I don't get strength gains from fina. And I haven't run var in a long time, I don't remember. I don't necessarily agree, mg for mg fina is the "strongest steriod" (whatever that means). For me, its fatloss & hardening properties are nothing short of amazing, and, yes I get some stinky piss from it, but, especially with r-ala, I don't "feel" (based on 15yrs gear experience) it being much "stronger" than others. Don't get me wrong, its a great drug, but, why it has this cult status I don't understand...