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*The Perpetual Muscle Mass EXPLOSION: Pre-PCT(Active Recovery), Bridging & Cruising*

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1968Charger said:
hey thanks but i only have enough tbol for 40mg for 30 days or so :( and what do think i should do about my pct .some say at the end of a cycle and some say to do it in small doses from the middle to the end then up the hcg?? and i have read your posts .i have hcg and novadex and thanks again
HCG is often used in combination with anabolic/androgenic steroids during treatment. oral and injectable steroids cause a negative feedback after a certain level and duration of usage. A signal is sent to the hypothalamohypophysial testicular axis since the steroids give the hypothalamus an incorrect signal. The hypothalamus, in turn, signals the hypophysis to reduce or stop the production of FSH (follicle stimulating hormone) and of LH. Thus, the testosterone production decreases since the testosterone-producing Leydig's cells in the testes, due to decreased LH, are no longer sufficiently stimulated. Since the body usually needs a certain amount of time to get its testosterone production going again, the athlete, after discontinuing steroid compounds, experiences a difficult transition phase which often goes hand in hand with a considerable loss in both strength and muscle mass. Administering HCG during steroid treatment helps to reduce this condition because HCG increases the testosterone production in the testes very quickly and reliably. In the event of testicular atrophy caused by megadoses and very long periods of usage, HCG also helps to quickly bring the testes back to their original condition (size). Since occasional injections of HCG during steroid intake can avoid a testicular atrophy, many athletes use HCG during in middle of their steroid treatment till the end. It is often observed that during this time the athlete makes his best progress with respect to gains in both strength and muscle mass. The reasons for this is clear. . Many bodybuilders, powerlifters, and weightlifters report a lower sex drive,A reduced libido and spermatogenesis due to steroids in most cases, this can be successfully cured by treatment with HCG during cycle

Most athletes, use HCG during treatment in order to avoid a "crash," that is, to achieve the best possible transition into "natural training.



unfortunately it is not a perfect remedy to prevent the loss of strength and mass at the end of a steroid treatment. The athlete will only experience a delayed re-adjustment, as has often been observed. Although HCG does stimulate endogenous testosterone production, it does not help in reestablishing the normal hypothalamic/pituitary testicular axis at the end of a cycle. hypothalamus and pituitary are still in a refractory state after prolonged steroid usage, and remain this way while HCG is being used because the endogenous testosterone produced as a result of the exogenous HCG represses the endogenous LH production. Once the HCG is discontinued, the athlete must still go through a re-adjustment period. For this reason experienced athletes should use dermacrin sustain following HCG intake for a powerful LH & FSH release, therefore providing more powerful stimulation of the bodies own testosterone production from the testis,and preventing testosterone and androstenedione from interacting with aromatase and converting to estradiol and estrone.ingredients in the Phyto-AI blend help enhance fertility, by eliciting a positive response on the hypothalamus, pituitary, testicular axis (HPTA).5,6 Meaning, the Phyto-AI blend increases lutienizing hormone (LH) and follicle stimulating hormone (FSH) release from the pituitary. As most of you know, these are the hormones sent from the brain that trigger testosterone production and spermatogenesis from the testis. Remember, FSH also sensitizes the testis to the effects of LH by increasing the number of LH receptors in the testis, therefore enhancing testicular sensitivity and increasing the testosterone response.


yaaaaaaaa :)
 
not really what i was looking for, Ross i believe you posted that you only do hcg before pct, i wasnt lookin for a sustain advertisement(do they really not pay you, they should how much you push that stuff), just lookin for someone elses opinion on hcg during long cycles vs just before pct.. i dont see hcg put into any of your cycles of course neither are AIs or other ancilliary drugs but you know what i mean..
 
jmead said:
not really what i was looking for, Ross i believe you posted that you only do hcg before pct, i wasnt lookin for a sustain advertisement(do they really not pay you, they should how much you push that stuff), just lookin for someone elses opinion on hcg during long cycles vs just before pct.. i dont see hcg put into any of your cycles of course neither are AIs or other ancilliary drugs but you know what i mean..

It is a highly debated topic right now. HCG During or HCG after...I was a proponent of POST CYCLE, but new evidence seems to indicate more benefit while ON.

I am in the process of collecting conclusive data.
 
- Ross - said:
It is a highly debated topic right now. HCG During or HCG after...I was a proponent of POST CYCLE, but new evidence seems to indicate more benefit while ON.

I am in the process of collecting conclusive data.

Logically, an AI during a cycle would be better suited to reduce inhibition and speed recovery. However...it may also reduce gains.

My advice is (for now) if you don't need it, don't use it.

As for aesthetic values of having a bigger nut-sack, I've slept with my share of women, and I never met one who thought a huge hanging set of nuts was a particular turn-on.

On steroid.com, I remember one member who used MyoGenX saying that it kept his nuts bigger (CaptainDominate), so that's probably a better option than HCG, by my way of thinking.
 
benefits vs downfalls of hcg DURING vs pre-PCT

im running it during right now, just because i didnt notice how much my nutts shrank until about 3 weeks post cycle when they blew up(that was during my last 18 weeker)

im running test/deca/dbol right now, then test/tren/winny.. i figure ill shut down pretty hard and im hoping to try and avoid a hardcore crash and possibly speed recovery, going to drop the tren out at least 2-3 weeks before coming off, i might try the whole "pre-pct" method to let myself start to recover, i have a shit load of primo coming so well see
 
jmead said:
benefits vs downfalls of hcg DURING vs pre-PCT

im running it during right now, just because i didnt notice how much my nutts shrank until about 3 weeks post cycle when they blew up(that was during my last 18 weeker)

im running test/deca/dbol right now, then test/tren/winny.. i figure ill shut down pretty hard and im hoping to try and avoid a hardcore crash and possibly speed recovery, going to drop the tren out at least 2-3 weeks before coming off, i might try the whole "pre-pct" method to let myself start to recover, i have a shit load of primo coming so well see

I think (?) I was the first person to suggest something called "pre-PCT"...I don't know where Ross has taken the idea after my initial suggestion, but check out what I wrote on it, and see if it makes sense to you.
 
Anthony Roberts said:
I think (?) I was the first person to suggest something called "pre-PCT"...I don't know where Ross has taken the idea after my initial suggestion, but check out what I wrote on it, and see if it makes sense to you.

LOL

Not a contest BUT....:)

I have been preaching Pre-PCT and Active Recovery before ANYONE. I actually invented those TERMS. Nowhere else can you find mention of these TERMS or even concepts.

Before I came along, the DOGMA was "ALL STEROIDS SHUTDOWN THE HPTA!", which is of course, not true.

Anthony, do you have any written material on Pre-PCT or Active Recovery?
 
Re: *The Perpetual Muscle Mass EXPLOSION: Pre-PCT(Active Recovery), Bridging & Cruisi

jmead said:
not really what i was looking for, Ross i believe you posted that you only do hcg before pct, i wasnt lookin for a sustain advertisement(do they really not pay you, they should how much you push that stuff), just lookin for someone elses opinion on hcg during long cycles vs just before pct.. i dont see hcg put into any of your cycles of course neither are AIs or other ancilliary drugs but you know what i mean..
wow bro i guess you did not read what a said....just sawthe derma thing at the end and skipped right over the rest....just use clomid at the end then but 75% of what i said ant even about derma its about hcg on or off cycle.... :rolleyes:
 
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