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sk* said:
Anyone who lived in So Cal back in the 80's could talk to him. All you had to do was say, "I want to buy steroids" when you saw him and he'd sell them to you out of the back of his car. He'd make trips to Mexico and sell AS in So Cal.
The Ten Biggest Frauds In Bodybuilding
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Anyone who lived in So Cal back in the 80's could talk to him. All you had to do was say, "I want to buy steroids" when you saw him and he'd sell them to you out of the back of his car. He'd make trips to Mexico and sell AS in So Cal.
I guess we have to include Jeff Everson in the Phillips, Connelly triangle. He was there from the beginning touting the remarkable effects of Met-rx and was supposedly one of the first users of it. Remember the before and after pics of him? He had to have some kind of financial involvment as well.
Not a bad place to be, tbh. When that stuff first came out, remember it came in two containers--Base and Plus--and a months supply of it (using 2-3 servings a day) would cost something like 4-500 bucks. It calculated out to about 5 bucks a serving, if I remember right. Outrageous. Met-rx has made a lot of people very rich over the years.
BTW, Phillips and Everson were schucking Met-rx before Muscle Media. BP had a monthly (bimonthly, quarterly, I don't remember) newsletter that was basically and ad for Met-rx way before MM came out. Everson would write little articles telling how great it was. Bill is a smart guy--he knew exactly what his plan was years before most people ever heard of him.
And even though it was to further his own financial gain by doing so, I think Phillips did a lot for supplements as well. Granted, not everything his companies put out is worth a shit but what I mean is I think he pulled us out of the smilax, inosine, amino fuel era. Met-rx is a good product and made way for similar products we have now. Creatine has been around forever now, but it was, and still is, maybe the best bang for the buck in supplements.
Phillips didn't invent it, but he brought it main stream. He also brought E/C/A out in the open when most people had no idea.
So yeah, he is a sell out and a friggin' gazillionaire because of it, but he did contribute positively at one point. Between that and like Nelson said, the drug knowledge...I don't think he's all bad. Just mostly.
Not a bad place to be, tbh. When that stuff first came out, remember it came in two containers--Base and Plus--and a months supply of it (using 2-3 servings a day) would cost something like 4-500 bucks. It calculated out to about 5 bucks a serving, if I remember right. Outrageous. Met-rx has made a lot of people very rich over the years.
BTW, Phillips and Everson were schucking Met-rx before Muscle Media. BP had a monthly (bimonthly, quarterly, I don't remember) newsletter that was basically and ad for Met-rx way before MM came out. Everson would write little articles telling how great it was. Bill is a smart guy--he knew exactly what his plan was years before most people ever heard of him.
And even though it was to further his own financial gain by doing so, I think Phillips did a lot for supplements as well. Granted, not everything his companies put out is worth a shit but what I mean is I think he pulled us out of the smilax, inosine, amino fuel era. Met-rx is a good product and made way for similar products we have now. Creatine has been around forever now, but it was, and still is, maybe the best bang for the buck in supplements.
Phillips didn't invent it, but he brought it main stream. He also brought E/C/A out in the open when most people had no idea.
So yeah, he is a sell out and a friggin' gazillionaire because of it, but he did contribute positively at one point. Between that and like Nelson said, the drug knowledge...I don't think he's all bad. Just mostly.
pyrros dimas
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P-DOG said:
Yeah right! MAG-10 yielding 10 lbs. of LBM or even 10 lbs. of weight gain. Let me throw out my D-Bol and run out to GNC to pick up my MAG-10! What I have been missing? What have I been waiting for?
Get a life! MAG-10 isn't even 1/100 as Anabolic as D-Bol you fool!
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You're the idiot who made the statement that it is an unhealthy diet.......if that's the case, my health would have declined in the past year and a half instead of improved despite the weight loss (ie heart valve problems with phen-fen). And going on someone elses point, give us an example of a better diet and we'll look into it......you could always go with the shameless PF plug ALL MRP diet
And what documentation do I need? More than the stupid one line statement you gave. Look, you may have some gear knowledge, but even the morons at Biotest didn't have you write about diet subjects
Nelson Montana said:
You're the idiot who made the statement that it is an unhealthy diet.......if that's the case, my health would have declined in the past year and a half instead of improved despite the weight loss (ie heart valve problems with phen-fen). And going on someone elses point, give us an example of a better diet and we'll look into it......you could always go with the shameless PF plug ALL MRP diet
And what documentation do I need? More than the stupid one line statement you gave. Look, you may have some gear knowledge, but even the morons at Biotest didn't have you write about diet subjects
pyrros dimas
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Also P-DOG, the amino ccid profile of canned tuna in spring water and any given chicken breast is 90% similar to any of Biotest's protein formulas. I could eat chicken and tuna all day long (gram for gram) in place of Biotest's (or any other protein supplement) protein and still get the EXACT, SAME RESULTS. You big supplement companies rest on the lie that protein through real foods ins't 'good enough' and that you need to supplement with an MRP or protein powder supplement. Fucking liars.
With the excepction of many 'micronutrients' (one's you need to get often times through vitamin and mineral supplementation in pill form), you can get all of the 'macronutrients' you need by eating a healthy diet devoid of MRP and protein supplements.
I am sick of everyone pushing MRP's and protein supplements acting like you cannot get 'enough' protein (i.e 'macronutrients') from real food...
With the excepction of many 'micronutrients' (one's you need to get often times through vitamin and mineral supplementation in pill form), you can get all of the 'macronutrients' you need by eating a healthy diet devoid of MRP and protein supplements.
I am sick of everyone pushing MRP's and protein supplements acting like you cannot get 'enough' protein (i.e 'macronutrients') from real food...
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pyrros, i never said you need to go out and by these supps. i like you would rather eat my calories also. i never said that you have to go by these supps. all that i am saying is that Biotest makes quality supps and they are not frauds.
i dont use all the powders nor andro products, i make my own post workout formula and get the rest of my cals from clean foods. however if i were to need an mrp it would be grow. if i needed an andro product it would be mag-10. like i said they are not frauds they are not selling you somthing that doesnt do what it is supposed to.
also i said 10 lbs and 70% lbm not 10 lbs lbm.
it is quite clear that no one is choosing to refute my point about t-mag being the most informative free sight in the industry.
lumberg, 1-ad is a good product, do you have any idea what is in mag-10?
i dont use all the powders nor andro products, i make my own post workout formula and get the rest of my cals from clean foods. however if i were to need an mrp it would be grow. if i needed an andro product it would be mag-10. like i said they are not frauds they are not selling you somthing that doesnt do what it is supposed to.
also i said 10 lbs and 70% lbm not 10 lbs lbm.
it is quite clear that no one is choosing to refute my point about t-mag being the most informative free sight in the industry.
lumberg, 1-ad is a good product, do you have any idea what is in mag-10?
