The fall of America

[minion]

Budy28 and Nikoli where is your conviction, are you not ready to kill or die for what you believe in?!?!

I follow my orders because I have free will to do so. I do it for even those back home that may not recieve me when or if I return. I know the sacrifices a service member has to make so you can sit back and be judgemental. Its a tough job, tougher than you know. Tough for many multiple reasons. Soon I will find myself in the Gulf ,but I believe that this is necessary.

 

[Citruscide]

We should have just bombed a country we suspected immediately... just to send a message not to fuck with us. Now, like you said, everyone will get the "month to prepair and get out of dodge time".

C

 

[buddy28]

Minion

I admire you for being a service men. Thats something I could never do , disregarding my "moral" convictions.

Im canadian, so be it better or for worse, we dont grow up with the nationalistic fevor thats inherent in American culture. I would like to hope the lack of nationalistic sentiment makes me a more objective person of world events.

There are a couple of reasons why Im apprehensive of killing people in the name of defending a country:

1) I beleive all humans are created by God. That means I beleive that each person is equal to another, no matter what the nationality. If we are all equal -- how can we put a price tag on lives so easily and sacrifice lives for one way of life, over another????

2) Alot of our wars are fought to defend ideological beleifs. Ideological beliefs are usually indirectly determined by the geographic location you were born in. Think about it like this: No one tells God, mother nature, or luck, I want to be born in.........hmmmmm........America!!!! We are born where we are born, and the society we are born into shapes a large part of how we view the world. Since most people beleive their religious and ideological beleifs are "more right" in relation to others in the world, it becomes a pretty arbitrary conclusion that ones beliefs are better than anothers just because of the geographic location a person was born in.

You or I couldve been born just as easily in Afghanistan, or Iraq, and then we'd be watching our mothers, fathers, and children die due to "just" American economic sanctions.

3) This may sound stupid to you all because i know alot of you dont beleive in God. I believe in GOd, and I fear him. This fear makes me question my itchy triggger finger, because I know when I die, Im going to have to justify what Ive done in my life. And I have a feeling God isnt going to say , "its ok you killed innocent people just so you could defend your way of life." Hes going to ask us,
"what makes u think ur own way of life, and your own life is more important than other peoples when I made u all equal??"

and then if we say "Im Amercan!!" He s going to say " I dont care"

At that point were going to stand there with nothing to say. By saying one nations people is expendable to defend the lives of others is basically saying one people is essientially better than anothers. And thats the big lie of nationalism. Im better than you because Im (input any nation here)!!

Of course every war is complex, and some wars are more necessary and clear cut in terms of moral right and wrong (ex WW2). But Im afraid whats going on with Americas "New War" is pretty shaddy. America has been the aggressor and has disregarded human lives to protect its own citizens and worst yet, its citizens standard of living. Now, these terrorists have wronged America by killing american citizens. America was the first to cross the line, and Terrorists returned in kind. No one is right. I think both are wrong.

I dont know. Ive talked enough. Good luck with whatever ur doing.

PS- -- -Not to say Im a rightous person at all, far from it. I just try to treat people equal with understanding

 

[minion]

"1) I beleive all humans are created by God. That means I beleive that each person is equal to another, no matter what the nationality. If we are all equal -- how can we put a price tag on lives so easily and sacrifice lives for one way of life, over another????"
-----Buddy28


I agree partly. Need I remind you I'm sworn to defend all enemies foriegn OR domestic. Why are you having such a hard time seeing clearly?
These people are enemies of humanity and free will you cannot afford the luxury to turn the other cheek.
This isn't about a countries merky past by the way every country has one, its called "Self Preservation, and National Interest".
Sometimes I truley believe good and evil are just matters of perspective, since we are all equal in that perspective. At any rate we must defend ourselves.

 

[minion]

"2) Alot of our wars are fought to defend ideological beleifs. Ideological beliefs are usually indirectly determined by the geographic location you were born in. Think about it like this: No one tells God, mother nature, or luck, I want to be born in.........hmmmmm........America!!!! We are born where we are born, and the society we are born into shapes a large part of how we view the world. Since most people beleive their religious and ideological beleifs are "more right" in relation to others in the world, it becomes a pretty arbitrary conclusion that ones beliefs are better than anothers just because of the geographic location a person was born in.

You or I couldve been born just as easily in Afghanistan, or Iraq, and then we'd be watching our mothers, fathers, and children die due to "just" American economic sanctions."
-----Buddy28


I applaude your attempt to look at the bigger picture, nevertheless there is a bigger picture still.
For example take away all ideology, and accusations of jingoism. We are still left with the task of "self preservation".
You argument may have worked had the topic been racism or religion. However we are being targeted simply because our system is the New World Order and it only works for those that relinquish old tired ignorant practices.
America is more than a country, it is a concept, an idea. One nation under God, indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all.

 

[minion]

"3) This may sound stupid to you all because i know alot of you dont beleive in God. I believe in GOd, and I fear him. This fear makes me question my itchy triggger finger, because I know when I die, Im going to have to justify what Ive done in my life. And I have a feeling God isnt going to say , "its ok you killed innocent people just so you could defend your way of life." Hes going to ask us,
"what makes u think ur own way of life, and your own life is more important than other peoples when I made u all equal??"
-----Buddy28


I believe in God, I don't try and define it all til there are no more denomenators left though. I agree with almost all religions to a point. I don't fear God to the point of paralysis though. The creator had to know we would be bound to make some mistakes. This is not a mistake though, read your bible.

You proposed the question what makes my life better than another's, and I answer back to you, nothing. (that's not really the point either)
That being said, look at that question from an abstract approach. Since we are all equal what gives them the right?
And why should my right for self defense be questioned? If my only means of self preservation is to eradicate them from existance, even if that means deleting all traces of them from the history books then so be it.
Its a simple matter of "either him or me".

 

[minion]

Force protection 1-1
You should always remain in control, this means you esculate one step above your aggresor.

For example he pulls a knife, I pull a gun.
I play for keeps, this isn't a movie where you get retakes.

 

[minion]

"At that point were going to stand there with nothing to say. By saying one nations people is expendable to defend the lives of others is basically saying one people is essientially better than anothers. And thats the big lie of nationalism. Im better than you because Im (input any nation here)!!"
-----Buddy28



What your doing is "personification" it really has no relevance. You or I don't know what God would say. However we both believe in a God so let's leave it at that.
It dosn't say nationlism the way you would think, since we are a county of all nations of the Earth.
We are better in MANY terms of the word. Socialy, economicly, diversity, per capita, ect, ect, ect. Not just because we say so, but because it is an indisputable fact. Are we the best at everything, no of course not. But, certainly we are too good to allow our people to be disrespected, and dispensed.

 

[minion]

"Of course every war is complex, and some wars are more necessary and clear cut in terms of moral right and wrong (ex WW2). But Im afraid whats going on with Americas "New War" is pretty shaddy. America has been the aggressor and has disregarded human lives to protect its own citizens and worst yet, its citizens standard of living. Now, these terrorists have wronged America by killing american citizens. America was the first to cross the line, and Terrorists returned in kind. No one is right. I think both are wrong."
-----Buddy28



We may have crossed some line but not lawfuly and law is law. We certainly didn't hijack their commercial planes and crash them into a buildings killing 6,500. Or bomb there capital of defense. (if that isn't an act of WAR I don't know what is) "Terrorists returned in kind", your boarderlined on being traitorous to your own country. You know the coolest thing about being American? Even if these guys had issue with Canada and killed thousands of your countrymen we would be the first one in the international forum to cry foul!

 

[minion]

"PS- -- -Not to say Im a rightous person at all, far from it. I just try to treat people equal with understanding"
-----Buddy28




I agree, however it sounds like you don't have a contingency plan.