Matt_M. said:So what is your stance? This seems more like just factual statements.
EnderJE said:Empires may come and go...but porn still survives.
mightymouse69 said:I've been saying this for years, however it has nothing to do with the fighting on multiple fronts.
The end comes when a country cannot decide within to defend itself (e.g., politics)...thus, it is the future for the US.
redguru said:Agreed. Look at the first democracy that couldn't decide to defend itself until too late, Athens.
mightymouse69 said:We have gone this way since the late 60s and it is steadily progressing, the internal battle in the US between the secular progressives and the neo-cons will bring us down.
I think it will be after we are gone, however it is likely that those of us that follow these things will watch it before our eyes.
redguru said:This spiral may be stopped by a major terrorist act beyond the pale. This act will probably occur in the next ten years. However, I don't think it will be nuclear but biological. God help us all when it does happen.
mightymouse69 said:Yes I agree, however I am shocked to this day how fast the memory of 9/11 has faded outside the North East. Some good thinkers suggest that it may take a number of major events to reinforce this, not only one unfortunately.
Like tonite, I drove over the Tobin Bridge (Boston) which goes over all the oil tanks and tankers. I hurry over it every time. Grew up with a mile of enormous LNG tanks, back then we feared fire, now a simple RPG would finish us.
redguru said:I guess my point is that Americans are blissfully unaware of the extreme danger we are in. Is it that they are uninformed or that they would rather stick their head in the sand and hope the problems dematerialize?
redsamurai said:so a major terrorist attack would save us??
and the fall of the roman empire was pretty simplistic.....corruption and greed. All a major terrrorist attack would do is give the federal government an excuse to become more powerful. We weren't supposed to have a fed to begin with....it was all supposed to be individual states that decided THEMSELVES how much money to give to the "small" union or what we now call federal government.
redguru said:I believe that same cynicism, which is inherent in secular humanism will be the downfall of Western civilization. To believe in nothing, not even an ideal, is dangerous in that it prevents us from uniting under a common banner. What that banner is, call it freedom of thought, if you will, doesn't matter. If our opponent wishes to destroy us by whatever means necessary, no manner of capitulation will aid our cause. In fact, capitulation in any form is shown as weakness and strengthens the resolve of those who wish us ill.
If nothing else, fight for the banner of decadence of the West, For if Militant Islam wins the day, our little party ends.
anthrax said:Historians have never been able to agree on the cause of the fall of the Roman empire, the death of genghis Khan, the defeat in Vietnam etc so I'm interested what the historians of EF think about it
It's our "don't fix it until it's completely broken" attitude. We won't reach-out again and try to be proactive until a major terrorist attack happens.redguru said:I guess my point is that Americans are blissfully unaware of the extreme danger we are in. Is it that they are uninformed or that they would rather stick their head in the sand and hope the problems dematerialize?
I don't know if it will collapse us though. My best guess is an Iranian or NK nuke (possibly an old ruskie one too) being snuck-into a US port. Probably lose between 1M and 2.5M people.alien amp pharm said:I've been saying this for a while now.
There will come a day when a major attack on US soil will cause it to collapse. People panic very easily and that is all it will take for chaos to ensue.
US currency will be worthless. Instead people will be fighting and killing over food and other necessities.
I have been slowly preparing for such an event. Have you? or are you one of those who don't think it will ever happen because your governement has all the answers?
mrplunkey said:I don't know if it will collapse us though. My best guess is an Iranian or NK nuke (possibly an old ruskie one too) being snuck-into a US port. Probably lose between 1M and 2.5M people.
The biological angle is always a possibility too, but that's tougher to pull-off. We're overdue for a pandemic anyway (i.e. a SARS or bird-flu type thing) so maybe that will get to us first.
We should be having a national debate about proactive versus reactive foreign policy. Instead, we'll waste the next few years with Congressional inquiries regarding Dick Cheney and bitching about Iraq.
redguru said:This spiral may be stopped by a major terrorist act beyond the pale. This act will probably occur in the next ten years. However, I don't think it will be nuclear but biological. God help us all when it does happen.
mightymouse69 said:Yes I agree, however I am shocked to this day how fast the memory of 9/11 has faded outside the North East. Some good thinkers suggest that it may take a number of major events to reinforce this, not only one unfortunately.
Like tonite, I drove over the Tobin Bridge (Boston) which goes over all the oil tanks and tankers. I hurry over it every time. Grew up with a mile of enormous LNG tanks, back then we feared fire, now a simple RPG would finish us.
Subzeero said:bro, so you suggest that we live in fear and paranoia for the rest of our lives to make sure western civilization exists? Thats BS man, sorry. I mean, you are suggesting that we become more paranoid than we already are?
What about living a good free life bro?
Subzeero said:bro, so you suggest that we live in fear and paranoia for the rest of our lives to make sure western civilization exists? Thats BS man, sorry. I mean, you are suggesting that we become more paranoid than we already are?
What about living a good free life bro?
Subzeero said:fucking unbelievable. You have lost all your credibility with that post unless you elaborate. What a huge pile of crap smeared on my face, when i read such things. Truely idiotic.
alien amp pharm said:So you believe your politically correct and corrupt government will keep you safe?
I sure don't have faith in it.
To me personally it's not about paranoia but a matter of being prepared instead. I see nothing wrong with that.
mkazzbmf said:Aye....When it does finaly happen the lemmings will be cursing their Zionist controlled Government that they have supported until that time. The lemmings will die off once the TV is no longer there to tell them how to eat breath and sleep. All the while crying and praying to a god that does not exist. Crying and complaining about how they are unfortunate victims. Be prepared to fight for the right side....Or be prepared to fight for a total of 2 seconds in my crosshairs.
redguru said:We all know you klansmen can't shoot. Hell, you hide behind sheets and mask your identity. Cowards, one and all, as you sit behind your keyboard spewing hate.

alien amp pharm said:So you believe your politically correct and corrupt government will keep you safe?
I sure don't have faith in it.
To me personally it's not about paranoia but a matter of being prepared instead. I see nothing wrong with that.
mkazzbmf said:Most Klansmen are Christian numb-nuts.
Most Skinheads are disgruntled unaware children.
I on the other hand am an enlightened human being.
American Idol is calling you....go text your vote. When the final days do come I will let you live....Only to dig the graves for the worthless dead ones you worship.![]()
mightymouse69 said:not at all, fear is worrying about things that probably wont' happen. taking swift action is for those that know it will happen, just when is the question.
I bet you don't know one person who has died violently, where I know dozens...don't lecture me boy.
Subzeero said:It is true that i am a boy, compared to you. And i truely respect you because you are worthy of it. But, i was born in afghanistan, right in the middle of Russian Afghan war. My first memories are of birds eating rotten bodies by the road sides, Ruski Tanks, bloody red glares of fire dominating a portion of the sky, and fearing for my father life as i knew that he was in the middle of it all. There was a funeral every weekend, rocket attacks, neighbours dyeing, buzz of russian airplanes wouldn't let me sleep all night. This is only a bit of my very voilent childhood. I have seen enough for a lifetime.
No one is suggesting "fear and paranoia".Subzeero said:bro, so you suggest that we live in fear and paranoia for the rest of our lives to make sure western civilization exists? Thats BS man, sorry. I mean, you are suggesting that we become more paranoid than we already are?
What about living a good free life bro?
Subzeero said:my case against paranoia, is primarily for the reason that it can exploited. Now i sure don't have faith in the government, as a matter of fact I am very much against anything that excercises any kind of control or power over me, for I am an evolved intelligent being. I don't need the incentive of institutions, jails and punishments to refrain me from commiting crimes and impinge on rights of my fellow human beings. I don't require it. My intelligence is offended by this government.
In words of my hero Henry Thoreau, "A government is best when it governs least or better yet, a government is best when it doesn't governs at all."
Regardless, my arguement is against fear. When instilled with fear, your are more willing to trade your freedom for security. And your individual freedom is most precious. This enables the few in power to excercise control effortlessly and treat you like a puppet. The issue is not of anything moral or righteous here. The issue is of power.
I cannot really conclude that my peeps here on this thread are in error. For they are right as there is threat, but surely an induced threat by the US government. If people fail to percieve this, then are lacking in cognitive faculties. It is ridiculous that some of you seemingly encourage a terrorist attack on your people and in your country. This is just vain. You see far, but you don't see far enough. You have an opinion, but your opinion does not favour you, your individual.
For example, it is unintelligent to have opinions such as some expressed in this thread. For such opinions are suitable for those who have some sort of incentive of power and are in a postion of authority. But you are just an individual. All you are entitled to is your freedom and that is all that you have to defend. But you side with those who want to exploit the very one thing you should hold most precious. And for what? You have no incentive to hold such an opinion. Why should you trade your freedom for security, with a government, you know is corrupt and in essence impotent? Maybe it is an ego issue and nothing else. Maybe you would like to feel important because only important people hold such opinions. The first truth is that it is not necessary to be important. First understand that. Then understand that you are not important. Because important people are the ones that have power and must control to obtain power. Then drop that nonsensical opinion.
Stop thinking like a politician or an army commander. You are neither. You are a free human being! For once, think for your own good.
CrazyRussian said:The average lifespan of a species is 100,000 years. Looks like humans are no exception to the rule...we're not going to survive very much longer, we're just not favored for natural selection. All the damage we're causing to the environment, all the nuclear weapons, etc. I can see an end relatively soon
Subzeero said:Hakushaku Goto Shojiro?
Seems fascinating. Thank you!
redguru said:I'm the descendant of Ghetto Poles, I have relatives that participated in the uprisings during WW2, and others that died in concentration camps. We are not Jewish, but Catholic and Non-Jewish Pole were also killed by the millions in concentration camps. I wouldn't take the time out of my day to piss on you if you were on fire. W dupie byles, gowno widziales.
maybe if your family fought back....mine did, i'm quite proud of them all. they fought and weren't even soldiers.mkazzbmf said:I am also of Polish decent. My Polish Family was of weathly stock. They lost almost everything to deceitful Jewish bankers in the years leading up to WW2. It would have been a good thing for BOTH of our ancestors if Germany would have held Poland and brought it back from the dead. If your family fought the Germans then they were fighting for the filthy Jews of the nation and dieing for them....Much like the misled soldiers of todays USA, who fight and die for Israel's interests in the Mid East. Your Polish family were traitors to their own kind. The worst kind of traitor. I spit on their filthy graves. It is too bad you did not learn from their misdeeds.
redguru said:I believe that same cynicism, which is inherent in secular humanism will be the downfall of Western civilization. To believe in nothing, not even an ideal, is dangerous in that it prevents us from uniting under a common banner. What that banner is, call it freedom of thought, if you will, doesn't matter. If our opponent wishes to destroy us by whatever means necessary, no manner of capitulation will aid our cause. In fact, capitulation in any form is shown as weakness and strengthens the resolve of those who wish us ill.
If nothing else, fight for the banner of decadence of the West, For if Militant Islam wins the day, our little party ends.
Somebody remind me when this asshat turns clear again.mkazzbmf said:I am also of Polish decent. My Polish Family was of weathly stock. They lost almost everything to deceitful Jewish bankers in the years leading up to WW2. It would have been a good thing for BOTH of our ancestors if Germany would have held Poland and brought it back from the dead. If your family fought the Germans then they were fighting for the filthy Jews of the nation and dieing for them....Much like the misled soldiers of todays USA, who fight and die for Israel's interests in the Mid East. Your Polish family were traitors to their own kind. The worst kind of traitor. I spit on their filthy graves. It is too bad you did not learn from their misdeeds.
redguru said:I am done with this thread.
mkazzbmf, you are a festering pool of shit. I don't know who's alter you are, but you are probably the most unfunny one I have ever seen. Your malice toward all others will probably cause your early demise, either through a stomach ulcer or someone throttling you.
Jedza gowna i ma cudowny dzien.
I see hatred is alive & well in the younger generations. Tell me. Do you hate because you have been wronged, or do you hate because you have been taught to hate? I suspect it is the latter, in which cacse you are no different than the zealots who are blowing up innocents around the world.mkazzbmf said:Im sure you are....I would walk away now before you expose even more of your filthy traitor bloodlines. So many Poles worked hard all their lives only to lose their lifes savings to filthy Jewish bankers who ran with the money to other countries....Your family fought for them and hopefuly died doing so as they would deserve for being the traitors that they were.
It amazes me how people will just do as they are told instead of fighting for what is right. Some people have no self pride and no sense of honor....and obviously it gets passed down to their filthy ancestry as in the case of redguru....::SPIT!::
Old Polish proverb: "The Jew cries out in pain as he slaps you"
HiDnGoD said:I see hatred is alive & well in the younger generations. Tell me. Do you hate because you have been wronged, or do you hate because you have been taught to hate? I suspect it is the latter, in which cacse you are no different than the zealots who are blowing up innocents around the world.
I don't watch much TV. I get all my news from EF.mkazzbmf said:My views of "hate" as you call them (I call them facts) are something that I came to on my own over years of life experience and LOTS of research. I began to notice a double standard that non-Jews face in the Western Worlds "free society". Jews say they are white yet when whites are attacked by non whites for being "white devils" the Jews separate from whites and then they are just Jews. But when the need to fit in with whites is there they are once again whites. I was once like most of the sheeple who are railroaded with lies their whole life. I slowly began to notice that Jews have a death grip on foriegn policy, banking, and the media (all of which are crucial to keeping control of the masses) and thought that perhaps there is a reason why less than 3% of the population of the western world would have so much of a stake in such things. As it turns out there is a definite reason. It took me the better part of 3 years to come to grips with the fact that I have been lied to my whole life and was being herded with the rest of the cattle to surrender my beliefs to the Jewish media machine and Monetary system (By the way all us currency is printed by the PRIVATELY owned federal reserve, by Jewish bankers of course). I came past the fear of being labeled an anti-semite, or racist and came to the conclusion that standing up for the truth is the most virtuous thing any man can do. I am not a racist in the traditional sense because I believe that all NON-Jews (whites, blacks, muslims, hispanics) are being heavily exploited by the Zionist machine, and think they should all join forces to stop the true racists....The Jews. Call me crazy but there is a huge amount of overwhelming evidence supporting this and just because your beloved TV tells you otherwise does not make it so. I call on all of you to think for yourselves and do the research to prove me wrong if you are so sure that I am.
HiDnGoD said:I don't watch much TV. I get all my news from EF.
Your views, right or not, are your views.
But the malice put into previous statements, such as, "I spit on their filthy graves" is not going to help your position, which is to enlighten people. They are just going to see you as a racist "anti-semitist".
Most people are busy trying to live their lives rather than research for 3 years based on something you said. If you want to make a point, post up some links and proof.
redsamurai said:are you referring to the meiji period warlord? i'm afraid you misunderstood me.......or probably more succinctly, my failed attempt at being clever and writing to you something in japanese. I'll admit my japanese is almost nonexistent at this point.....but I'm learning. Does hakushuku not mean "brothers"?? My humble apologies if I am in error......that was stupid to try with my limited japanese.....
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