this may be my last post....

[nygiants]

broke my leg over the weekend. surgery scheduled for this AM. Performed the blood work the day of. surgery canceled. reason? Abnormally high red blood count. going back and forth as to why. I knew why. Last shot was 2 weeks ago. #s off. AAS causes high red blood count. in front of my wife and mother i basically admitted my use. Neither knew. getting hell right now. When we got home she demanded to know where my stash was. I had to tell her. In the garbage now. My mother is now sending me links of the harmful side affects of steroids. Telling me things I can already write a book on.

and now im sitting here with a broken leg that requires surgery and they wont operate on me (fear of clots). My blood count could be high for a month of more.

 

[viczeva]

bro that sucks... i hope it all works out for you. try explaining to the fam the real side of steroids, maybe they wont be so quick to judge once they understand them. best of luck!

 

[stevesmi]

correct AAS use raises RBC and also throws off kidney values.

not sure why some people on here want to insist AAS use doesn't have consequences

thats why people need to cycle off .. let the body recover and breathe

 

[wcjcMr.O]

damn dude im sorry to hear that, that sucks. just try and show them that your WELL EDUCATED on the subject and know the risks involved. NOT that your D*** will shrink and the regular bull that most people "KNOW" to be true. It will take a while for them to come around but you have to TEACH them what it really does, how it works, how it makes you feel, that your doing it as safely as possible. They should come around eventually. Have them watch "bigger stronger faster", I did that one to my mom, lol she was more understanding after seeing some LEADING experts in the world on AAS saying that it can be done safely. good luck man. hope all ends well

 

[viczeva]

damn dude im sorry to hear that, that sucks. just try and show them that your WELL EDUCATED on the subject and know the risks involved. NOT that your D*** will shrink and the regular bull that most people "KNOW" to be true. It will take a while for them to come around but you have to TEACH them what it really does, how it works, how it makes you feel, that your doing it as safely as possible. They should come around eventually. Have them watch "bigger stronger faster", I did that one to my mom, lol she was more understanding after seeing some LEADING experts in the world on AAS saying that it can be done safely. good luck man. hope all ends well

thats a good documentary!

 

[nygiants]

try educating a woman who wants to rip your head off who doesn't want to hear shit about anything. We had the "educational" convo 3 years ago. It was a reasonable convo but the outcome was...."if i find out your doing it im not gonna be happy"

well here we are.

still not sure what im gonna do about this leg. I havent formally admitted to a doc...nothing documented about steroid use. i heard it can be a bad thing that follows you around. So when i go back to the doc to do more blood work im gonna say i took some over the counter natural test boosters...not steroids.

 

[viczeva]

try educating a woman who wants to rip your head off who doesn't want to hear shit about anything. We had the "educational" convo 3 years ago. It was a reasonable convo but the outcome was...."if i find out your doing it im not gonna be happy"

well here we are.

still not sure what im gonna do about this leg. I havent formally admitted to a doc...nothing documented about steroid use. i heard it can be a bad thing that follows you around. So when i go back to the doc to do more blood work im gonna say i took some over the counter natural test boosters...not steroids.

blame it on some otc pro hormones...

 

[HAYEZ]

just go donate double red blood cells and you will be in range within a day...dont tell ur doc just go find a donor site at red cross do it and have him recheck you..problem solved

 

[HAYEZ]

oh and go get that shit out the garbage and tell ur wife to suck it...I was once told roids ruined me and now im a asshole hahaha i choose juice over a vagina...sorry but there is plenty of vaginas but my aas is limited and costs to much to toss hahaha

 

[RADAR]

I agree get that stuff outta the garbage and at least send it to me!

 

[firetruck]

That's seriously shit luck man,my wife wasn't too happy when I told her I was usin aas,but she sure as hell wouldn't have thrown my stash in the garbage

 

[Essie]

Ah man! Shit luck, sorry Bro! Hope everything works out for the better though. It took me some time to educate my wife on AAS ... and the times she refused to listen I SMACKED THAT BITCH INTO A SITTING POSTION WITH EARS OPEN AND MOUTH SHUT!!!!! Nah, seriously, though, I made her listen to how it can be used safely ... shit man, she smoked the better part of 50 sigarettes a day which is a helluva lot worse for your health. Eventually she began to understand how it works and "allowed" me to have it.

Best of luck to ya Bro!

 

[stevesmi]

I think its a good lesson.. before you marry someone make sure they understand AAS. cause they will definately hold it against you if you guys end up getting divorced.

 

[25homes]

Send your mom some links to some real info...good luck bro and bribe your wife with good info and the fact you give her serious dick cause of test

 

[nygiants]

just got back from their recommended hematologist. she said the docs over reacted and should have performed the surgery. she re ran the blood work, results tomorrow, but regardless she will recommending surgery. I told her i was taking things to enhance my test levels. I admitted without admitting...she got my drift. She also mentioned that she had a patient taking Tamoxifen (novla) and that is known to enhance red blood cells. I told her i was taking 20mg a day...but last pill was fri. she said i should be good since a week passed.

so as it turns out i didnt have to say anything.

Anyway i think its time. Im 40, trying to get my wife pregnant and my injuries do not allow me to lift the kind of weight the juice allows for. Im in constant pain and this shit is kinda running my life. I just need to find away to deal with being natural. I tried and i was miserable. guess i need to try harder

 

[WinnyPumps]

just got back from their recommended hematologist. she said the docs over reacted and should have performed the surgery. she re ran the blood work, results tomorrow, but regardless she will recommending surgery. I told her i was taking things to enhance my test levels. I admitted without admitting...she got my drift. She also mentioned that she had a patient taking Tamoxifen (novla) and that is known to enhance red blood cells. I told her i was taking 20mg a day...but last pill was fri. she said i should be good since a week passed.

so as it turns out i didnt have to say anything.

Anyway i think its time. Im 40, trying to get my wife pregnant and my injuries do not allow me to lift the kind of weight the juice allows for. Im in constant pain and this shit is kinda running my life. I just need to find away to deal with being natural. I tried and i was miserable. guess i need to try harder

I'm not sure about what kind of cycles or dosages you were taking in the past but if I were you I would just go natural for a while (hmg, daa, clomid for sperm count, hcgenerate) to get your wife pregnant then just stay on an hrt dose of 200mg test a week. Just try to stay in shape and don't let yourself go and get fat and miserable like 90% of america.

 

[EarthRider]

just go donate double red blood cells and you will be in range within a day...dont tell ur doc just go find a donor site at red cross do it and have him recheck you..problem solved

Your back and shoulders are sick, I know it has nothing to do with thread, just felt you needed to know that. Nice work

To other guy, your right education is not going to happen right now. Just give her some time, and then have a serious chat about it. Good luck bro.

 

[CORRUPT COP]

Good luck bro and I wish you only the best.

 

[searay]

after your surgery and youve been off for a few weeks have your primary doc check your test levels and if your natural levels are below normal you could qualify for doc prescribed hrt. could be the answer to your wanting to juice problems.

 

[conundrum]

Keep you chin up bro..some people say everything happens for a reason. How did you break your leg?

 

[Nelson Montana]

correct AAS use raises RBC and also throws off kidney values.

not sure why some people on here want to insist AAS use doesn't have consequences

thats why people need to cycle off .. let the body recover and breathe

Agree 100%.

But it's time to deal with the problem at hand. Get well soon bro.

 

[nygiants]

i broke it snowboarding (wife's idea...ironic how it turned out). I was on this thing for 10 seconds and pop. Long story short this instructor fucked up and im suing the shit out of them. There is a beginners technique called "skating", where you push it like a skateboard on flat ground so u can get used to balance. So you have one foot in and one out. This guy got us on a hill, not steep, but steep enough for me to generate a good 15-20MPH with one foot off the board. My very first time stepping foot on a board, i stand up with one foot locked in, the instructor stood in front of the board and i was off....about 30ft later i fell, the fall was fine....but since I only had one foot locked on to the board, the board went one way, I went the other. I heard 2 load pops......i was hoping it was ligaments. Turned out to be Fibula. Right (driving) foot, so Im screwed for driving now for 6 weeks.


Just so you are all aware, as some of you on this thread have confirmed, juicing will bump up your red blood cell count. and what ive learned is this...

Docs will not operate on you under this condition unless its an emergency. They did not consider my surgery an emergency which is why they postponed it. And the reason why they are concerned is because during even a basic procedure you can get a blood clot, have a stroke or worse.

So i have my wife and mom yelling at me now saying things like what if you were in a car accident and you had to have emergency surgery and I had a stroke on the table and i became a vegetable.

What can I say to that? They are 100% correct.

I did all the right things while on to counteract sides. anti-Es, liver pills, saw palmetto, milk thistle, ate and drank properly. HCG during and proper PCT at the end. I prepare like you all do. Buy I think this is the one thing we dont think of. It would have to be the perfect storm right? Your juicing, you have a high red blood count, you get into a car accident, its an emergency so they perform the surgery, you have a stroke on the table.

Highly unlikely scenario? yes. Possible though.

Anyway, I have to find another way now. Yes i will get my test levels checked after im cleaned up. Ive had them tested before, they were low. maybe I can get a test cream for that little boost. My friend uses it. he no longer trains but he is still vascular.

What are some of the best natural supps out there. legal over the counter?

FYI, I had the surgery this morning. Im writing this thread at 345am eastern cause im in excruciating pain (to be expected) and cant sleep.

 

[firetruck]

Hey bro,hope u get well soon. Your wife and mother are scaremongering,what if u were in a smash,what if u needed emergency surgery,what if u got a blood clot or stroke!!! U could get run over crossing the street,u could slip in the bath hit ur head and drown,u could get struck by lightning,or contract any one of a multitude of illnesses. If u thought that way u would never do anything or leave ur house(a plane could crash into ur house lol)
As I said in this thread,my wife wasn't happy when she found out about me and aas,but if u let them tell u what to do u will always be doing it. IMO,as I don't know ur situation,that's just what I think. She knows a lot more about aas now(especially when I got my libido back from 20 years ago lol)
U can go thru life takin no risks,but how boring! And no one gets out alive

 

[nygiants]

firetruck, i hear you loud and clear...you sound like me when i give this type of advice to others....when my mother got home she started sending me and my wife links about the bad that steroids can do. I told her to stop and put and end to that bullshit quick.

I agree about living life....that's why I did it on an off for as long as I did without an real issues. I am not one to be told what to do.

For me, right now I think its time to stop. i just turned 40 in January, Im on marriage #2 and I want kids. so i think its time for some normalcy.

 

[firetruck]

If it's what u want to do then it's for the rite reason, good luck,hope ur back on ur feet soon bro

 

[EarthRider]

Good luck bro, and good luck with your wife. She doesn't care about all the stuff that says juice is ok, she is just reacting this way because she cares about you. Good luck with everything and get recovered. SUcks about the snowboarding too.

 

[nygiants]

thoughts on Androderm?

i have a friend who uses it, doesn't train anymore but stays lean and vascular. I tested 2x for low test. i think I can get a script.

Also PM me if you know where to get it without sript.

 

[digit0x]

damn dude im sorry to hear that, that sucks. just try and show them that your WELL EDUCATED on the subject and know the risks involved. NOT that your D*** will shrink and the regular bull that most people "KNOW" to be true. It will take a while for them to come around but you have to TEACH them what it really does, how it works, how it makes you feel, that your doing it as safely as possible. They should come around eventually. Have them watch "bigger stronger faster", I did that one to my mom, lol she was more understanding after seeing some LEADING experts in the world on AAS saying that it can be done safely. good luck man. hope all ends well

Yea I try this to no avail.

You're going to just have to stand your ground. A man makes his own choices.

 

[chesty]

Well, that blows, but they will come around. Try explaining how many people die from aspirin use each year or ibuprofen. Point them to all the sites that talk about the real side effects, etc.