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Is it harmful on the last few reps to be doing a good morning/squat. In my opinion, I would it would be beneficial as long as you arent rounding the back? any thoughts
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General Sus
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Dude stay away from doing that you are going to hurt yourself!
MsBeverlyHills
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are you talking about supersetting GMs & squats???? otherwise-- bad idea.
Lord_Suston
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If performing one excercise stick to that excercise, most likely your GM form and stance is not that of you Squat, hence the chance of injury is greatly magnified. When form breaks down stop performing the technique, One of the best tips I know. it will help you learn the right technique and avoid injuries
collegiateLifter
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what reason does this happen? (what muscle is the weak link in such a case?)
Sounds like a shift to GM motion on the positive would be a result of weak quads. I do the same thing - towards the end of squatting, when I'm tired, I stall at the middle and am tempted to just ASS up the weight.
I don't think it's necessarily dangerous unless you lose your balance and fall, it's just not going to help you accomplish your squat goals.
I don't think it's necessarily dangerous unless you lose your balance and fall, it's just not going to help you accomplish your squat goals.
collegiateLifter
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casualbb said:
As this happens to me while doing oly style squats I wonder sometimes, is it my back, hams or quads thats the culprit...
supreme
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If you are tilting forward during your squat and its only on the last few reps it is either a weak TVA or spinal errectors. Imbalance or weakness in these muscles allow the pelvis to move into an anterior pelvic tilt thus increasing the lordosis in your low back. This results in a shearing force on your lumbar spine. Keep this up and you are probably headed for a back injury - especially if you use a weight belt !
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I can raw Good Morning basically the exact same that I can squat. I believe that it says that one should be able to do that on the WSB videos...
If your back is strong enough in the GM position...then it is NOT dangerous. THAT is why WSB guys do GM's...so when you fall fwd on a squat attempt you can both get the rep AND be safe.
It really sounds like you have a weakness somewhere...and you are not addressing it.
B True
If your back is strong enough in the GM position...then it is NOT dangerous. THAT is why WSB guys do GM's...so when you fall fwd on a squat attempt you can both get the rep AND be safe.
It really sounds like you have a weakness somewhere...and you are not addressing it.
B True
collegiateLifter
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hahaha great, sounds like no ones sure what the culprit is....
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can you say this again, in a simplified form as you honestly lost me in it.....
But, i think i might have an idea of what you are saying and hopefully the following doesn't apply..... leaning forward doesn't mean you are no longer arching your back.... and also in a long debate in the past it was determined that leaning forward isn't inherently dangerous for the back..... where's that article that someone posted on 'dangerous excercises" by mel siff...
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can you say this again, in a simplified form as you honestly lost me in it.....
supreme said:
But, i think i might have an idea of what you are saying and hopefully the following doesn't apply..... leaning forward doesn't mean you are no longer arching your back.... and also in a long debate in the past it was determined that leaning forward isn't inherently dangerous for the back..... where's that article that someone posted on 'dangerous excercises" by mel siff...
supreme
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There will always be a slight forward lean, especially as the weight increases but once the movement begins there should be no change in trunk angle (the lean should not increae as you go down)
If you can't maintain trunk angle and your butt sticks out like
Donald Duck - then you have a weakness somewhere - without assessing your form and doing some tests its impossible to tell where ?- most common is the deep abdomnal wall & lower segments of the rectus abdominus or the erectors in your low back as well as tight muscles pulling you into that position - anterior pelvic tilt.
One way to check is to stand side ways to a mirror and look at your belt line or top of shorts, if the back is higher than the front, you are heading for trouble! you want the belt line to be horizontal I.e no tilt in your pelvis
now granted there are 2 main styles of squats - powerlifting / bodbuilding. The first emphasizes glutes & hams, the second quads
Each have their own distinct style - depends what you want to do? but to do either with a forward tilt of the pelvis is really bad for your back. You must determine are you just leaning forward due to the heavy weight, bad form or tilted pelvis? all 3 are different and need different corrections
Heavy good mornings are great for the low back, but need to be done as a seperate movement from squats - Actually they kick ass as a movement, only real lifters still use these today, most of the pussies use the back extension machine - total piece of shit!
***please note I am not talking about the reverse hyper bench, back raise bench or GHD bench - I mean the plate loaded girlie machine.
But to have the spine in safe postion and have the hams,glutes erectors and lats work correclty as a force couple you need to do the movements seperately (and correctly)
Later!
If you can't maintain trunk angle and your butt sticks out like
Donald Duck - then you have a weakness somewhere - without assessing your form and doing some tests its impossible to tell where ?- most common is the deep abdomnal wall & lower segments of the rectus abdominus or the erectors in your low back as well as tight muscles pulling you into that position - anterior pelvic tilt.
One way to check is to stand side ways to a mirror and look at your belt line or top of shorts, if the back is higher than the front, you are heading for trouble! you want the belt line to be horizontal I.e no tilt in your pelvis
now granted there are 2 main styles of squats - powerlifting / bodbuilding. The first emphasizes glutes & hams, the second quads
Each have their own distinct style - depends what you want to do? but to do either with a forward tilt of the pelvis is really bad for your back. You must determine are you just leaning forward due to the heavy weight, bad form or tilted pelvis? all 3 are different and need different corrections
Heavy good mornings are great for the low back, but need to be done as a seperate movement from squats - Actually they kick ass as a movement, only real lifters still use these today, most of the pussies use the back extension machine - total piece of shit!
***please note I am not talking about the reverse hyper bench, back raise bench or GHD bench - I mean the plate loaded girlie machine.
But to have the spine in safe postion and have the hams,glutes erectors and lats work correclty as a force couple you need to do the movements seperately (and correctly)
Later!
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collegiateLifter
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supreme said:
Again you lost me. I think you mean that on the concentric, your trunk angle should never increase, only decrease back to neutral (or increase to 180 if you prefer).
Otherwise.... if you look at a wide, power squat, the entire eccentric consist largely of bending forward.
collegiateLifter
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supreme said:
The motion of "sitting back" onto the box squat, that so many PLers do requires you to counter balance shifting your butt back, with a corresponding lean forward throughout the eccentric... other wise you would just fall down.
Sammy Sosa
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As others have said, I believe your weakness his in your back and abs.
muscledog95
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agreed on the weakness...ill will be fixing that
