The Importance Of Steroids

[Anthony Roberts]

Here's one to think about:

You know those "Pro Bodybuilder" workouts you see in the magazines? Guess what? The "workouts" are usually just what pictures came out the best, not what the dude actually does.

 

[D_Mac]

this thread is getting so many dame vews I just have to use it so bare with me here....

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thank you carry on..........

Lol, none too subtle eh needto?...

 

[Mac173]

Okay, it's apparent this thread is now a big wankfest. All it takes is a handful of people to do it everytime. They wait, because they have nothing to contribute -- and when the complaining begins, they jump in. Nobody is really making any sense -- it's all about bitching and trying to find fault and posturing on things they don't even know about. I'm out.

I've said I don;t like locking threads but now I know why it's done.

Lock this baby up. It's done.

Is that for good?
Don't tease me like that.

 

[D_Mac]

Personal experience is so much more relevant that pointing at some genetic freak's achievements, wouldn't you say?

I'd love to know the stats, lifts, titles our experts have. Surely people who 'mod on various boards', who 'matter in their field' and are 'reknown experts', 'published authors' and the like must have built some amazingly impressive physiques themselves with their wealth of knowledge and their years of AAS experience in the trenches.

Ok this is my last post on this thread, I don't really care about anyone involved but the arguments have gotten ridiculous. But before I leave I'm gonna throw my 99 cents out there.

First off, I don't think beyond Steriods is written for a "Pro" anyway, it's probably written for a novice to beginner. Now I don't doubt that there are lots of guys on this board who are knowledgeable as hell, but they haven't put all their beliefs down in a book for someone to follow, AR did. I don't know if it's a good book or not, but honestly as a noob coming to this site with all the arguing and contradicting back and forth by very well meaning, and many times well informed bro's, I would be confused as shit sometimes wading through the arguments to understand what I need to do on cycle or for PCT. Now if there is a book someone can use to look through, learn some of the science, get some interesting views on workouts, cycling and diet, and it all goes together this could be the best thing for a noob. I don't know if the book is good, it could be shit, but if you haven't read it then you don't have the right to talk shit about it.

I agree that AR can be a little crass sometimes and a bit argumentative, and would benefit from using a little more proffesional tone, but honestly he gets attacked so hard on here you can't hear any debate above the bashing by people who really appear to have an agenda and constantly pick fights.

Now maybe AR doesn't know shit and he isn't a good coach. But what really matters is if his ADVICE and COACHING is good or not.

When looking for a coach, I don't measure biceps, I don't look at their 40 yard dash time. I look at their coaching. I have trained at Team Quest, and 4 other gyms. No question Team Quest has the best athletes in the world (one is reigning heavyweight UFC champ and the other just got a challenge match agains Fedor, the reigning pride heavyweight champ (haven't seen results yet)). But when it comes to coaching, I didn't get the best coaching at team quest, I got it at a local gym. The coaches at the local gym are not as good of fighters, no where close, but they are better teachers, and I gained more at the local gym in half the time I was at Quest.

Now a good coach DOES need personal experience. They need to have been involved in the sport. They need an in depth knowledge. But they don't need to be the best at it.

If you don't like AR don't read his shit. If you must put him down then actually attack his teachings you disagree with, don't rant about how he asked "noob questions" 5 years back on some obscure board somewhere. Focus on what he's doing now, and specifically what he teaches that you disagree with.

And if you want anyone to give 2 shits about what you have against him, then articulate it in an intelligent manner instead of unintelligible "pwnage, you suck noobzor!!".

 

[Anthony Roberts]

Ok this is my last post on this thread, I don't really care about anyone involved but the arguments have gotten ridiculous. But before I leave I'm gonna throw my 99 cents out there.

First off, I don't think beyond Steriods is written for a "Pro" anyway, it's probably written for a novice to beginner. Now I don't doubt that there are lots of guys on this board who are knowledgeable as hell, but they haven't put all their beliefs down in a book for someone to follow, AR did. I don't know if it's a good book or not, but honestly as a noob coming to this site with all the arguing and contradicting back and forth by very well meaning, and many times well informed bro's, I would be confused as shit sometimes wading through the arguments to understand what I need to do on cycle or for PCT. Now if there is a book someone can use to look through, learn some of the science, get some interesting views on workouts, cycling and diet, and it all goes together this could be the best thing for a noob. I don't know if the book is good, it could be shit, but if you haven't read it then you don't have the right to talk shit about it.

I agree that AR can be a little crass sometimes and a bit argumentative, and would benefit from using a little more proffesional tone, but honestly he gets attacked so hard on here you can't hear any debate above the bashing by people who really appear to have an agenda and constantly pick fights (CO-BMan and gang).

Now maybe AR doesn't know shit and he isn't a good coach. But what really matters is if his ADVICE and COACHING is good or not.

When looking for a coach, I don't measure biceps, I don't look at they're 40 yard dash time. I look at their coaching. I have trained at Team Quest, and 4 other gyms. No question Team Quest has the best athletes in the world (one is reigning heavyweight UFC champ and the other just got a challenge match agains Fedor, the reigning pride heavyweight champ (haven't seen results yet)). But when it comes to coaching, I didn't get the best coaching at team quest, I got it at a local gym. The coaches at the local gym are not as good of fighters, no where close, but they are better teachers, and I gained more at the local gym in half the time I was at Quest.

Now a good coach DOES need personal experience. They need to have been involved in the sport. They need an in depth knowledge. But they don't need to be the best at it.

If you don't like AR don't read his shit. If you must put him down then actually attack his teachings you disagree with, don't rant about how he asked "noob questions" 5 years back on some obscure board somewhere. Focus on what he's doing now, and specifically what he teaches that you disagree with.

And if you want anyone to give 2 shits about what you have against him, then articulate it in an intelligent manner instead of unintelligible "pwnage, you suck noobzor!!".

It's all that matters, I've often argued.

 

[VooDooChild]

But if you think the biggest guy or the guy who uses the most juice or the guy who is geneticly geared toward being strong is the most qualified person to speak to on training or pharmacology or anything else, you have a lot to learn.

lol.. Last time I checked, I dont see people in the gym running up to the trainer who is 6ft3in and 185lbs asking him for training advice. Im asking or watching the guy who is 6ft3in and 295lbs, 5% bodyfat, and veins popping out of neck.. Most trainers dont know shit anyways. They buy their online certificate for $600 and they think they are qualified.

 

[Anthony Roberts]

lol.. Last time I checked, I dont see people in the gym running up to the trainer who is 6ft3in and 185lbs asking him for training advice. Im asking or watching the guy who is 6ft3in and 295lbs, 5% bodyfat, and veins popping out of neck.. Most trainers dont know shit anyways. They buy their online certificate for $600 and they think they are qualified.

Is Ronnie Coleman bigger than his trainer? I think so, last I checked. Milos Sarcev went to Pat Arnold and Charles Poliquin for training/drug-info and neither are bigger than he is.

But you do have a point..."people in the gym" go to the biggest guy...people who know what they're doing go to the smartest guy.

 

[Nelson Montana]

lol.. Last time I checked, I dont see people in the gym running up to the trainer who is 6ft3in and 185lbs asking him for training advice. Im asking or watching the guy who is 6ft3in and 295lbs, 5% bodyfat, and veins popping out of neck.. Most trainers dont know shit anyways. They buy their online certificate for $600 and they think they are qualified.

Yeah, most trainers are full of shit. But the guy who is 6'3" 295lbs was probably always big. What does he have to teach you about growing?

Does he have insight as to how to be taller? And if he's 5% bf, the advice you'll get is what drugs he's using that haven't killed him yet.

If you want to know how to get bigger, don't ask the biggest guy -- ask the guy who's made the most progress.

 

[needtogetaas]

lol.. Last time I checked, I dont see people in the gym running up to the trainer who is 6ft3in and 185lbs asking him for training advice. Im asking or watching the guy who is 6ft3in and 295lbs, 5% bodyfat, and veins popping out of neck.. Most trainers dont know shit anyways. They buy their online certificate for $600 and they think they are qualified.

yup.......lol& easy sell right here...show some one a big guy and you can sell them any thing....


so your saying you a lemming to advertising then.

 

[Anthony Roberts]

Tony R.

Where did you go to Prison, for how long and what for?

Oh I did 28 months at California Institution for Men, CIM, Chino, California

Maybe you missed me on the boards, oh wait, you were not here then, in fact you have only been here a couple of months.

It's already been answered (partially in this thread). I went for posession/importation of Ecstasy (118 tabs) for 6.5 months. I did my time in New Zealand (where I was living to play rugby), so it's unlikely that you'd know much about the prison I was at.

I don't know if I missed you on the boards, and as for me not being here more than a few months, I came here to make money, and after my first book was already published...so I wasn't here until I thought it was a good place to earn some money...which meant I needed credentials first, as the E-books sold here do better when the author is already known.