Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below *shrug* I don't read that forum. Like I said, I was an ignorant bonehead a few months ago, and while I am still a bonehead, I am far less ignorant. I learned everything I know from here. Didn't cost me a penny either. I wouldn't have anything against biotest if one of their products didn't fuck me up. It is their right to charge whatever they want for their products. But just because they throw you a few bones on their forum, doesn't mean I have to emulate them as some kind of model of business.
The Ten Biggest Frauds In Bodybuilding
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SupraHero said:
You took the words right out of my mouth bro.
And Naeblis got it right -- you can buy any of the ingredients that Biotest uses for half the price anywhere else, starting with Protein Factory.
PDOG. I think I know a little more about T-mag than you do. (Unless you're Chris Shugart, alias "Lil" TC) And no I wouldn't put down Charles Poliquin- especially since we were fired at the same time in part for not agreeing to go along with the line of bogus supplements .
I can't say where else you can get a better price on supplements comparable to Myostatin or Methoxy 7. I have no idea what a pile of horseshit goes for these days.
Nelson Montana said:
As someone who has lost over 130 lbs on a low-carb diet, I certainly disagree that it is unhealthy. All my blood indicators have improved noticably, along with everyone one else I know doing it. And I have yet to see any documentation that results are any less "lasting" than any other type of diet. Nelson is clearly talking out his ass on this one.....
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AAP said:
exactly
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It's idiotic comments like these that really annoy me.
Dude, you were 130 POUNDS OVERWEIGHT!!! Of course your blood levels were better once you lost the weight. Geez, can't you see that?
And what kind of documentation do you need? Talk to anyone who has done the diet. They almost always gain a good portion of the weight back , unless they continue to train and eat sensibly. That makes the atkins good as a "jump start" as I said.
And yes, on a full time basis, besides being almost impossible to maintain, the keto diet would be extremely unhealthy. Hey, starvation works too. That isn't healthy either. Try to see beyond your nose before making blanket statements.
Shark01 said:
It's idiotic comments like these that really annoy me.
Dude, you were 130 POUNDS OVERWEIGHT!!! Of course your blood levels were better once you lost the weight. Geez, can't you see that?
And what kind of documentation do you need? Talk to anyone who has done the diet. They almost always gain a good portion of the weight back , unless they continue to train and eat sensibly. That makes the atkins good as a "jump start" as I said.
And yes, on a full time basis, besides being almost impossible to maintain, the keto diet would be extremely unhealthy. Hey, starvation works too. That isn't healthy either. Try to see beyond your nose before making blanket statements.
How the hell can you guys leave out Klein Becker (aka-urban technologies,silversage,xantrax, and several other names they use but actually are one company based out of utah) These are the same guys that brought you cutting gel,ripping gel, dermalean and who could forget $100 NIGHTTIME PROTEIN somnabol, nitrovarin etc.....
These motherfuckers sell ECA for $150!!!!! (anorex and leptoprin)
These motherfuckers sell ECA for $150!!!!! (anorex and leptoprin)
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Nelson,
No matter what diet you do, you are gonna gain all the fat back if you pig out at the end. I don't care if the diet is keto, low fat, or some drug assisted diet ... pig out afterwards and you will get fat. No diet kills your ability to gain fat. NONE.
Why is keto unhealthy? Keto was claimed unhealthy when it first came out, A LONG TIME AGO, but now pretty much everyone agrees that it is not any less healthy than any other diet.
So what do you suggest for a diet? Low fat???
Have you actually worked with anyone that was not an ectomorph (unlike yourself). There are so many things to consider here, and even Dan Duchane dismissed keto being unhealthy.
-sk
Nelson Montana said:
Nelson,
No matter what diet you do, you are gonna gain all the fat back if you pig out at the end. I don't care if the diet is keto, low fat, or some drug assisted diet ... pig out afterwards and you will get fat. No diet kills your ability to gain fat. NONE.
Why is keto unhealthy? Keto was claimed unhealthy when it first came out, A LONG TIME AGO, but now pretty much everyone agrees that it is not any less healthy than any other diet.
So what do you suggest for a diet? Low fat???
Have you actually worked with anyone that was not an ectomorph (unlike yourself). There are so many things to consider here, and even Dan Duchane dismissed keto being unhealthy.
-sk
of course you can buy the supps for less money and make your own pwo formula. but i dont see how that makes someone a fraud. have you heard of convenience? we could all build our own houses and rebuild our own car engines for half the price too but most of us dont. why? convenience and lack of knowledge. some people dont want to make their own batch nor do they want to order a big bag of powder from the protein factory.
still i ask, is there a higher quality pwo formula on the market? is there a higher quality multi source protein than grow? is there a pro hormone stronger and more effective than mag-10? is there a better tribulus or fat burning product?
please enlighten me if i am wrong. i dont recieve a paycheck from any supplement company so if there is higher quality stuff out there please tell me i am open to suggestions.
i am not just some guy who rides biotest, i back them up because i believe they make quality products that are better than what others are making.
free online mag that is loaded with great info from some of the biggest names in the industry, free forums with many very knowledgeable contributors including J.B. lonnie lowery, coach davies, chad waterbury, etc. no pressure to purchase any products, what more can one ask for?
the whole point was that TC is a fraud, someone please elaborate on how that is the case?
still i ask, is there a higher quality pwo formula on the market? is there a higher quality multi source protein than grow? is there a pro hormone stronger and more effective than mag-10? is there a better tribulus or fat burning product?
please enlighten me if i am wrong. i dont recieve a paycheck from any supplement company so if there is higher quality stuff out there please tell me i am open to suggestions.
i am not just some guy who rides biotest, i back them up because i believe they make quality products that are better than what others are making.
free online mag that is loaded with great info from some of the biggest names in the industry, free forums with many very knowledgeable contributors including J.B. lonnie lowery, coach davies, chad waterbury, etc. no pressure to purchase any products, what more can one ask for?
the whole point was that TC is a fraud, someone please elaborate on how that is the case?
