Thoughts on training

[AEKDB]

"prior to his fight against Buster Douglas in 1990, Evander was in sad physical condition considering the specific demands of his sport. I immediately tested Evander's responses to three minutes of boxing specific total body work... analogous to one hard boxing round. What was worse, after doing five of the 3-minute drills with a one minute rest between, his heart rate remained above 150 between bouts. In short, he did not have the capacity to sustain a high performance level for even half of the duration of a professional fight....The road work ended promptly and completely." http://www.sportsci.org/news/news9709/hatfield.html

"As competitive Martial Arts is generally strength based, speed based or a combination of both (power based) it is very important that you keep away from regular low intensity work done over long durations to build fitness such as running, cycling, swimming etc." http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/other21.htm

I found both articles very interesting. Neither article fully addresses weight training, but I could see how one could easily adapt a 3min circuit with a 1min rest.

Something like:

As many Clean & Presses in 3min
1min rest
As many Snatches in 3min
1min rest
As many push squats in 3min

Other ideas? Opinions?

 

[Judo Tom]

i get great results doing a circuit routine where i pick a compound exercise.. then pick a weight that i can get 30-40 reps out of and do 1 set.. rest 10 sec and try for another 25-30 rest 10 sec and then try for atnother 20-25 (maybe lower the weight if need be)

then switch exercises..

works great for musclular endurance

 

[Djimbe]

The people that I train and Consult have gotten MUCH better result from Working out like Sprinterts , where the "Conventional Wisdom" has them doing MILES and MILES of roadwork each day .

As soon as I can convince them to knock that crap off and focus oin Wind Sprints , Heavybag work in 5-6 min rounds with high Strike/Sec counts , and creative Focus Pad drills they find themselves FAR more relaxed in Sparring and Fighting Situations . I REALLY think that the guys over at Crossfit have the right Idea . Running Miles and sustaining activity for hours is for Marathoners , not Combatants . Sportfightsa last 15-30 min MAX , and REAL fights , well , if they last 5 you arent doing something right .

The Crossfit Idea :

http://www.crossfit.com/cf-download/CFJ-trial.pdf

 

[AEKDB]

Actually my thinking was to mimic the rounds with the 3min exercise followed by a 1min rest. The excersises I picked would tax the body more than can be expected in a fight. I was thinking this would train the body to deliver max power over the deration of the fight. Just a random thought.

 

[Kane Fan]

"prior to his fight against Buster Douglas in 1990, Evander was in sad physical condition considering the specific demands of his sport. I immediately tested Evander's responses to three minutes of boxing specific total body work... analogous to one hard boxing round. What was worse, after doing five of the 3-minute drills with a one minute rest between, his heart rate remained above 150 between bouts. In short, he did not have the capacity to sustain a high performance level for even half of the duration of a professional fight....The road work ended promptly and completely." http://www.sportsci.org/news/news9709/hatfield.html

"As competitive Martial Arts is generally strength based, speed based or a combination of both (power based) it is very important that you keep away from regular low intensity work done over long durations to build fitness such as running, cycling, swimming etc." http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/other21.htm

I found both articles very interesting. Neither article fully addresses weight training, but I could see how one could easily adapt a 3min circuit with a 1min rest.

Something like:

As many Clean & Presses in 3min
1min rest
As many Snatches in 3min
1min rest
As many push squats in 3min

Other ideas? Opinions?

I would use Sparring and nonweight work for cardio
and weights for weights like strength and power

 

[Judo Tom]

i used to think the same thing that weights were just good for stength and power UNTIL i started doing that circuit routine...

also my matches can go pretty long and w/o breaks as well..

also in some judo tournaments they have like a winner stays on style so you can fight like 5matches in a row w/ no rest..

 

[Djimbe]

Actually my thinking was to mimic the rounds with the 3min exercise followed by a 1min rest. The excersises I picked would tax the body more than can be expected in a fight. I was thinking this would train the body to deliver max power over the deration of the fight. Just a random thought.

I still like to have my fighters KNOW that they can go TWICE the rounds Duration . Even if its only a Psychological advantadge , its a MAJOR one . You can let EVERYTHIGN fly if you KNOW that there is NO WAY that you will EVER fatigue during the match . Making the exercises Doubly Hard on TOP of that is in the same Phlosophical Mindset .

 

[Judo Tom]

yeah you have to mix up the time levels and intensity

you need both short burst drills and long endurance drills as well regardless how long your matches are because you never know when you will need a quick burst of power it could be 20secs into a match or 20mins?

 

[Kane Fan]

i used to think the same thing that weights were just good for stength and power UNTIL i started doing that circuit routine...

also my matches can go pretty long and w/o breaks as well..

also in some judo tournaments they have like a winner stays on style so you can fight like 5matches in a row w/ no rest..

now that shit would be a pain in the ass

 

[Kane Fan]

my friend used to have people do some cardio (something high intensity effort wise) then do pad work or spar or throw shots etc so that they would get used to working tired
it helped them late rounds and I would imagine would help even in early rounds when youare not tired

 

[USMC fighter]

I like to keep my rest between sets to less than 30 secs, to squeeze a little more cardio into the mix. After my weight workout ill take a small break, drink some water than get in atleast 40 mins of cardio, keeping my heart rate above 170 bpm. After that ill cool down buy hitting the heavy bag, then kicking the speed bag. This routine has kept my bodyweight at 155, eating pretty anything i want. Anyway, give it a shot, you might like it