Tips for Hard Gainers?

[silverskyline]

Damn DJ your still on this? every thread I've seen you hit goes from wahtever it is to a discussion about this topis with everyone.

I havnt seen anyone completly agree yet however. just sayin

This is how Jay Cutler Got big arms. Not curls

If doing curls all day got you big arms, you'd see skinny twig people waling around with 30" arms. All the misinformed people that waste their time doing 30 sets of curls would have huge arms. But they don't.

No matter how many sets of curls you do you're simply wasting your time, your arms will not grow unless you do compound movements that stress the entire body like Deads.

Whihc is what the scientific study I posted eariler showed us.

Keep doing those curls, do 30, 40 sets every day with minimal results, by all means, lol

 

[silverskyline]

I've actually been meaning to getting around asking if I should change what muscle groups together. I actually I think I will do that for a while and see if that helps.

absolutly! you have to look our for your tagonist.antagonist musscles.

even working your tris the day after your bis your bis are tight and you wont get full extention on your tris like that.

also working a muccle group like your chest then tris the next day your trys will get over worked.

 

[dabuffguy]

im not a elite member but is that the photo from lady in the water? i thought that arm was fake when i saw the movie.. did he actually beef up one arm if so i wanna see the article that he said he did

yeah, from lady in the water. His arm is fake.

 

[dabuffguy]

if you are doing an exercise that directly stresses the muscle and breaks it down, ie curls, it would eventually build the muscle up larger than it was. i thought that was the principle of muscle building tear it down, (curl), to build it up. if you continually add more stress to the muscle it will continue growing to a point. just my .02.

Exactly. A curl will stress the muscle, and will break it down, giving it reason to build back stronger and bigger.

 

[b fold the truth]

No such thing as a 'Hard Gainer'
I call them, not-eating-enough-ers.
Thats all it comes down to.

People can argue programs all day long till they are blue in the face...


...but you hit the nail on the head.

 

[djeclipse]

if you are doing an exercise that directly stresses the muscle and breaks it down, ie curls, it would eventually build the muscle up larger than it was. i thought that was the principle of muscle building tear it down, (curl), to build it up. if you continually add more stress to the muscle it will continue growing to a point. just my .02.

The bottom line is that muscle growth is a systemic issue, not a localized one. If you put a stress on the forearm only, of course it would grow, but that growth would be limited because the systemic load is small. If you did deadlifts, on the other hand, the systemic load would be so big, everything would grow.

Everyone and his brother goes to the gym and does 30 sets of curls usually twice a week. If muscle growth was localized you would see all these people with huge arms, but you don't. Doing 30 sets of curls does not give you the stimulation that a a few sets of a movement like the deadlift does.

 

[dabuffguy]

Everyone and his brother goes to the gym and does 30 sets of curls usually twice a week. If muscle growth was localized you would see all these people with huge arms, but you don't. Doing 30 sets of curls does not give you the stimulation that a a few sets of a movement like the deadlift does.

True statement on all accounts. Even the quote in your post says that local stimulation will produce results, although limited because systemic load is small. Wouldn't be wasting your time if that limited extra amount of growth came to pass, would it?

Doing 30 sets of curls in defferent forms is total overkill. Nobody does sets 30 of bench press. Don't be so exxagerate. And anyone that does 30 sets of curls is a dumbass, and the reason they are small is because they don't know how to train or diet worth shit anyway so that's a bad example.

I do max 8 sets of curls, usually 4 if I do them at all. That's plenty with already doing back excercises, like rows and chins etc.

 

[djeclipse]

True statement on all accounts. Even the quote in your post says that local stimulation will produce results, although limited because systemic load is small. Wouldn't be wasting your time if that limited extra amount of growth came to pass, would it?

The university study I posted shows that if you are doing heavy compound movements you gain NO extra growth in the arms by doing isolation movements such as Curls, tri extensions.

Basically if all you did was curls and tri extensions at the gym, you would get some, but limited growth. As soon as you add in compound movements like Deads, Squats etc. there is absolutley no gain to be had by doing curls on top of these movements, you are literally wasting your time as it doesn't make a difference if you do them or not.

 

[djeclipse]

Doing 30 sets of curls in defferent forms is total overkill. Nobody does sets 30 of bench press...

No? Flat bench, incline bench, decline bench, then do incline dumbell press, "incline flies for the stretch YO!", Decline dumbell press, cable cross overs 6 different ways, some new gay movement they read about in the latest BB mag, the list goes on.

I've seen people do close to 20-30 sets of chest exercises/ w/o, it's hardly an exaggeration.

 

[silverskyline]

Everyone and his brother goes to the gym and does 30 sets of curls usually twice a week. If muscle growth was localized you would see all these people with huge arms, but you don't. Doing 30 sets of curls does not give you the stimulation that a a few sets of a movement like the deadlift does.

I see tons of guys at my gym that are massive that do curls