T3 sucks Big Donkey Balls.

[Themachine01]

so will T3 fuck up your metabolism for a while post cycle?

 

[aznboy79]

How long until your thyroid recovers and returns to normal post cycle? I'm going on a fina/winny/test/t3 cycle in a few weeks (t3 @ 12.5mcg up to 75mcg). Thanks

 

[BigAndy69]

Lone Az,

I beleive that you have very good points. This stuff is for veterans only, and pre contest.

However, it does not shut down your natural thyroid production permanently. That's a myth.

It does seem like a stupid drug to take however since it takes so much commitment post cycle. You think a post cycle crash on AS is bad? Thyroid crash is much worse. You will be shut down and below normal for at least 4weeks after your cycle, and up to 6 weeks (for regular cycles).

This is a time to start cutting back calories and dieting, if you stick to your buffets and pizza you are quite "FUCKED".

I'll be posting a HUGE write up on T3 in the near future. Stay tuned.

In the meantime, here's a study I found posted by Brock Stasser.



N Engl J Med 1975 Oct 2;293(14):681-4

Recovery of pituitary thyrotropic function after withdrawal of prolonged thyroid-suppression therapy.

Vagenakis AG, Braverman LE, Azizi F, Portinay GI, Ingbar SH.

The pattern of thyrotropin secretion was analyzed in seven euthyroid women, before and after withdrawal of long-term thyroid hormone, by serial measurements of thyroid 131l uptake, serum thyroxine, tri-iodothyronine, and thyrotropin concentrations, and the response to thyrotropin-releasing hormone. During exogenous hormone administration, 131l uptake was suppressed, and serum thyrotropin concentrations before and after administration of thyrotropin-releasing hormone were undetectable.

After withdrawal of exogenous hormone, thyrotropin secretory function was transiently impaired, as indicated by undetectable basal thyrotropin concentrations together with absence of response to thyrotropin-releasing hormone, and subsequently by normal values of basal thyrotropin concentration and normal responses to releasing hormone while serum thyroxine and tri-iodothyronine concentrations were subnormal.

Decreased thyrotropin reserve persisted for two to five weeks. Detectable values of serum thyrotropin (less than 1.2 muU per milliliter) and a normal 131l uptake usually occurred concurrently in two to three weeks. Serum thyroxine concentration returned to normal at least four weeks after hormone withdrawal.

 

[BigAndy69]

Btw, just came back from a chest workout, and I BLEW up. Meaning, I pretty much double in size after my workout from the pumps. I definetely have not lost any muscle, and I got an extra rep on incline DB presses.

 

[LONE_AZ]

Ramp up ramp down however you want to justify it T3 is a bad choice for those of who are not Pros. I used this very same method and bingo my thyroid did not recover. People need to realize that reading something and apply it to you are two different things. Sometimes things do not always go like the book says they will. For fat loss nothing beats cardio and a clean diet. Short cuts can sometimes come back to bit you in the ass no matter how careful you are. All I’m saying is that if you want to use T3 then be prepared to pay the consequences.

 

[BigAndy69]

Ramp up ramp down however you want to justify it T3 is a bad choice for those of who are not Pros. I used this very same method and bingo my thyroid did not recover. People need to realize that reading something and apply it to you are two different things. Sometimes things do not always go like the book says they will. For fat loss nothing beats cardio and a clean diet. Short cuts can sometimes come back to bit you in the ass no matter how careful you are. All I’m saying is that if you want to use T3 then be prepared to pay the consequences.

Lone AZ, can you describe your cycle?

Also were you eating clean after your cycle? Same amount of fodd or less? Did you use any supplements?

I'm interested in what you have to say. Thanks

 

[LONE_AZ]

This was over two years ago so I do not remember the particulars. I can tell you that I did not know right away it took about three months before I went to the doc. Symptoms: Weight gain, fatigue, lack of sex driveand dry skin. Overall I did not feel well at all.

You are right that T3 will not shut you thyroid down but it can decrease its it function. My diet was clean also as I recall I took it for 5 weeks gradually stepping up and than down. Sorry I wish I could remember the details but I just can’t.

 

[muscle_geek]

I'm sure I will get some flames for this statement but any that takes T3 and is not a pro is wasting their time. Pros take T3 for a specific reason, to prepare for a contest. Which is a one-day event. If anyone expects to have some sort of long-term positive effects they are kidding themselves. You have two choices with T3. Go off of it and have a rebound effect (get fat or gain useless weight). Or two, take ever-increasing doses until you have to go on thyroid replacement for life.

I speak from experience it is a trap and if you continue to use it many will have to take synthroid for life like me. I consider myself wiser now but it is to late for that. Don't make the same mistake. If there’re any pro's here who are somewhat intelligent they will tell you the same thing.

You have some good points, but using T3 alone for 30days or so and then following up with Clen/ECA and good diet and you won't rebound.

 

[LONE_AZ]

Maybe... Maybe not. No one can say for sure. It is like smoking. Some people get cancer some do not.

 

[DTOX]

It's been known for a long time that if you have sub-optimal levels of T3, that the addition of T3 (5mcg-12.5mcg/day) can INCREASE protein synthesis. Since most people have sub-optimal T3 levels this is why people report gaining on it and why others add 5mcg or 12.5mcg to their bulk cycles.

The problem is when you surpass that level and then T3 becomes catabolic. Without AS I would guess this is somewhere between 25mcg - 50mcg/day.

"I started with 12.5mcg, and I absolutely loved it, I never looked fuller before and I was actually gaining muscle. Muscles were hard. " ~you~


dude ,you thought you would gain from t3.....common