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"The Domestic Security Enhancement Act of 2003 aka Patriot Act 2

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FreakMonster said:

What do you mean we have been turned into "economic slaves"???
And haven't we improved the past 20 yrs as a nation?

in one word...inflation

What cost $1000 in 1959 would cost $5889.71 in 2001.
Also, if you were to buy exactly the same products in 2001 and 1959, they would cost you $1000 and $169.79 respectively.

In 1959, the average annual income: $5,016. Average price of a new car:$2,250. Average price of a new house: $12,400. Cost of a loaf of bread: 20 cents. Cost of a gallon of gas: 25 cents. The minimum wage:$1 an hour.

Yes, gone are the days of "Leave It To Beaver" when even the milkman had a cabin at the lake, two cars, and could afford for his wife to choose to stay home to raise their 3 kids. And those kids didnt have to worry about getting shot at school.

Oh, and let's not forget the most important one...TAXES!!!

Washington, D.C., April 10, 2002 - America can celebrate Tax Freedom Day on April 27, 2002. That is two days earlier than in 2001 and four days earlier than in 2000. Tax freedom day is the day that the average American can stop working for the gov't and start working to put money into their own pockets.

The number of days that the average American must work to pay taxes can be compared to the price of other important categories of consumer spending. Americans will work longer to pay for government (117 days) than they will for food, clothing, and shelter combined (106 days).

The tax burden borne by different states varies considerably, not only because residents of different states face different state and local taxes, but also because they pay dissimilar federal taxes.

Connecticut’s total tax burden is the heaviest among the 50 states, so taxpayers there can’t celebrate Tax Freedom Day until May 14. Outside Connecticut and Washington, DC, where Tax Freedom Day is May 17, residents of the State of Washington work the longest for taxes—until May 9. New York (May 6), New Jersey (May 5), and Wyoming (May 4) round out the top five states.

At the other end of the tax burden spectrum are states with comparatively early Tax Freedom Days. Alaska’s is the earliest, April 8, and Oklahoma is next with a Tax Freedom Day on the tax filing deadline, April 15. Three states will celebrate Tax Freedom Day on the 16th of April: West Virginia, Tennessee and Alabama.
 
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This bill was designed to give law enforcement absolute authority when dealing with terrorists and those suspected of terrorism.

Ashcroft can give two shits about someone with $1,000 worth of Winstrol under his bed. Why is everyone freaking out?
 
Here's the act broken down:

Your right to obtain information about a friend or family member detained by the government in connection with any activity deemed "terrorist" would be revoked.

Good. I can give two shits if John Walker Lindh's family is unable to find out where he is and what our government is doing to him.

Perhaps the most alarming proposal (Section 501) would give the Justice Dept. power to revoke a person's permanent resident alien status or even U.S. citizenship for participating in, or "providing material support to ... a terrorist organization."

Since the 2001 "Patriot Act" redefined "terrorist activity" so broadly that minor vandalism could qualify, donating to a nonprofit organization that, unknown to you, is on Ashcroft's disfavored list could end your life as an American citizen and resident.


So if you have a Pakistani immigrant neighbor who gives money to al-Qaeda you'd want him to be left alone? Hell no, deport his ass. They go as far as saying "even minor vandalism can get you deported" -- I welcome the authors to go to Thailand and break someones car window and see what happens to them. It'd be a helluva lot worse than having our government fly you home on taxpayers money.

Invalidate state legal consent decrees (Section 312) that seek to curb police spying on U.S. citizens, regardless of any tangible evidence of criminal activity. This effectively re-authorizes the CIA and FBI to engage in domestic terrorism against activist groups ( a la COINTELPRO); practices that were made illegal after the well-documented abuses of the 1960s.

Amen! Now a closer eye will be kept on sicko militias. If we did this several years ago maybe Oklahoma City would have never happened.

Allow the government to force U.S. citizens to allow invasive collection of DNA samples (Sections 301-306) if the Administration consider someone a "suspected terrorist."

Again, who the fuck cares? I WANT my government to have the right to demand suspected terrorists give DNA samples.

The laws we're currently governed under are not up to date. They were created before terrorism in this country was a reality. Updated laws that deny immigrants suspected of terrorism are needed and should not be questioned by ANY law abiding American born citizen.
 
PsychoSkitz said:
This bill was designed to give law enforcement absolute authority when dealing with terrorists and those suspected of terrorism.

Ashcroft can give two shits about someone with $1,000 worth of Winstrol under his bed. Why is everyone freaking out?

I hate to say this, but you seem to be a bit naive when it comes to the US government.
 
Unfucking believable

You are an absolute, total, fucking moron. I dont believe I have yet seen such an amazing display of either pure stupidty, lack of foresight, or perhaps an ignorance of history... The very fact of your simple minded comments about your 'pakistani neighbor' or 'sicko militias' makes me wonder if you have made it beyond the cognitive development stages of an 8 year old.

You honestly believe that we can trust the goverment, an entity which is defined by lies, corruption and a desire to expand, to be trusted with such broad authoritorial powers is amazing to me...

Did you happen to read this section?

SECTION 404 makes it a crime for a terrorist or “other criminals” to use encryption in the commission of a crime.

Missed that did you? Already something that would affect us as individuals...how would you like to be charged with this as well as the other slew of things related to gear.... and I guess this kind of squelches the idea you must have that this bill will only apply to terrorists...

I can break down your post step by step if you like Psychoskitz, sorry that I had to call you such harsh names, but it is quite deserving from the spew of shit I just read.
 
Re: Unfucking believable

Frackal said:
You are an absolute, total, fucking moron. I dont believe I have yet seen such an amazing display of either pure stupidty, lack of foresight, or perhaps an ignorance of history... The very fact of your simple minded comments about your 'pakistani neighbor' or 'sicko militias' makes me wonder if you have made it beyond the cognitive development stages of an 8 year old.

You honestly believe that we can trust the goverment, an entity which is defined by lies, corruption and a desire to expand, to be trusted with such broad authoritorial powers is amazing to me...

Did you happen to read this section?

SECTION 404 makes it a crime for a terrorist or “other criminals” to use encryption in the commission of a crime.

Missed that did you? Already something that would affect us as individuals...how would you like to be charged with this as well as the other slew of things related to gear.... and I guess this kind of squelches the idea you must have that this bill will only apply to terrorists...

I can break down your post step by step if you like Psychoskitz, sorry that I had to call you such harsh names, but it is quite deserving from the spew of shit I just read.

Some good points made...
 
Shit I'm not at all sorry to call Psycho a fuckin moron. That's right- log into your EF email account once this legislation is law and realize you can be detained, not arrested, for an indefinite period of time without any of the rights you were once guaranteed through the Constitution of the United States. Holy shit I can't believe the naivety of Psycho's statements. We get bent over everyday by local, state and fed govts yet you believe PA2 will help the situation? Your rights as you know them now will be erased, gone. Are the very freedoms and rights we enjoy as United States citizens worth the 9/11 tragedy? As rough as this may sound- FUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK NOOOO!!!!!!
 
It is like a fucking nightmare! You think you'll wake up and chill but you never will. Some fed will always be breathing down your fucking neck with a burning constitution in his hand.

How would ANY american ever let the government change and buttfuck it's constitution. The very document that America was founded upon, and serves as a guiding light for the entity of america. How can it be raped in the name of patriatism?
Fuck that, you bro's are welcome up here in canada any time.
 
Please, everyone take a few moments to visit www.house.gov and www.senate.gov ... write a brief letter to your representatives...IT WONT take much longer than writing a post here on elite.... this act is not very well known yet, so you WILL make a difference...please post here after you have done so, so that we can see you have and it will encourage others... I will start as the first person
 
Frackal said:
Please, everyone take a few moments to visit www.house.gov and www.senate.gov ... write a brief letter to your representatives...IT WONT take much longer than writing a post here on elite.... this act is not very well known yet, so you WILL make a difference...please post here after you have done so, so that we can see you have and it will encourage others... I will start as the first person

Actually, (and this is in no way intended to be a flame) you should take the time to write a physical letter if you really hope to see changes, and heres why:

The Congressional Management Foundation recently conducted a study that revealed that House and Senate offices received about 80 million email messages last year alone and that they are overwhelmed by the massive volume and ill-equipped to deal with it.

According to Washingtonian Magazine survey of 219 top congressional staffers, when asked what factors, besides a Member's own political philosophy, most influenced decisions by Members of Congress. They were:
1. Constituent Opinion (YOUR own written letters)
2. Other Office Mail
3. White House Opinion
4. Party Leaders
5. Press Back Home
6. Lobbies
7. National Media

If your freedoms are important enough, you will take the time to write.
 
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