The Truth abou ANWR.

[Megalomaniac]

that doesn't tell me the scale of the project, only the area to be drilled. What is the time to setup, drill, transport, etc. I asumme its going to take months if not years.

It would already be done if the Dems wouldn't have blocked it. Right now the US would be looking like it had things figured out instead of reeling all the time because a few people want to feel important and good about themselves.

 

[Lestat]

It would already be done if the Dems wouldn't have blocked it. Right now the US would be looking like it had things figured out instead of reeling all the time because a few people want to feel important and good about themselves.

I say the same thing about alernative energy sources. Why aren't we further along there? Why is TOYOTA making the most popular hybrid and not GM, Ford, Chevy...

 

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Lestat. When was the last time you observed a drilling operation?

 

[Lestat]

Lestat. When was the last time you observed a drilling operation?

never in person, only on TV, movies, print media, etc.

 

[Megalomaniac]

I say the same thing about alernative energy sources. Why aren't we further along there? Why is TOYOTA making the most popular hybrid and not GM, Ford, Chevy...

Money. Provide a way for companies to make money and the capitalist market will make it happen. Desire is the answer, there hasn't been a big enough desire for it to happen.

Drilling on the other hand isn't because of lack of desire, it is because of uneducated in that field people wanting to feel good about themselves and thinking they are making the world a better place by kicking and screaming when they really don't even understand what they are screaming about. There self-righteousness is hurting more than helping but that is America.

 

[Lestat]

Money. Provide a way for companies to make money and the capitalist market will make it happen. Desire is the answer, there hasn't been a big enough desire for it to happen.

Drilling on the other hand isn't because of lack of desire, it is because of uneducated in that field people wanting to feel good about themselves and thinking they are making the world a better place by kicking and screaming when they really don't even understand what they are screaming about. There self-righteousness is hurting more than helping but that is America.

Exactly why I don't think pure capitalism is an effective long term solution for humans. It can ultimately be self destructive.

 

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never in person, only on TV, movies, print media, etc.

Well I've seen a drilling operation up and running in one day. The rig was moved out on to out spread while we were still taking readings. The vibrations from their activities were screwing up our readings so we had to radio them and ask them to stop until we were done.

Once we know where the oil is its not difficult to get it. We're talking 6 months.

I would like to reiterate that this is not a thread about oil or drilling. Its about global political corruption. They already know where the oil is.

 

[Megalomaniac]

Exactly why I don't think pure capitalism is an effective long term solution for humans. It can ultimately be self destructive.

True but it is the best thing we have going right now. Until something better evolves I will support capitalism to the fullest, it has brought more good than bad.
I just hope we can stay ahead of these asian nations, they are on the move big time. Arab nations have oil but that is it. It is easy to defeat them if it comes to that point. The asian nations have what it takes to defeat us, education, work force and leadership. I think ANWR needs to be worked for the nations benefit.

 

[mountain muscle]

Money. Provide a way for companies to make money and the capitalist market will make it happen. Desire is the answer, there hasn't been a big enough desire for it to happen.

Drilling on the other hand isn't because of lack of desire, it is because of uneducated in that field people wanting to feel good about themselves and thinking they are making the world a better place by kicking and screaming when they really don't even understand what they are screaming about. There self-righteousness is hurting more than helping but that is America.

You lost me on this post. Are you saying people who drill are uneducated and want to drill to feel good about themselves? Are you calling me uneducated?
Did you know that the govt makes almost twice the money off of oil revenues than the oil companies do?

Self righteous is bitching about oil companies and drilling and claiming we need to stop drilling for alt fuel sources when there is no infrastructure in place to use alt fuels. Those are the people who are bitching and feeling good about themselves while not doing anything to make the world a better place.

 

[jerseyrugger76]

I don't really have a position on ANWAR per se. Ann said it looked an awful lot like the moon and the Caribou seemed to enjoy the warmth. The pics seem to support that claim. Note I get all of my conservative info from Ann. She's the only one of you louts who's smart, hysterically funny, and easy on the eyes. She also has a phenomenal recipe for braised English short ribs. Anywho . . .

I've heard quotes that it will take 5 to 10 years (leaning towards 10) to get the oil from ANWAR into the markets. Let's assume 5 years. Markets look approximately 6 to 12 months into the future. So, it's not going to do shit for me today, as an investor or a consumer.

Let's assume that we do it anyway and drill 5 years from now. What then? Isn't it like saying to someone, "You know, since you're a smack addict, we'll fix the problem by giving you more heroin! Everything will be all better then."

Oil will never go away as an energy source. With oil sands in places like Canada, I don't think it should. But where is the comprehensive solution that is one part oil, one part wind, one part ethanol, one part solar, one part international relations, one part nuclear power (France gets about 82% of their power from nuclear sources, I'd do the same in a heart beat), and one part research (e.g. turning ocean wave motion into energy)? It's like solving a calculus equation subject to a constraint (the availability of oil).

Everyone is talking in false dichotomies: anwar or no anwar; oil or no oil. And it's total bullshit. You could drill from ANWAR to the center of the earth, but unless you take a holistic approach to solving the problem, it will never end.