Steroids for life??

[N V ME]

I started out a natural consistent weight of around 215lb after cycling for aprox. 2.5 years off and on I am sitting around 225-230 been off for well over 7 months. I maxed out at 255lbs, then settled at 235-240lb on average. I never tried to gain mass just bring up certain points of my physique. I guess I will see over the next 6 months how my weight changes.

 

[Steve The Bluesman]

I started out a natural consistent weight of around 215lb after cycling for aprox. 2.5 years off and on I am sitting around 225-230 been off for well over 7 months. I maxed out at 255lbs, then settled at 235-240lb on average. I never tried to gain mass just bring up certain points of my physique. I guess I will see over the next 6 months how my weight changes.

I found the same. I cut hard before my 1st cycle and got down to my old fighting weight of 163. After the 1st cycle and PCT I maintained 173. After the 2nd cycle and PCT I am maintaining 182.

I guess I will see over the nexxt few months if I can hold that weight (at least until my next cycle.)

I think for the non-comp user, as long as you are not right at or over your body's limit (like, being 5-5, 230lbs) then you should be able to maintain a decent amount of the gains made - or at least I hope so.


Bluesman

 

[PatBateman3]

But my point is that the physiques cannot and will not remain the same without the constant addition of gear, unless you are not at your natural potential. Interesting that there are theories out there that you can actually shift that natural level a bit with the aid of gear.

 

[swordfish151]

But my point is that the physiques cannot and will not remain the same without the constant addition of gear, unless you are not at your natural potential. Interesting that there are theories out there that you can actually shift that natural level a bit with the aid of gear.

very good points in this thread....look at arnold..then and now...take his shirt off now and yikes!!! but good read.

 

[Anybody]

But my point is that the physiques cannot and will not remain the same without the constant addition of gear, unless you are not at your natural potential. Interesting that there are theories out there that you can actually shift that natural level a bit with the aid of gear.

I've read some stuff saying that long-term test use actually makes you more sensitive to future test use. This might not shift your natural max at all, but would give you bigger gains for each cycle, making it take longer to drop back down to your natural limit. Here's something on it.

"This argument is used to explain the fact that growth eventually stops while using a given amount of steroid. Once you understand all of the effects of testosterone on growth factor levels and muscle cells you come to realize that the opposite is in fact the case. Simply stated, supraphysiological levels of testosterone gives rise to increased numbers of myonuclei and thereby an increase in the number of total androgen receptors per muscle fiber. Therefore, the larger you get from using steroids, the more receptive your muscle become to the presence of testosterone. Keep in mind that I am referring to testosterone and testosterone esters."

 

[Tweakle]

you come off, you lose it.

Look at Yates today.. 10 x better genes than anyone here and he still dropped to around 210ish when cleaning out.

 

[LT3]

Muscle can never turn to fat and vice versa. if you turned softer and smoother after the cycle is coz of estrogen rebound. also i think gh gives you more muscle tissue so that would increase your genetic limit.

 

[Sir-Que]

"Myth: If you stop working out, muscle will turn into fat. Many people believe that if they stop working out, their muscle will turn into fat. Muscle and fat are two distinct tissues, however, and never can be converted from one to the other. If you stop exercising, muscle tissue will shrink, so you may feel flabbier. Also, when muscles get smaller, they do not need as many calories, so your metabolism slows. With a slower metabolism, if you eat the same amount of calories, you may gain body fat."

"Myth No. 2: muscle turns to fat when you don't exercise
For those who spend three or four days a week sweating through cardio and strength training, what happens to the muscle when you stop working out? Does it turn to fat?
Fitness guru Donna Richardson Joyner explained that this can't happen. "Muscle is muscle, fat is fat and you can't turn one into the other," she said.
It's a source of confusion for many, but there's no comparison deep inside the body. Dr Walter Thompson, a professor of exercise science at Georgia State University, said muscle is much denser then fat and is more compact.
He said that when you stop working out the muscle becomes a bit flabby and "non-functional", but does not turn into fat.
And if you're hoping for the opposite, sorry but exercise does not transform fat into muscle.
"You have to get rid of fat by doing cardio", said Lara Szymanski at The Sports Club in LA, "You have to build lean muscle and that's what you do by strength training."

Anyone have anything to say to the contrary?[/QUOTE]

This is my understanding as well......

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[superqt4u2nv]

you come off, you lose it.

Look at Yates today.. 10 x better genes than anyone here and he still dropped to around 210ish when cleaning out.

Only if you shut yourself down or stop training with the same intensity. I would say guys should be able to keep a fair amount of the cycle gains as long as every thing remains in check. You think Yates trains the same now as when he was Mr.Olympia?

 

[LVTitan]

Ok, but how many cycles a year do you have to complete to stay where you want to be above 140? I guess truly it would depend on what your goal weight was, so that's kind of a stupid question, but just curious.

2-3 cycles a year will keep me happy.