Transdermal Application

[Primordial Performance]

Actually those are closer to 200%. But you are comparing apple and oranges. You can't compare 3-5mg per day test swings with the swings caused by adding a 1000mg of test per week. The whole reason you use an ester in a depot is to get even blood levels while using 1000mg/wk. The side effects don't come from the test. They come from the estrogens, prolactin, progestins, etc. Taking 1000mg/wk of test is no problem for those using an AI like AIFM. There are hundreds of men using over a gram a week with AIFM and have NO side effects. The success rate of AIFM for those using over a gram is nearly 100%. Now if they were spiking their test levels up and down 200% who knows how bad the sides would be. Mainly because they wouldn't be dosing the AI to match up with the test spiking.

Put aside your love of transdermal for a minute. If you use suspension and inject it daily your side effects are much greater then if you use an esterfied test in a depot. If you don't think so, try it. Esters in a depot are a better choice.

I said the swings from Androgel are 50%. I'm sorry that was off the top of my head. It's closer 300%.

Agreed on the test suspension, esterfied test comment, but I must say, I personally prefer certain steroids at swift full swing. Imagine an esterfied Dbol… come on now….

Plus, PCT is much quicker and easier when using transdermal steroids. The steroids clear your system within days rather than months… ie. nandrolone decanoate can linger in the system for many months (possibly years) due to the lipophilicity and ease of cleavage from ester, and reattachment to ester, ect, ect.. Same thing with other long acting esters of test, boldenone, tren, ect. All this excess steroid lingering can suppress and suppress... bad news.

If you’re an TRT patient, and don’t mind needles, an esterfied test may be best. However if you’re a bodybuilder or athlete that wants quick rebound and much shorter clearance time for a UA, then transdermals have there benefits.

Better yet, a combination of transdermals and esterfied injects makes room for even more fun...

-Pp

 

[Mrpumped]

All said and done, everything has it's purpose. I still choose injectable and oral. Transdermal just doesn't appeal to me. But to each his own.

 

[D_Mac]

I know how esters are cleaved. But thanks.

Like I said, twice, blood levels of test will swing wildly up and down using test base in a delivery solution transdermally. In Androgel the test levels swing up and down by over 50% in just few hours. That's for 5mg. Now if you do that with 100mg your side effects from spiking will be much worse than if the test in a ester in a depot.

So, d_mac, I'm glad to hear you found a way to get over your fear of needles. But the fact is that cycling transdermally is a bad idea.

What side effects exactly are you talking about Ulter? There are a lot of guys out there who love transdermals and don't get any increased side effects. You have obviously never cycled transdermals so maybe you should try them out before talking me down. And maybe you should speak on subjects you know something about and refrain from being condescending to every person who differs from your opinion.

And FYI, oral steroids don’t have esters either man, so should we stop taking those too?

 

[al420]

Better yet, a combination of transdermals and esterfied injects makes room for even more fun...

-Pp

And who here does not like fun?

 

[needtogetaas]

Agreed on the test suspension, esterfied test comment, but I must say, I personally prefer certain steroids at swift full swing. Imagine an esterfied Dbol… come on now….

Plus, PCT is much quicker and easier when using transdermal steroids. The steroids clear your system within days rather than months… ie. nandrolone decanoate can linger in the system for many months (possibly years) due to the lipophilicity and ease of cleavage from ester, and reattachment to ester, ect, ect.. Same thing with other long acting esters of test, boldenone, tren, ect. All this excess steroid lingering can suppress and suppress... bad news.

If you’re an TRT patient, and don’t mind needles, an esterfied test may be best. However if you’re a bodybuilder or athlete that wants quick rebound and much shorter clearance time for a UA, then transdermals have there benefits.

Better yet, a combination of transdermals and esterfied injects makes room for even more fun...

-Pp

I got a question.could a transdermal steroids be used kind of like a spot injection would.to help bring up lagging pats or what have you.

 

[Primordial Performance]

I got a question.could a transdermal steroids be used kind of like a spot injection would.to help bring up lagging pats or what have you.

Localized action is not possible in muscle as far as I know. The steroids go systemic before entering the muscle.

-Pp

 

[the-short-one]

I got a question.could a transdermal steroids be used kind of like a spot injection would.to help bring up lagging pats or what have you.

MGF

 

[needtogetaas]

MGF

mgf

 

[Primordial Performance]

MGF

My first inclination is that MGF is way too big of a peptide to pass through the skin unless you had some super aggressive iontophoresis applied to the skin.

Do you have some personal experience with this?

-Pp

 

[blut wump]

MGF - mechano growth factor, an IGF-1 variant.