There never was a Jesus

[c-sharp minor]

I thought it had been proved that a person named Jesus existed. I always thought the big controversy was over what he actually accomplished and that most of the bible stories were exaggerated or wrongly translated. Then there are the other religions who believe in Jesus, but just say he wasn't Christ, just a dude.

This is something I am more apt to believe. ('cept the actual name)

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Personally, I do not judge those of you who do not accept Christ. I am a Christian, and have personal reasons for believing. The choice to believe in what you will, or even to chose to believe in nothing is a choice that each of us must make for themselves. Many Christians have told you that you are a bad person or are going to hell for not believing as we do, but that is not what the Bible teaches. Christ taught tolerance and forgiveness. We are commanded to walk among non-believers and talk to them about to gospel, but we are not to judge others , or seperate ourselves from non-believers. The "holier than thou" attitude that alot of us possess today is the same hypocrisy that He spoke against, and the same attitude that led them to crucify Him.

 

[VascularRocks]

for the atheists of the board. I suggest this book written by Lee Strobel
"The Case For Christ: A Journalist's Personal Investigation of the Evidence for Jesus."

Lee Strobel was an atheist, and editor for a major newspaper, compelled to prove Jesus was a fake. After traveling the world over and looking at the evidence, found the truth. Great book!

 

[redshirt27se]

Its one thing to exaggerate stories, but I mean make up a guy completely? If thats the case you would have to discount a lot of history as well. Just because you cannot prove something 100% doesnt mean it should be treated as false. Everything starts out as a theory until proven fact, but we don't treat all theories as false.

 

[VascularRocks]

jesus may have been a real person, who knows. but voices speaking from the sky and all sorts of other stories in the bible that claim devine intervention and what not...honestly, if half those stories were true, don't you think that someone would've stepped in before/during/after 9/11 and taken care of some problems? and what about all the wars we've fought?

I thought this was an interesting response,

Billy Graham's daughter was interviewed on the Early Show and Jane Clayson
asked her "How could God let something like this happen?" (regarding the attacks
on Sept. 11).

Anne Graham gave an extremely profound and insightful response. She said "I
believe God is deeply saddened by this, just as we are, but for years we've
been telling God to get out of our schools, to get out of our government
and to get out of our lives.

And being the gentleman He is, I believe He has calmly backed out. How can
we expect God to give us His blessing and His protection if we demand He
leave us alone?"

In light of recent events...terrorists attack, school shootings, etc. I think it started when Madeleine Murray O'Hare (she was murdered, her body found recently) complained she didn't want prayer in our schools, and we said OK.

Then someone said you better not read the Bible in school . the Bible says thou shalt
not kill, thou shalt not steal, and love your neighbor as ourself. And we said OK.

Then Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children when they
misbehave because their little personalities would be warped and we might
damage their self-esteem (Dr. Spock's son committed suicide). We said an
expert should know what he's talking about. And we said OK.

Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why they
don't know right from wrong, and why it doesn't bother them to kill
strangers, their classmates, and themselves.

Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can figure it out.
I think it has a great deal to do with "WE REAP WHAT WE SOW."

 

[Moderate_THIS]

please be original though. dont make it something about aliens or something

or karma

 

[Forge]

I personally believe that Jesus did exist, but that he was simply a man and not the son of God. I think he was a Jewish King who became a great leader, so great that the Romans felt it necessary to crucify him. After his death, his legend grew and became more than it originally was. In other words, exaggerated. Eventually this supernatural Jesus was used as the basis for Christianity. Having the son of God as your messiah is alot more powerful than having a Jewish King as the messiah.

Most of Christianity is pieced together from various other religions, including much of Jesus' own life history.

 

[juiceddreadlocks]

worst thread ever.

 

[justyxxxx]

"Get out of our lives" - how many Christians are there? Millions and they're not saying this! Using this logic, couldn't they have done something to stop this since they are the majority?

Religious discussions get so boring and responses like hers just don't make any sense to those of us who see a large number of everyday Christians making hateful and ignorant statements everyday. There are plenty of Christians in the world and I don't know who she is trying to get to believe that there aren't.

What about when Christians were beating black people before these "new laws"? What about Christians killing witches before these "new laws"? What about World War I and II? Were the majority of Christians pushing God out of there lives then?

This statement doesn't seem interesting at all to me . . . and I'm trying to be as nice as possible when saying that.

I thought this was an interesting response,

Billy Graham's daughter was interviewed on the Early Show and Jane Clayson
asked her "How could God let something like this happen?" (regarding the attacks
on Sept. 11).

Anne Graham gave an extremely profound and insightful response. She said "I
believe God is deeply saddened by this, just as we are, but for years we've
been telling God to get out of our schools, to get out of our government
and to get out of our lives.

And being the gentleman He is, I believe He has calmly backed out. How can
we expect God to give us His blessing and His protection if we demand He
leave us alone?"

In light of recent events...terrorists attack, school shootings, etc. I think it started when Madeleine Murray O'Hare (she was murdered, her body found recently) complained she didn't want prayer in our schools, and we said OK.

Then someone said you better not read the Bible in school . the Bible says thou shalt
not kill, thou shalt not steal, and love your neighbor as ourself. And we said OK.

Then Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children when they
misbehave because their little personalities would be warped and we might
damage their self-esteem (Dr. Spock's son committed suicide). We said an
expert should know what he's talking about. And we said OK.

Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why they
don't know right from wrong, and why it doesn't bother them to kill
strangers, their classmates, and themselves.

Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can figure it out.
I think it has a great deal to do with "WE REAP WHAT WE SOW."

 

[Burning_Inside]

I believe in cold hard facts. The total lack of regards religious people have for facts such as those in the links given above gets to me. Mountains and mountains of evidence. Yet they still believe. Ugh. I think 90% of people who are religious never did one second's worth of research into this whole mess to even bother to find out of what they believe in is REALLY true. That's sad how blind some people can be. Then they sometimes will have the nerve to attempt to argue about it with you. All they know is what they've been told, which sadly, is often nothing but "god made everything, jesus died for your sins." Wow. Rarely will you ever run into a believer anymore who has even read, nevermind comprehended the book they bae their beliefs around. Sheep indeed. Even those who did do their homework into their religion..They refuse to look at the logical side of it all; the mass amounts of evidence supporting the views that there is no god, no Jesus, etc. It's like some people just refuse to even try and comprehend there is no jesus or god, and that everything was made by something far greater than any human could ever imagine at the time this chrstianity stuff was written.