mg week
Mast prop-600mg week
Just added primo at 400mg a week

And I struggle daily with feeling lethargic and wanna take 2-3 naps a day. By far the worst cycle yet for energy, libido, and overall sense of well being. Also not that motivated in the gym.

I'm gonna up my test to 900mg week and drop the tren to maybe 700mg and see how I feel. If I can't get my energy and well being right I will drop the tren and add winny.

PS-I absolutely love the Trensformation- I'm down to 9%BF on 265lbs. At 6'4" but damn Yo my favorite part of all my previous cycles is missing here! That euphoric positive energy!

 

[LetsGrow]

Great thread, I'm currently running

Test prop-600mg week
Tren ace-900mg week
Mast prop-600mg week
Just added primo at 400mg a week

And I struggle daily with feeling lethargic and wanna take 2-3 naps a day. By far the worst cycle yet for energy, libido, and overall sense of well being. Also not that motivated in the gym.

I'm gonna up my test to 900mg week and drop the tren to maybe 700mg and see how I feel. If I can't get my energy and well being right I will drop the tren and add winny.

PS-I absolutely love the Trensformation- I'm down to 9%BF on 265lbs. At 6'4" but damn Yo my favorite part of all my previous cycles is missing here! That euphoric positive energy!

Wow...big boy lol. Why not just up the test and leave tren at current level (both 900mg/week)? Also want to ask why such a high dose of tren? I am assuming you are a long term user of it??

 

[ConanX]

Tried it with 1 gram of Test and 700mg Tren (closer to 800 since I fill passed the 10iu mark on the slin pin). Then lowered the Test to 450. Then increased it to 750. I'm running my test right now at 750 so the test:tren is about 1:1. Everything is going great. I just noticed I wasn't as large with lower test. I'd put the test up to a gram again but my bodyhair was getting too thick.

Only problem I have is severe lethargy. I can sleep all day long if I had a day off of work. My girl hates me for it. The minute I sit down and watch TV I just pass out. Even while driving I struggle to keep my eyes open. Otherwise the cycle is excellent. Also running EQ 600mg EW and Dbol 40mg ED

 

[Judo Tom]

there is no need to run it one way or the other.. some like a lot of test in a cycle.. some dont..

some can run high mg of tren and others cant

id say that the most important aspect of combining these two is controlling both progesterone and estrogen.. you gotta find out what supp works best for you to control these.. id say give forma a try especially if you arent running crazy high dosages

 

[stevesmi]

Great thread, I'm currently running

Test prop-600mg week
Tren ace-900mg week
Mast prop-600mg week
Just added primo at 400mg a week

And I struggle daily with feeling lethargic and wanna take 2-3 naps a day. By far the worst cycle yet for energy, libido, and overall sense of well being. Also not that motivated in the gym.

I'm gonna up my test to 900mg week and drop the tren to maybe 700mg and see how I feel. If I can't get my energy and well being right I will drop the tren and add winny.

PS-I absolutely love the Trensformation- I'm down to 9%BF on 265lbs. At 6'4" but damn Yo my favorite part of all my previous cycles is missing here! That euphoric positive energy!

with those stats you should be a LB in the NFL. post up a pic cause your stats are not believeable.. you would be the biggest guy on this site at 265 pounds and 9% body fat. Ross weighs 50 pounds less and he is built like a freight train.

you are lethargic cause your blood pressure is sky high on those doses and at your body weight. also where is your caber? upping your test is only gonna make your bp goes even higher. testosterone has side effects ya know

 

[stevesmi]

Stevesmi besides the dryness what's your reason for running it without test. Also what kind of dosage do you run and what other compounds (I.e. mast, eq, etc...)

several reasons.

I don't like running more than a gram a week of juice. if you start stacking things you quickly will go over. I let my training and diet dictate my gains, and i like to run a small amount of juice to give me a nudge, not run 3 grams of juice and depend on that.

also testosterone has side effects of its own. high blood pressure, insomnia, bloat, lethargy, increased appetite. not always good things for guys who like to focus on their workouts and keep a strict diet.

I am not anti-test.. i just ran a test only cycle. but if i have to choose between a tren only and test only i choose tren anyday for cutting.

 

[LetsGrow]

several reasons.

I don't like running more than a gram a week of juice. if you start stacking things you quickly will go over. I let my training and diet dictate my gains, and i like to run a small amount of juice to give me a nudge, not run 3 grams of juice and depend on that.

also testosterone has side effects of its own. high blood pressure, insomnia, bloat, lethargy, increased appetite. not always good things for guys who like to focus on their workouts and keep a strict diet.

I am not anti-test.. i just ran a test only cycle. but if i have to choose between a tren only and test only i choose tren anyday for cutting.

Nice! Always great to hear guys doing things that most people would argue against (as long as they are well thought out and proper knowledge is in place) to see how it actually works and how the individual responds.

Btw stevesmi how is your current cycle going?

 

[Backtobasicks]

several reasons.

I don't like running more than a gram a week of juice. if you start stacking things you quickly will go over. I let my training and diet dictate my gains, and i like to run a small amount of juice to give me a nudge, not run 3 grams of juice and depend on that.

also testosterone has side effects of its own. high blood pressure, insomnia, bloat, lethargy, increased appetite. not always good things for guys who like to focus on their workouts and keep a strict diet.

I am not anti-test.. i just ran a test only cycle. but if i have to choose between a tren only and test only i choose tren anyday for cutting.

How's recovery from tren only..?
And you don't feel "more" shut down, and different without the libido kick of test base? I'm curious as to how it works coz in theory sounds good but I sorta thought test helps to "smooth" out the cycle.. Sides and such by having a base when the tren finishes and you're left shutdown crazy.

Also how long you run a tren only brother?
Cheers!

 

[stevesmi]

Nice! Always great to hear guys doing things that most people would argue against (as long as they are well thought out and proper knowledge is in place) to see how it actually works and how the individual responds.

Btw stevesmi how is your current cycle going?

I am not on any cycle man. I plan on starting a cycle in the next couple months. i'm all natty for now

 

[stevesmi]

How's recovery from tren only..?
And you don't feel "more" shut down, and different without the libido kick of test base?
nope. not when you run the proper ancillaries on cycle.

I'm curious as to how it works coz in theory sounds good but I sorta thought test helps to "smooth" out the cycle.. Sides and such by having a base when the tren finishes and you're left shutdown crazy.

hmmm.. weird cause there is a newb who has 2 threads up right now who stacked test and tren and he is shutdown bigtime.

Also how long you run a tren only brother?
6 weeks.. i care about my HPTA. and then i like to run another compound a few weeks more. i'm sure you could hit tren for longer but i prefer to cycle short.

Cheers!

there are dozens of guys who run tren with test who get shutdown bigtime, having test as a base does not magically cure your problems.

i have bloods from my tren only cycle and i recovered quickly. 3 weeks my total test was back to 335+ which is pretty damn good for that early. the problem with tren is prolactin, thats why you have to run caber/prami with it. stacking test with it will not combat prolactin, it merely coats the problem.

 

[Countchuckula]

My first experience with tren i ran a stack of 50 tren/50 test/50 masteron MG/1ml. Ran 2 ml EOD, cycle was great.. awesome gains felt motivated and hungry everything was good no side effects.

Second time around i decided to go with the higher tren > test idea. So went with Tren E 400 MG EW / test E 250 MG EW / EQ 400 mg EW, as a bulker.

And gotta say, man did i feel like shit, side effects to mention: lethargy, insomnia, depressed (could be because of a girl problem tho), loss of appetite and will to go to work, tried som arimidex to see if my estrogen was fucked, no change.. I decided to switch back to the stack of tren/test/mast , and ran it at the same dose as last time.. A week later i felt fine.

Just a personal experience.,

 

[Mh48500]

When I ran tren with a higher dose of test it worked great for bulking for me...actually incredible. But I wanted to lose some body fat % on another cycle and I decided to try a low dose of test with my tren. The results were INCREDIBLE! I dropped a few waist sizes, vascularity was insane and I was cut. Obviously my diet was very strict too.

I know most everyone says tren kills their libido, but it was the opposite for me. Apart from the potential shutdown, the extra prolactin is what most people attribute to the libido decrease. Using something like Dostinex(Caber) would work to reduce the production of prolactin, thus negating the libido kill...unless/until the tren shut you down. I ran a great cycle with almost tren only and LOVED the results. I did however get shutdown, which caught me offguard. SInce I had no decrease in libido(actually had an increase) and no testicular atrophy I was shocked by my blood work.

Anyways for me it is bulk= test at high dose, tren
cut= tren, low dose test or none

I think you have to play with the dosages, and try it in a different cycle each way to really know. People who just flat out say it cant be done possibly react a certain way and figure we all do. I kow for the most part there are many generalities, but in the end our all respond different.

Good Luck!

 

[EZ_E]

What's the thought process Ez on the doses.

It came to be thru trying a few doses, then settling on the protocol I've run the last 2 times......probably will reduce the tren mg's next time, I'm not getting any younger...

~EZ

 

[Backtobasicks]

there are dozens of guys who run tren with test who get shutdown bigtime, having test as a base does not magically cure your problems.

i have bloods from my tren only cycle and i recovered quickly. 3 weeks my total test was back to 335+ which is pretty damn good for that early. the problem with tren is prolactin, thats why you have to run caber/prami with it. stacking test with it will not combat prolactin, it merely coats the problem.

Ahk thanks man,
Btw I wasn't arguing saying using test will help the shut down (as test alone shuts you down) I was just wondering if it possibly helped sorta mentally I guess... Having something to keep a "homeostatis" base level as your natty levels are shot.
And by 6 weeks tren with something a few weeks after fo you mean something like tren 1-6, then test 7-10 (+maybe Winstrol (along with ancillaries) to help with coming off tren/bounce back from estro/progess sides)
Cheers for the info

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ well it takes test a few weeks to build up in the system so i would say tren 1-6 then dbol 6-10 for example.

or you can do tren 1-6 along with mast 1-10.. or tren 1-6 along with var 1-8 .. or if you want to do a tren/test cycle do the test 1-12 and tren 1-6..

but my point was you don't need test with it and anyone who thinks you do i would recommend they read the 20 year old kid posting all over the AAS forum that he is having problems after tren/test.

and nothing wrong with an oral only cycle either.. i have sick results from beastdrol only... or a dbol/proviron stack.