stomach problems

[lilj888]

Agree with the others. Either it's GERD, gastritis, pancreatitis, or your gallbladder.

I'm leaning toward gastritis given your recent alcohol binge. If it's gastritis, then definitely take a proton pump inhibitor (Nexium, Protonix, OTC Prilosec, etc.). For gastritis, the recommendation is to take one of those (OTC Prilosec will be the easiest to obtain) along with overlapping it with an H2 inhibitor (Zantac, Tagamet, etc.).

Usually I treat gastritis patients with double dose PPI (e.g., Prilosec one tablet every twelve hours) for 2-4 weeks and overlap the PPI with Zantac 150 mg every twelve hours for the first week since it takes about a week before a PPI starts working properly.

Some common characteristics of various pain:

- GERD - worse an hour or so after eating, worse with lying flat like at night
- pancreatitis - solid pain, usually doesn't wax and wane, worse after eating; pain typically center of stomach radiating to back
- ulcer - usually gets better with eating, only to worsen an hour after eating
- gallbladder - pain occurs after eating, worse at night (around 1 am since cholecystokinin peaks then -- causes the gallbladder to contract); pain usually epigastric or right upper quadrant and can radiate to shoulder

sounds like gastritis to me, if its from the alcohol would it subside on its own or become worse, i drank friday felt it saturday, today is monday its still bad but im not constipated anymore

and will takin these have any effect on the dbol im taking like making it less effective

and you are a doctor i presume?

 

[musclemom]

Little FYI for you medical types, my gluten intolerance manifested as unrelenting heartburn after eating anything with gluten (and since gluten is so freaking ubiquitous it seemed like I had heartburn after every meal) and it caused low motility (not quite the same thing as constipation but similar, instead of needing to go and can't, you just never need to go, period).

I have the "weird" version of celiac (shitting your brains out and losing weight like crazy are the expected symptoms). I have, however, met a few other people who it manifested in the same way. I'm pointing this out since treating the symptoms of heartburn and constipation or low motility without ruling out celiac or gluten intolerance is setting up your patient for a lifetime of health problems and an increased risk of bowel cancer.

Although in this guys case I think he needs to get the hell off Dbol and see how his gut feels after a few days before running to the doctor. Just because he took it for five weeks with no problems doesn't mean it can't start giving him problems. I know it seems unlikely but I do think our bodies have "limits" to what they'll put up with.

 

[gjohnson5]

Agreed on the stool softener. Also some oil...3 or 4 tablespoons of olive oil will help get things going.

Dyspepsia and GERD can absolutely be accompanied by constipation. The two are treated concurrently often.

The drugs can be good for treatment of acute flare ups, but I do prefer a more holistic approach to long term management, as I stated in my earlier post.

Also, as I stated before, your best plan of action would be to go see your doctor.

GERD can be caused by a number of issues. Gastrointestinal Reflux could be caused by eating certain food (gluten in MuscleMom's case) Some people's GERD can be aggrevated by exercise. More often then not GERD is caused by too little stomach acid, not too much. Buffering stomach acid in a case where the PH of his stomach is over 3 would make sis situation worse. Secondly I don't see how the valves of the stomach ( esophageal sphincter ) opening up in a GERD situation is related to water absorption in the intestines in a constipation case. The two are from my understanding completely separate issues.

IMHO I would not touch any OTC stomach acid buffering supplements until the problem is analyzed. Assuming you have too much stomach acid (and thus it refluxes up into the intestines) is a bad assumption

 

[Spartacus]

i was thinking maybe i developed a ulcer from drinking that night. i drink occasionally, i had friends come up and visit me so we went out. I was drinking captian morgan all night.

"...bacterium, Helicobacter pylori was cultured (isolated and grown) from these biopsies. Presently, it is accepted that this bacterial organism is the cause of both stomach and duodenal ulcers. Approximately 95% of persons with gastric ulcers, and 100% of persons with chronic gastritis have this bacterium within the stomach."
Bacteria Cause Ulcers?

H.Pylori causes most ulcers
alcohol and the other usual suspects (stress etc.) excerbate ulcers
but don't cause them

 

[gjohnson5]

"...bacterium, Helicobacter pylori was cultured (isolated and grown) from these biopsies. Presently, it is accepted that this bacterial organism is the cause of both stomach and duodenal ulcers. Approximately 95% of persons with gastric ulcers, and 100% of persons with chronic gastritis have this bacterium within the stomach."
Bacteria Cause Ulcers?

H.Pylori causes most ulcers
alcohol and the other usual suspects (stress etc.) excerbate ulcers
but don't cause them

Yes... Assuming H.Pylori is present in the mucus of his stomach lining and has gotten so bad that even stomach acid doesn't kill it... Then yes , buffering HCL and using medication is your option. Isn't H Pylori is transmitted through eating contaminated food or drinking water which has not been treated properly? But once again low stomach acid levels are probably what caused the H Pylori to grow in the first place. If the bacteria has caused gastritis , then he's had the problem for a while probably


Alot of speculation at this point. I would get verification

 

[Mavafanculo]

lilj:

you're taking dbol and went on a capt morgans drinking binge? wtf lol?

the symptoms and circumstances you describe sound like "chemical" Hepatitis - iow, your liver is temporarily inflammed and not functioning properly, and is letting you know with classic GI Hep symptoms:

indigestion, nausea, vomiting, lack of appitite, feeling of fullness. You may also find you feel tired, develop dark urine, pale feces, and yellowing of the whites of your eyes.


if you had added in some tylenol (also harsh on the liver in hi doses), you could have sneezed out your liver and visually inspected for inflamation to confirm lol.


1-drink ALOT of water,
2-get some rALA (racemic alpha lipoic acid) with biotin, 200mg 2 or 3 times a day
3-N-acetylcystiene 600mg 2x or 3x aday
4-grapeseed extract capsules 200 mg 2 or 3x a day
5-Ginger caps will help with the indigestion

and think about aborting the dbol for a bit uhtil you get over this.

2,3,and 4 above have solid studies demonstrating hepatic protection and regeneration effectiveness. (stay away from milk thistle - latest meta-studies state "couldnt demponstrate any quantitative benefit and couldnt rule out side effects).

If your symptoms dont subside in 4 or days, or you notice a persistent increasing darkening of your urine or increasing jaundice (check by pulling down lower eyelid), then get thee to a doctor.

 

[lilj888]

well i just took some zantac 150 and at first it didnt do shit, but i ate some more just now and now i dont feel as bad, i was doing pull ups tho and now my left side of my back hurts.

like mava said i was thinkin mayb it was a liver prob but my eyes and shit look fine my poop looks like a light brown today. Pee is fine. I am usually tired alot, but maybe thats just from the dbols and my insomnia lol.

 

[Spartacus]

lilj:

you're taking dbol and went on a capt morgans drinking binge? wtf lol?

the symptoms and circumstances you describe sound like "chemical" Hepatitis - iow, your liver is temporarily inflammed and not functioning properly, and is letting you know with classic GI Hep symptoms:

indigestion, nausea, vomiting, lack of appitite, feeling of fullness. You may also find you feel tired, develop dark urine, pale feces, and yellowing of the whites of your eyes.


if you had added in some tylenol (also harsh on the liver in hi doses), you could have sneezed out your liver and visually inspected for inflamation to confirm lol.


1-drink ALOT of water,
2-get some rALA (racemic alpha lipoic acid) with biotin, 200mg 2 or 3 times a day
3-N-acetylcystiene 600mg 2x or 3x aday
4-grapeseed extract capsules 200 mg 2 or 3x a day
5-Ginger caps will help with the indigestion

and think about aborting the dbol for a bit uhtil you get over this.

2,3,and 4 above have solid studies demonstrating hepatic protection and regeneration effectiveness. (stay away from milk thistle - latest meta-studies state "couldnt demponstrate any quantitative benefit and couldnt rule out side effects).

If your symptoms dont subside in 4 or days, or you notice a persistent increasing darkening of your urine or increasing jaundice (check by pulling down lower eyelid), then get thee to a doctor.

where are we going for r-ala these days?
I've been using lifeextension.org and am satisfied with their quality rep
just wondering what else
I used to use AF
I just don't trust that guy though
anymore

 

[Mavafanculo]

well i just took some zantac 150 and at first it didnt do shit, but i ate some more just now and now i dont feel as bad, i was doing pull ups tho and now my left side of my back hurts.

like mava said i was thinkin mayb it was a liver prob but my eyes and shit look fine my poop looks like a light brown today. Pee is fine. I am usually tired alot, but maybe thats just from the dbols and my insomnia lol.

the jaundice, darkened urine and pale feces would result from the inflammed livers inability to process bilirubin OVER TIME. iow, the absence of those symptoms immediately doesnt rule out liver issues. The GI symptoms come first

but in any event, as long as you're feeling better and dont progress down the symptom path you should be fine - when the insulting chemical load (in your case dbol + alcohol) gets back under your livers max, the healing begins


anyway, good luck

 

[gjohnson5]

where are we going for r-ala these days?
I've been using lifeextension.org and am satisfied with their quality rep
just wondering what else
I used to use AF
I just don't trust that guy though
anymore

Anthony Roberts (very willingly) told me they were sued by Insulow (and the FTC) for making bogus claims