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Some bullshit myths imho

galaxy

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1. Test takes 4 weeks to kick in- I can feel test enanthate working in days. Im not saying Im blowing up, all kinds of massive and shit, Im just saying I notice increased erections and better pumps.

2. You need a fancy PCT regimen- Nothing works better than 3 weeks of HCG with nolvadex followed by another 3 weeks of clomid. Clenbuterul can be used also. And you dont need to time all this stuff just perfect. Just start it at the end of your cycle. Being all concerned about which day is a waste of time. This whole PCT craze is just a bunch of people trying to reinvent the wheel and adding in there own fancy crap , and thats all its really worth, crap.

3. Split your dbol dose into 4 times a day- You really think Ronnie Coleman is concerned about this? Just get it in you. Dont matter when, your just splitting hairs.

4. Dbol only cycles are a waste and for pussys- Hey, if you dont want to use needles, I dont blame you. Hell, I said the same thing myself ages ago. Anyway, I made great gains and kept most of them on just dbol. I just lost some water. Of course everyone is different and you may lose more.

5. What gear is good for retaining gains- This one makes me nuts. Listen, you will only maintain what your body is naturally able to maintain. If your genetic allow you to keep 250lbs of musle than thats what you will keep. If your only able to keep 200lbs than that is what you will keep. NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO!.......Sure some steroids cause you to crash harder and this can lead to losing gains, but in the end your only gonna keep what you naturally can and no steroid creates some MAGICAL muscle that is more easily retained. Also, if your still not close too your genetic potential then you will continue to keep most of your gains as long as you keep you lifting, rest, and diet in check

6. Anavar is safe- Ok, thats total bullshit. Anavar put my hdl in the toilet quicker than a sea gulls digestive system. Not to mention destroyed my joints. But if your intent on using anavar use it with some creatine to help the joints.

7. Primobolan is the best steroid- Another total bullshit claim. Its pure garbage and way overpriced. Remember the pricey juice is pricey because there is less androgenic properties, thus less bloat, but with todays anti e's bloat has never been easier to control. A low dose of test with a mild low dose of arimidex is a much better choice for gains and much easier on the wallet. THE ONLY BENEFIT OF PRIMO IS IN A CALORIE RESTRICTED DIET. Thats why it was popular back in the day. Arnold and Franco didnt have aromatase inhibitors and had to watch that shit a little more closely.

8. IGF for musle gains- I still havent seen the photos of members blowing up on this shit so Im still not buying it. Remember we have board members in this community who blew up off bogus Tweak labs gear. The mind and placebo is a very powerful and confusing thing. Just watch what you read and take it with a grain of salt.

9. NPP and Oral Tbol- Ok why? Again, more people trying to reinvent the wheel. Nothing beats Test, deca and dbol for bulking, followed by some winny to help progesterone sides from the deca. And again the gold standard for cutting is fina, prop and winny. If you gonna do a show then add some halo. Again, nothing fancy just basic stuff. I guess boring stuff. But, being we have the internet were always trying to come up with something better. I just think we lose a little site of the basics and what really works. NOT TO MENTION ALOT OF SUPPOSED GURUS WHO DO MORE TYPING THAN WORKING OUT. Just dont complicate this stuff is all Im saying. DIET, HEAVY LIFTING AND RESTING. Throw in some Test, deca and dbol and your good. If you need to replace the deca, do it with EQ.

10. RECEPTOR CLEANING OUT- You dont need to come off to keep making gains. However you will reach a point that you do need to up doses to continue making gains. Again, this comes down to a genetic thing and you body will only be able to get so big on 1000mgs of test no matter what you do. I dont think this myth is perpetuated too much anymore anyway. This is more of a gym myth still.

11. Clomid makes you cum like a porn star- Not this cat, but its not like Ive done scientific research to back the claim. HCG does work for me tho.

12. High post count means knowledge- HAHA....That means nothing. Tells me someone has far too much time on there hands and does more typing than lifting. Really tho, Im just jealous of them that they have that kind of time.

13. Female on chat says she hasnt had sex in 3 months- This is like a typical standard answer. I know generally we multiply by three when a female tells us how many she has slept with. Not sure on this one, but I know its a complete crock of shit. And trust me, if she sent you nudes, there are about 10 other dudes who got em too.

Anyway, just some of my opinions. Agree or disagree, it dont really matter to me. Its just the internet. A place for us all to grandstand and feel were all the life of the party.
 
Hmmmm. Nice post. My post count does not anyway mean I know about roids or know enough to be able to give good solid advice. I prefer to answer on the medical side of things and my experiences.

I did like the post however. I am going to try an all oral cycle on my next one.
 
Nice post.... Too many people take advice from others and think it's gospel. What works for you may not work well for me. Alot of it is how your body reacts personally to that specific compound.

I also feel Test E within the first week. You have lot's of valid points there. I hope EVERYONE takes a good read.
 
BOWTECH said:
Nice post.... Too many people take advice from others and think it's gospel. What works for you may not work well for me. Alot of it is how your body reacts personally to that specific compound.

I also feel testosterone enanthate within the first week. You have lot's of valid points there. I hope EVERYONE takes a good read.

Also your Var point....I had blood work done and it destroyed my "good cholesterol" levels. It's amazing that people will believe everything they are told. ALL AAS will have an effect on your body good or bad.
 
I agree about 99% on this post. Good points. Especially #1, 5, & 10.

Test e or c starts working from day one but you start really realizing it in about 3 weeks or so with your lifts. Just for the simple fact it is impossible to jump 50 pounds on bench on day one of your shot.

Receptor cleaning out is ridiculous. So is needing more gear in every cycle beyond your first because your body doesn't respond as well. It just so happens that when you are 250 pounds, it is possible that 500mg of test per week doesn't work as well as when you were 200 pounds. Also you can make gains as fast even naturally the more advanced you get.

The only thing I would add is that in no way shape or form does boldenone work the same as deka, nor does is produce the same strength or size gains. Guys don't want the bloat and I can understand that. But it just isn't the same and you have to use more mgs at twice the cost mg for mg. Just take the deka and all natural diuretics and stop eating 500g of carbs per day and you shouldn't bloat much at all.
 
i agree about the test. i was getting results from it in 3 weeks the first time i did it. this last time, i bought ugl test, and it took almost 5 weeks to see anything. the first time i had all the energy in the world, this past time, i was tired all the fuckin time. i think results will vary depending on the ugl, and pharm grade always rocks! just my 2
 
You should add to that this:

"bigger guys need to take more test then smaller guys"

Sorry not true. If it was there would not be 200lb guys on this board using a gram of test when IFBB pro's use less.
Also, I maintain 250lbs, pretty lean, and my test levels are 302ng/dl which is around 30mgs of test production a week.
If you can't grow on 250mg's you don't know how to eat!
 
I know GALAXY and this post should be a sticky for NEWBIES.............

Great post bro.......


galaxy said:
1. Test takes 4 weeks to kick in- I can feel test enanthate working in days. Im not saying Im blowing up, all kinds of massive and shit, Im just saying I notice increased erections and better pumps.

2. You need a fancy PCT - post cycle therapy - regimen- Nothing works better than 3 weeks of HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - with nolvadex followed by another 3 weeks of clomid. Clenbuterul can be used also. And you dont need to time all this stuff just perfect. Just start it at the end of your cycle. Being all concerned about which day is a waste of time. This whole PCT craze is just a bunch of people trying to reinvent the wheel and adding in there own fancy crap , and thats all its really worth, crap.

3. Split your Dianabol - methandrostenolone - dose into 4 times a day- You really think Ronnie Coleman is concerned about this? Just get it in you. Dont matter when, your just splitting hairs.

4. Dbol only cycles are a waste and for pussys- Hey, if you dont want to use needles, I dont blame you. Hell, I said the same thing myself ages ago. Anyway, I made great gains and kept most of them on just Dianabol - methandrostenolone - . I just lost some water. Of course everyone is different and you may lose more.

5. What gear is good for retaining gains- This one makes me nuts. Listen, you will only maintain what your body is naturally able to maintain. If your genetic allow you to keep 250lbs of musle than thats what you will keep. If your only able to keep 200lbs than that is what you will keep. NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO!.......Sure some steroids cause you to crash harder and this can lead to losing gains, but in the end your only gonna keep what you naturally can and no steroid creates some MAGICAL muscle that is more easily retained. Also, if your still not close too your genetic potential then you will continue to keep most of your gains as long as you keep you lifting, rest, and diet in check

6. Anavar is safe- Ok, thats total bullshit. Anavar put my hdl in the toilet quicker than a sea gulls digestive system. Not to mention destroyed my joints. But if your intent on using anavar use it with some creatine to help the joints.

7. Primobolan is the best steroid- Another total bullshit claim. Its pure garbage and way overpriced. Remember the pricey juice is pricey because there is less androgenic properties, thus less bloat, but with todays anti e's bloat has never been easier to control. A low dose of test with a mild low dose of arimidex is a much better choice for gains and much easier on the wallet. THE ONLY BENEFIT OF Primobolan - methenolone - IS IN A CALORIE RESTRICTED DIET. Thats why it was popular back in the day. Arnold and Franco didnt have aromatase inhibitors and had to watch that shit a little more closely.

8. IGF for musle gains- I still havent seen the photos of members blowing up on this shit so Im still not buying it. Remember we have board members in this community who blew up off bogus Tweak labs gear. The mind and placebo is a very powerful and confusing thing. Just watch what you read and take it with a grain of salt.

9. NPP - Nandrolone PhenylPropionate - and Oral Turanabol- Ok why? Again, more people trying to reinvent the wheel. Nothing beats Test, Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - and Dianabol - methandrostenolone - for bulking, followed by some Winstrol - stanozolol to help progesterone sides from the Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - . And again the gold standard for cutting is Finaplix - trenbolone acetate - , testosterone propionate and Winstrol - stanozolol. If you gonna do a show then add some halo. Again, nothing fancy just basic stuff. I guess boring stuff. But, being we have the internet were always trying to come up with something better. I just think we lose a little site of the basics and what really works. NOT TO MENTION ALOT OF SUPPOSED GURUS WHO DO MORE TYPING THAN WORKING OUT. Just dont complicate this stuff is all Im saying. DIET, HEAVY LIFTING AND RESTING. Throw in some Test, Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - and Dianabol - methandrostenolone - and your good. If you need to replace the Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - , do it with Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - .

10. RECEPTOR CLEANING OUT- You dont need to come off to keep making gains. However you will reach a point that you do need to up doses to continue making gains. Again, this comes down to a genetic thing and you body will only be able to get so big on 1000mgs of test no matter what you do. I dont think this myth is perpetuated too much anymore anyway. This is more of a gym myth still.

11. Clomid makes you cum like a porn star- Not this cat, but its not like Ive done scientific research to back the claim. HCG does work for me tho.

12. High post count means knowledge- HAHA....That means nothing. Tells me someone has far too much time on there hands and does more typing than lifting. Really tho, Im just jealous of them that they have that kind of time.

13. Female on chat says she hasnt had sex in 3 months- This is like a typical standard answer. I know generally we multiply by three when a female tells us how many she has slept with. Not sure on this one, but I know its a complete crock of shit. And trust me, if she sent you nudes, there are about 10 other dudes who got em too.

Anyway, just some of my opinions. Agree or disagree, it dont really matter to me. Its just the internet. A place for us all to grandstand and feel were all the life of the party.
 
slat1 said:
You should add to that this:

"bigger guys need to take more test then smaller guys"

Sorry not true. If it was there would not be 200lb guys on this board using a gram of test when IFBB pro's use less.
Also, I maintain 250lbs, pretty lean, and my test levels are 302ng/dl which is around 30mgs of test production a week.
If you can't grow on 250mg's you don't know how to eat!


I totally agree with this guy about the amount of test needed to grow. I think a gram a week of test is a waste.
 
agree with all--except the test e--i felt the sex drive go through the roof the first week but i did not feel that----whatever that feeling is you get from sustenon the first few days until week 3.

otherwise great post
 
Slat/Galaxy/Bow----now we're talking!!
No "do you think so and so is on juice" posts from these guys!!
Top shelf pointers, one can only remember a certain individual hyping up Primo for his own personal benefit, ah those were the days...

p4--Any of these guys will tell you, there is NO comparison btwn Primo and Tren..Personally I've used both several occassions, I won't be using one of them ever again. Tren by far, is one of the most effective ways to go, if you can handle it..
 
flex2win said:
Slat/Galaxy/Bow----now we're talking!!
No "do you think so and so is on juice" posts from these guys!!
Top shelf pointers, one can only remember a certain individual hyping up Primobolan - methenolone - for his own personal benefit, ah those were the days...

p4--Any of these guys will tell you, there is NO comparison btwn Primo and trenbolone..Personally I've used both several occassions, I won't be using one of them ever again. Tren by far, is one of the most effective ways to go, if you can handle it..


i would start an anti-primo thread but i realize it's a personal thing--three different labs, including old bd stuff, and got a golfball on my ass from every single one--every time.
 
flex2win said:
Slat/Galaxy/Bow----now we're talking!!
No "do you think so and so is on juice" posts from these guys!!
Top shelf pointers, one can only remember a certain individual hyping up Primobolan - methenolone - for his own personal benefit, ah those were the days...

p4--Any of these guys will tell you, there is NO comparison btwn Primo and trenbolone..Personally I've used both several occassions, I won't be using one of them ever again. Tren by far, is one of the most effective ways to go, if you can handle it..

so the price had nothing to do with prim and tren? trens just better overall? howcome you wont be using either of them again, sides??
 
Price wasn't an issue at the time for Primo, now it's about availability and authenticity.
Plus, when you could make your own tren, you knew it was legit...
I liked them both, used primo for precontest and off, stacked very well with dbol/test..
Fina stacks with just about anything, but night sweat were terrible first time around.
 
thats exactly how i feel about fina. i know exactly what im getting. all the gear i have bought has come from ugl's only. fortunately my prop is legit, thanks god. sore as a bitch and hard all the time! lol. hey bro, how is the strength comparing the tren and primo?
 
Good Stuff....I like the article but how much of it is just from your experience and some of your friends and how much is research certified?? Dont get me wrong i like it just trying to look at it objectivly
 
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P4D2A022 said:
thats exactly how i feel about Finaplix - trenbolone acetate - . i know exactly what im getting. all the gear i have bought has come from ugl's only. fortunately my testosterone propionate is legit, thanks god. sore as a bitch and hard all the time! lol. hey bro, how is the strength comparing the trenbolone and Primobolan - methenolone - ?
oh you didn't know. primmo the best thing ever. granted you won't put a huge increase on the weight and reps in the gym and be hard as nails in a shorter period of time(with proper dieting) and you wouldn't have to spend a huge chunk of money. other than that primo is supposed to be all that. whatever it is.
 
st8grad said:
I agree about 99% on this post. Good points. Especially #1, 5, & 10.


The only thing I would add is that in no way shape or form does boldenone work the same as deka, nor does is produce the same strength or size gains. Guys don't want the bloat and I can understand that. But it just isn't the same and you have to use more mgs at twice the cost mg for mg. Just take the deka and all natural diuretics and stop eating 500g of carbs per day and you shouldn't bloat much at all.


I agree, im just saying for guys who dont want to do deca , the basic compound to alternate in would be eq. But yeah, no where near as good as deca.
 
P4D2A022 said:
gal, i like the post bro. so how do u think Primobolan - methenolone - compares to trenbolone ace??


Cant even compare. Tren turns you into an animal. Increase mass, power, definition and unfortunately sides like nite sweats. Tren is just awesome tho. Primo as major dissappointment.
 
Me thinks what you said about pct is crap. thank you very much. Why? hmmm it don't work for every one. Ya it works for you thats great. Hell it may even work for more then a few people but not every one. Also even if it dos work shit loads of people hate the way clomid makes them feel. No way your going to dispute that! Also there are products like dermacrine sustain and others that people all over are loving every thing about. People want there dick to work when they come off cycle. People don;t want to fee like shit when coming off cycle. People don't want to cry like a girl coming off cycle ether.


I have seen 50000000000000 of these dame " I got the rules for you to follow threads"
They are a great fad for the day and get lots of post. When its all said and don though. Every one is deferent and there was 50000000 " I have the rules threads" before you and there will be just as many after you.

next!!!!!!!!!
 
Hey galaxy, im gonna shoot you an email about something. expect one from a hushmail addy similar to my handle here. thanks
 
Selfcentor said:
Good Stuff....I like the article but how much of it is just from your experience and some of your friends and how much is research certified?? Dont get me wrong i like it just trying to look at it objectivly
smart man.
 
People blame clomid but its not justified. They feel like shit because they are off cycle and the zits are from hormonal flux of being off. Not the clomid. And the reported visions problems from clomid come from being on clomid for over a year. Again, like I said. People will say they had vision problems on day one, these are the same guys who blew up off of fake gear. Also, erections and sex drive will always be a problem with some of the guys when they come off. Shit you go from 1000mgs of test and fucking 8 times a days to nothing. Its unavoidable. The best thing we can do is limit that time. But there will be a short period where it sucks. There is no way around it.

And as far as certified info. Well its Galaxy certified and I approve this message..........I said it was just some of my honest opinions bro. By no means is it the holy grail, but I am pretty confident I look damn good and do know what Im talking about and have read these boards for over 8 years and some things have sunk in.

Didnt mean to strike a cord with your dermacrine/sustain thingy needto. Didnt even have you in mind. I was thinking more of another supposed gurus addition of exemastane and vitamin e.

But since you mention the dermacrin thing I will say that in probably a couple years if history holds true on these boards, we probably will see a new improved dermacrine or there will be something entirely new being sold on elite. I guess that could be #12.lol
 
galaxy said:
People blame clomid but its not justified. They feel like shit because they are off cycle and the zits are from hormonal flux of being off. Not the clomid. And the reported visions problems from clomid come from being on clomid for over a year. Again, like I said. People will say they had vision problems on day one, these are the same guys who blew up off of fake gear.

And as far as certified info. Well its Galaxy certified and I approve this message..........I said it was just some of my honest opinions bro. By no means is it the holy grail, but I am pretty confident I look damn good and do know what Im talking about and have read these boards for over 8 years and some things have sunk in.

Didnt mean to strike a cord with your dermacrine/sustain thingy needto. Didnt even have you in mind. I was thinking more of another supposed gurus addition of exemastane and vitamin e.

But since you mention the dermacrin thing I will say that in probably a couple years if history holds true on these boards, we probably will see a new improved dermacrine or there will be something entirely new being sold on elite. I guess that could be #12.lol
Why do hundreds if not thousands of people who blame the clomid. Use deramcrine sustain or other products and say they felt so much better. Since we are just talking about the boards and what we see.
 
needtogetaas said:
I have seen 50000000000000 of these dame " I got the rules for you to follow threads"
They are a great fad for the day and get lots of post. When its all said and don though. Every one is deferent and there was 50000000 " I have the rules threads" before you and there will be just as many after you.

next!!!!!!!!!

But these are my rules and my opinions. I didnt say they were protocols , just some honest thoughts.

I find your post very interesting however needto. Keep up the great work dog.
 
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galaxy said:
People blame clomid but its not justified. They feel like shit because they are off cycle and the zits are from hormonal flux of being off. Not the clomid. And the reported visions problems from clomid come from being on clomid for over a year. Again, like I said. People will say they had vision problems on day one, these are the same guys who blew up off of fake gear. Also, erections and sex drive will always be a problem with some of the guys when they come off. Shit you go from 1000mgs of test and fucking 8 times a days to nothing. Its unavoidable. The best thing we can do is limit that time. But there will be a short period where it sucks. There is no way around it.

And as far as certified info. Well its Galaxy certified and I approve this message..........I said it was just some of my honest opinions bro. By no means is it the holy grail, but I am pretty confident I look damn good and do know what Im talking about and have read these boards for over 8 years and some things have sunk in.

Didnt mean to strike a cord with your dermacrine/sustain thingy needto. Didnt even have you in mind. I was thinking more of another supposed gurus addition of exemastane and vitamin e.

But since you mention the dermacrin thing I will say that in probably a couple years if history holds true on these boards, we probably will see a new improved dermacrine or there will be something entirely new being sold on elite. I guess that could be #12.lol

Witch only proves that the need to replace clomid is there. Hmmmmmm your not really defending this very well bro. If it was so great no one would ever use any thing else. ya advertising can get some one to try something but to use a old chef term I tell all my employees. It takes a life time to keep a customer, but it only takes them one time to be unsatisfied to lose them. Think about that.
 
galaxy said:
But these are my rules and my opinions. I didnt say they were protocols , just some honest thoughts.

I find your post very interesting however needto. Keep up the great work dog.
I like you to bro,Always have. You know that. Thats why I am just talking here. :) We love something to talk about things here at ef, and I like how the thread has been with out flaming.
 
Honestly i just figured the dermacrine was the newest thing being pushed here on elitefitness so I didnt pay much attention to it. So many things come and go over nite Ive just tuned it out. Plus, Im on steroids for life. My pcp doc gives me 150mgs enanthate a week, so I would have no need for dermacrine. Again, never even gave your dermacrine a thought, but you make some interesting points.

I was hoping other members on the boards would makes some posts about what they felt were myths that just continually get perpetuated on the boards.
 
galaxy said:
Honestly i just figured the dermacrine was the newest thing being pushed here on elitefitness so I didnt pay much attention to it. So many things come and go over nite Ive just tuned it out. Plus, Im on steroids for life. My pcp doc gives me 150mgs enanthate a week, so I would have no need for dermacrine. Again, never even gave your dermacrine a thought, but you make some interesting points.

I was hoping other members on the boards would makes some posts about what they felt were myths that just continually get perpetuated on the boards.
Well I think the myth that clomid is so great and works for every one is bullshit..


:) :) :) :) :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: how about that?

I love you bro I was going to go t bed, but now I am up in this dame thread.
 
Some good points. Agree that test e can be "felt" in the body after 1-2 weeks. I believe that users are often looking for the "wham" factor, which does not happen as its a more of a gradual progression. Disagree with using clomid & nolva as the only effective PCT protocol. Have commented on other threads on this.
 
galaxy said:
1. Test takes 4 weeks to kick in- I can feel test enanthate working in days. Im not saying Im blowing up, all kinds of massive and shit, Im just saying I notice increased erections and better pumps.

2. You need a fancy PCT - post cycle therapy - regimen- Nothing works better than 3 weeks of HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - with nolvadex followed by another 3 weeks of clomid. Clenbuterul can be used also. And you dont need to time all this stuff just perfect. Just start it at the end of your cycle. Being all concerned about which day is a waste of time. This whole PCT craze is just a bunch of people trying to reinvent the wheel and adding in there own fancy crap , and thats all its really worth, crap.

3. Split your Dianabol - methandrostenolone - dose into 4 times a day- You really think Ronnie Coleman is concerned about this? Just get it in you. Dont matter when, your just splitting hairs.

4. Dbol only cycles are a waste and for pussys- Hey, if you dont want to use needles, I dont blame you. Hell, I said the same thing myself ages ago. Anyway, I made great gains and kept most of them on just Dianabol - methandrostenolone - . I just lost some water. Of course everyone is different and you may lose more.

5. What gear is good for retaining gains- This one makes me nuts. Listen, you will only maintain what your body is naturally able to maintain. If your genetic allow you to keep 250lbs of musle than thats what you will keep. If your only able to keep 200lbs than that is what you will keep. NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO!.......Sure some steroids cause you to crash harder and this can lead to losing gains, but in the end your only gonna keep what you naturally can and no steroid creates some MAGICAL muscle that is more easily retained. Also, if your still not close too your genetic potential then you will continue to keep most of your gains as long as you keep you lifting, rest, and diet in check

6. Anavar is safe- Ok, thats total bullshit. Anavar put my hdl in the toilet quicker than a sea gulls digestive system. Not to mention destroyed my joints. But if your intent on using anavar use it with some creatine to help the joints.

7. Primobolan is the best steroid- Another total bullshit claim. Its pure garbage and way overpriced. Remember the pricey juice is pricey because there is less androgenic properties, thus less bloat, but with todays anti e's bloat has never been easier to control. A low dose of test with a mild low dose of arimidex is a much better choice for gains and much easier on the wallet. THE ONLY BENEFIT OF Primobolan - methenolone - IS IN A CALORIE RESTRICTED DIET. Thats why it was popular back in the day. Arnold and Franco didnt have aromatase inhibitors and had to watch that shit a little more closely.

8. IGF for musle gains- I still havent seen the photos of members blowing up on this shit so Im still not buying it. Remember we have board members in this community who blew up off bogus Tweak labs gear. The mind and placebo is a very powerful and confusing thing. Just watch what you read and take it with a grain of salt.

9. NPP - Nandrolone PhenylPropionate - and Oral Turanabol- Ok why? Again, more people trying to reinvent the wheel. Nothing beats Test, Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - and Dianabol - methandrostenolone - for bulking, followed by some Winstrol - stanozolol to help progesterone sides from the Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - . And again the gold standard for cutting is Finaplix - trenbolone acetate - , testosterone propionate and Winstrol - stanozolol. If you gonna do a show then add some halo. Again, nothing fancy just basic stuff. I guess boring stuff. But, being we have the internet were always trying to come up with something better. I just think we lose a little site of the basics and what really works. NOT TO MENTION ALOT OF SUPPOSED GURUS WHO DO MORE TYPING THAN WORKING OUT. Just dont complicate this stuff is all Im saying. DIET, HEAVY LIFTING AND RESTING. Throw in some Test, Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - and Dianabol - methandrostenolone - and your good. If you need to replace the Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - , do it with Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - .

10. RECEPTOR CLEANING OUT- You dont need to come off to keep making gains. However you will reach a point that you do need to up doses to continue making gains. Again, this comes down to a genetic thing and you body will only be able to get so big on 1000mgs of test no matter what you do. I dont think this myth is perpetuated too much anymore anyway. This is more of a gym myth still.

11. Clomid makes you cum like a porn star- Not this cat, but its not like Ive done scientific research to back the claim. HCG does work for me tho.

12. High post count means knowledge- HAHA....That means nothing. Tells me someone has far too much time on there hands and does more typing than lifting. Really tho, Im just jealous of them that they have that kind of time.

13. Female on chat says she hasnt had sex in 3 months- This is like a typical standard answer. I know generally we multiply by three when a female tells us how many she has slept with. Not sure on this one, but I know its a complete crock of shit. And trust me, if she sent you nudes, there are about 10 other dudes who got em too.

Anyway, just some of my opinions. Agree or disagree, it dont really matter to me. Its just the internet. A place for us all to grandstand and feel were all the life of the party.

Agreed.

Like the "fancy cycles" people are all on nowadays with 5-6-7-8 different compunds...people do the same with PCT.

I just think it's not necessary. It's funny to see someone on a Test./deca./dbol. cycle make better gains that someone on a cycle with 8 of the "latest, greatest" types of gear. Then the person on the simple cycle will run HCG and proviron -or- aromasin -or- nolvadex, and keep a greater % of their gains than the person running 6 drugs/compunds for PCT.

Reminds me of the old "cycles for pennies" thread. LOL.
 
galaxy said:
1. Test takes 4 weeks to kick in- I can feel test enanthate working in days. Im not saying Im blowing up, all kinds of massive and shit, Im just saying I notice increased erections and better pumps.
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EXCUSE THE CAPS. IT'S FOR CLARITY AND SPEED.

AS FOR THIS FIRST POINT, I'VE ALWAYS SAID THIS. TEST KICKS IN WITHIN HOURS AND CAN BE FELT IN A FEW DAYS.


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2. You need a fancy PCT - post cycle therapy - regimen- Nothing works better than 3 weeks of HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - with nolvadex followed by another 3 weeks of clomid.

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MAYBE FOR YOU. I COULDN'T DISAGREE MORE. THAT'S TOO LONG TO USE HC G, AND NOLVA IS NEXT TO WORTLESS AS A PC DRUG AND CLOMID DOEN'T WORK FOR HALF THE PEOPLE WHO USE IT AND IT HAS NASTY SIDES. THERE ARE SIMPLY BETTER. SAFER AND MORE EFFECTIVE METHODS OF PC T.


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Clenbuterul can be used also.

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THAT'S JUST WRONG. CLEN DOES NOTING TO RESTORE HPTA OR PREVENT CATABOLISM. IF FACT, IT'S CATABOLIC.


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And you dont need to time all this stuff just perfect. Just start it at the end of your cycle. Being all concerned about which day is a waste of time. This whole PCT craze is just a bunch of people trying to reinvent the wheel and adding in there own fancy crap , and thats all its really worth, crap.

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I THINK THAT TIMING OF MANY THINGS IS OVERRATED, INCLUDING NUTRIENTS.


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3. Split your Dianabol - methandrostenolone - dose into 4 times a day- You really think Ronnie Coleman is concerned about this? Just get it in you. Dont matter when, your just splitting hairs.

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WELL, IF YOU WANT TO USE AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE AND HAVE AS EVEN A LEVEL AS POSSIBLE, THEN YES. IF IT'S JUST A PART OF MANY OTHER HIGH DOSAGES OF DRUGS, THEN NO, IT DOESN;T MATTER MUCH.

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4. Dbol only cycles are a waste and for pussys- Hey, if you dont want to use needles, I dont blame you. Hell, I said the same thing myself ages ago. Anyway, I made great gains and kept most of them on just Dianabol - methandrostenolone - . I just lost some water. Of course everyone is different and you may lose more.

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AGREED.


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5. What gear is good for retaining gains- This one makes me nuts. Listen, you will only maintain what your body is naturally able to maintain. If your genetic allow you to keep 250lbs of musle than thats what you will keep. If your only able to keep 200lbs than that is what you will keep. NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO!.......Sure some steroids cause you to crash harder and this can lead to losing gains, but in the end your only gonna keep what you naturally can and no steroid creates some MAGICAL muscle that is more easily retained. Also, if your still not close too your genetic potential then you will continue to keep most of your gains as long as you keep you lifting, rest, and diet in check

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DEBATABLE BUT VALID.


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6. Anavar is safe- Ok, thats total bullshit. Anavar put my hdl in the toilet quicker than a sea gulls digestive system. Not to mention destroyed my joints. But if your intent on using anavar use it with some creatine to help the joints.

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HAVE SAID THIS MANY TIMES.


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7. Primobolan is the best steroid- Another total bullshit claim. Its pure garbage and way overpriced. Remember the pricey juice is pricey because there is less androgenic properties, thus less bloat, but with todays anti e's bloat has never been easier to control. A low dose of test with a mild low dose of arimidex is a much better choice for gains and much easier on the wallet. THE ONLY BENEFIT OF Primobolan - methenolone - IS IN A CALORIE RESTRICTED DIET. Thats why it was popular back in the day. Arnold and Franco didnt have aromatase inhibitors and had to watch that shit a little more closely.

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PRIMO IS AS PERFECT AS A STEROID CAN BE IN REGARD TO THE RISK/BENEFIT RATIO. BUT IT'S TRUE, TOO MANY PEOPLE JUDGE A PARTICULAR SUBSTANCE INCORRECTLY.


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8. IGF for musle gains- I still havent seen the photos of members blowing up on this shit so Im still not buying it. Remember we have board members in this community who blew up off bogus Tweak labs gear. The mind and placebo is a very powerful and confusing thing. Just watch what you read and take it with a grain of salt.

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FAR TOO DANGEROUS FOR QUESTIONABLE BENEFIT. I'D ADD INSULIN AND GH TO THAT AS WELL.

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9. NPP - Nandrolone PhenylPropionate - and Oral Turanabol- Ok why? Again, more people trying to reinvent the wheel. Nothing beats Test, Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - and Dianabol - methandrostenolone - for bulking, followed by some Winstrol - stanozolol to help progesterone sides from the Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate -


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DECA SUCKS. IT'S AN OUTDATED DRUG WITH FAR TOO MANY SIDES.




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. And again the gold standard for cutting is Finaplix - trenbolone acetate -

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DRAMATIC RESULTS. DRAMATIC NEGATIVE SIDES. NO THANKS.


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, testosterone propionate


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ANOTHER OUTDATED DRUG. NO BENEFIT OVER ETH.


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and Winstrol - stanozolol. If you gonna do a show then add some halo. Again, nothing fancy just basic stuff. I guess boring stuff. But, being we have the internet were always trying to come up with something better. I just think we lose a little site of the basics and what really works. NOT TO MENTION ALOT OF SUPPOSED GURUS WHO DO MORE TYPING THAN WORKING OUT.

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ESPECIALLY ON BB.COM : )


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Just dont complicate this stuff is all Im saying. DIET, HEAVY LIFTING AND RESTING. Throw in some Test, Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - and Dianabol - methandrostenolone - and your good. If you need to replace the Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - , do it with Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - .

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PERSONAL OPINION. NEITHER RIGHT OR WRONG.


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10. RECEPTOR CLEANING OUT- You dont need to come off to keep making gains. However you will reach a point that you do need to up doses to continue making gains. Again, this comes down to a genetic thing and you body will only be able to get so big on 1000mgs of test no matter what you do. I dont think this myth is perpetuated too much anymore anyway. This is more of a gym myth still.

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YOU NEED TO COME OFF IF YOU WANT A WORKING HPTA WHEN YOU'RE 35.


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11. Clomid makes you cum like a porn star- Not this cat, but its not like Ive done scientific research to back the claim. HCG does work for me tho.

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AGREED. WISHFUL THINKING. PLACEBO. RUMOR. CLOMID ACTUALLY DECREASES EJACULATE IN MANY PEOPLE.

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12. High post count means knowledge- HAHA....That means nothing. Tells me someone has far too much time on there hands and does more typing than lifting. Really tho, Im just jealous of them that they have that kind of time.

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HIGH POST COUNT JUST MEANS THE PERSON IS DEDICATED TO THE SITE. WHEN SOMEONE WITH 4 POSTS STARTS TALKING SHIT, THEY HAVEN'T EARNED THAT RIGHT. THAT'S ALL IT MEANS TO ME.


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13. Female on chat says she hasnt had sex in 3 months-

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WHAT'S HER NUMBER?


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This is like a typical standard answer. I know generally we multiply by three when a female tells us how many she has slept with. Not sure on this one, but I know its a complete crock of shit. And trust me, if she sent you nudes, there are about 10 other dudes who got em too.

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OH, SHE'S TRYING TO SOLICITE? WHAT'S THIS HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING?

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Anyway, just some of my opinions. Agree or disagree, it dont really matter to me. Its just the internet. A place for us all to grandstand and feel were all the life of the party.

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LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE, THERE'S SOME GOOD, SOME BAD. PROCESS, PONDER, USE WHAT MAKES SENSE, DISCARD THE REST. EVEN THIS.

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galaxy said:
2. You need a fancy PCT - post cycle therapy - regimen- Nothing works better than 3 weeks of HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - with nolvadex followed by another 3 weeks of clomid. Clenbuterul can be used also. And you dont need to time all this stuff just perfect. Just start it at the end of your cycle. Being all concerned about which day is a waste of time. This whole PCT craze is just a bunch of people trying to reinvent the wheel and adding in there own fancy crap , and thats all its really worth, crap.



what works for you may not work for others. if you can recover off hcg and nolva well good on you, if you need hcg clomid and a boat load of other otc or not products then you need them, its that simple. nolva is shit imo and will never use again.
 
galaxy said:
...13. Female on chat says she hasnt had sex in 3 months- This is like a typical standard answer. I know generally we multiply by three when a female tells us how many she has slept with. Not sure on this one, but I know its a complete crock of shit. And trust me, if she sent you nudes, there are about 10 other dudes who got em too.

your wrong man. you don't know her. she said its only me and it's true love this time!...
 
I guess one thing to come back around on is Primmo. If you can afford it then it can be a fantastic compound for both cutting and bulking. Mainly the reason why is that it is the only steroid that is proven to increase nitrogen retention in a caloric deficit.

If you have the cash the by all means use Primmo in your stack. But if you think you need to get all fancy to get cut or keep a hard edge while bulking then definitely Primmo can be a waste of money if you don't really have the extra cash to spend on it. It's smarter to go with something cheaper.
 
I would like to point out that we are dealing with a man that put "imho" in the thread tittle not IMO. I think he meant in my horrible opinion :heks:
 
The times I took primo or eq I noticed NOTHING special and had minimal gains. Seemed like a complete waste of time and money.

But all the times I took deca or tren I had VERY noticable gains.

So, why anyone would take something that is expensive as shit, does almost nothing, and takes forever to "kick in" is beyond me.

Agreed
 
Seems like Anavar is bad for Cholesterol, but is it good for strengh and cutting. I have been using winstrol, but I read that Anavar is a notch better than Winstrol just more expensive. Also has anyone ever substituted Anadrol in place of D-BOL? I did once and I got the same gains, but I felt a lot better.
 
i agree with everything the OP said

i also want to add one
test is a must for every cycle
what happened to the dbol/deca cycles that were used for decades?
 
5x10 said:
i agree with everything the OP said

i also want to add one
test is a must for every cycle
what happened to the Dianabol - methandrostenolone - /Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - cycles that were used for decades?


People got tired of the Gynno.
 
test ox human growth hormone - somatropin - hgc Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - NPP - Nandrolone PhenylPropionate - Winstrol - stanozolol Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - NPP - Nandrolone PhenylPropionate - human growth hormone - somatropin - HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - Anavar - oxandrolone - Anadrol 50 - oxymetholone - Anadrol 50 - oxymetholone - Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - Anavar - oxandrolone - PCT - post cycle therapy -

hgc pct upset stomach diarrea var winny pct deca npp npp test hgh hgh hcg
 
Anavar lipid issues are easy too RX. Niacin, Flax, Fish, etc. That's a stupid reason to dis Anavar. It's one of the all time greats. Your opinions are just that. Far from being set in stone. You can't generalize like that because we all react differantly.
 
halfcenturian said:
Anavar lipid issues are easy too RX. Niacin, Flax, Fish, etc. That's a stupid reason to dis Anavar. It's one of the all time greats. Your opinions are just that. Far from being set in stone. You can't generalize like that because we all react differantly.

I take crestor, fish oil and niacin and they still plummeted. My routine is very regimented and routine, so hardly stupid. But yes, just my opinion. This is hardly the holy grail.

Also, all PRODUCT PUSHERS please refrain from posting in my threads. :qt: :heart: :heart: :heart:
 
galaxy said:
I take crestor, fish oil and niacin and they still plummeted. My routine is very regimented and routine, so hardly stupid. But yes, just my opinion. This is hardly the holy grail.

Also, all PRODUCT PUSHERS please refrain from posting in my threads. :qt: :heart: :heart: :heart:
I have to say bro this is a really really good thread. In fact its like best of elite good. :p
 
great thread .. enjoyed reading galaxy and nelsons thoughts a bunch :)
 
nice post
 
14. If your trying to prevent bad side effects by having to take sustanon ed or eod. Or taking tabs dosed evenly throughout the day. Basically those mythical EVEN blood levels your searching for too keep from growing man boobs. Guess what? YOU TAKING TOO MUCH GEAR
 
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IMO only,unless your getting Schering Primo....your not getting primo. And even if you are...very overpriced considering running b/w 400-800mg/week. I'm not ditching primo here, but your way better off spending $$$$ on Legit Gh, slin, and other assessories. For the same dollar amount, you can get an ample amount of EQ and fina and accomplish more! Perhaps i'm just losing faith in the ug??
 
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