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Some Old Timers Talk About Steroids
- Thread starter Nelson Montana
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I met Dennis Newman after he won the Nationals. He was nice enough to talk to my friends and I. He said "take everything and anything you can get your hands on, and dont believe there are certain drugs that are for bulking and cutting, he said, you can bulk and cut on any drug." That was Newman's philosophy, too bad he ended up with Leukemia. I thought he would have been the man....
That was the original point. I guess to a 25 year old guy, Muntzer is ancient history. He's been dead most of their life. But that's not what I mean by "old timers." I mean the guys who were doing this when the whole drug scene began in the early 60's. Those guys were not 250-280. Larry Scott was 5'8" 200 pounds. Frank Zane was 5' 10" 195 pounds. Don Howorth was 5' 9" 210. They weren't 4% bf -- more like 10%. And looked great as far as I'm concerned.
By the way, here's a pic of Don in his "juiced" state of 20 mgs of dbol a day. Google Image Result for http://www.donhoworth.com/images/DonHoworth.jpg
both transformation contestants used low dosages. bader did as well.. i think moya did too.
my tren log i put up i used 250-500mg per week cyp and 100 tren EOD, and then ran 100 mast EOD .. sometimes stacking the 3 of them together. and my cycle was solid.
i think on this site the members all believe in short conservative cycles.. we have a couple guys who believe in more is better and running 2 year cycles. which is fine, but its not the way i recommend to run AAS.
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UA_Iron
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We'll never truly know what the pros of yesteryear ran to get their physiques.
I have a hard time believing "oh I popped a few dbol and this was the outcome" is anywhere near true. You guys can believe whatever you want, stick your fingers in your ears and go "na na na na" but the fact is that 99% of us aren't gonna look like that on 20mg dbol.
I have a hard time believing "oh I popped a few dbol and this was the outcome" is anywhere near true. You guys can believe whatever you want, stick your fingers in your ears and go "na na na na" but the fact is that 99% of us aren't gonna look like that on 20mg dbol.
That's a little insulting bro. I think that type of thinking is sour grapes and leads to people upping the dosages before learning how to be a better bodybuilder.
I became a body model at age 41 before ever touching a steroid in my life. I was hardly huge, but I looked good and my genetics SUCK. In my avatar photo, at age 44, I did 200 mgs of primo and a couple of dbol a day for a month before the show. That's it. I see guys half my age who do ten times that much and don't look as good. We've become too used to thinking it's ALL drugs. It isn;t . Or at least, it doesn't have to be,
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UA_Iron
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I never said you looked bad Nelson.
I have no sour grapes, I'm where I want to be at and being bigger isn't that appealing to me anymore.
Being cut makes everyone look better, and admittedly thats the toughest thing to do. Dieting would help people (on this board) more than trying to overcompensate with higher doses.
And Tom, I've blown up on 20mg dbol/day. I wouldnt dream of going over 30mg/day. Stuff makes me feel like crap. I had the bloated red faced monster look going on.
All these facts aside, pros of today take a ton of drugs, and I still stand by my belief that they did back in the day too.
No, I didn't take it personally bro -- just saying that claiming some of these guys might be lying because it's impossible to look like that without high dosages, that's just not true. Now obviously you can;t look like a modern day pro without an insane about of drugs, but that's a different thing.
