Simple Second Cycle - Expert Advice pls!

[W166Y]

Hi Guys,

First time on here to post after loads of reading...

I'm 6'2" 31yrs old. Training for 10yrs (5 serious) 192lb.

Rough guide to average current ability.

Bench 210lb 4x8reps approx.
Smith Squats 350lb 4x8reps approx.
Deadlift 286lb 4x8reps approx.
DB Curls 40lb 4x8reps approx.

Been steadily increasing from a weedy 154lb over the last 10 years mainly working on fitness.

Past five years I've really been trying to put on size - maintained around 10 - 12% bf throughout so far and two years ago finally got my diet dialled which after all the hard work bumped me over the 180lb mark.

Now stuck at 192lb give or take for the past 10/12mths looking to get to around 215/220lb.

Just finished a tentative first cycle (oral Winstrol only) for six weeks 30mg ed. (including all the added extras LIv-52, Milkthistle, EFAs) Worked well for cutting up - dropped back to 186lb looking lean and mean whilst maintaining all strength in the gym maybe with a slight increase if anything - which was great cos I've been eating REAL clean with a small cut down on carbs.

Now I reckon I've got myself pretty well dialled with training and diet but not sure if I can go any further without the extra assistance.

But of course I'm there are loads of guys on here who know better...

Was considering 8-12 weeks oral Winstrol + Deca for a simple easy to manage second cycle - just looking for help/advice to keep everything going in the right direction.

Hope the post doesn't sound too newbie - Trying to be as concise as poss but still give out some sort of helpful info for a decent chance of some good replies.

Cheers

 

[Bill.Deautreve]

You're just going to take winny and deca?

I'm no expert here, but I'd throw in some test. Just that deca is going to make your penis start falling off.

What are your dosages?

 

[W166Y]

No even got as far as dosages yet - need help! I could do without my penis falling off!!! PCT advice would be great too. Thinking Nolvadex and clomid with maybe Noratten or Tribulus?? I have read up on it but I have time to get it all in place before I start - not gonna go jumping in the deep end...

Will surely get results from reasonably small dosages to start - with gradual increases cycle by cycle

 

[2DIEZEL]

Serously skip the deca/winny only cycle you need some test. Run 500mgs of test for 12weeks and you could add some winny at the end for 4-6 weeks.

 

[euroking]

deca and winstrol together is no good!

if you want mass cycle

deca 500mg ew 12 weeks
testosterone enantat 250mg ew 10 weeks
dbol 40mg ed 4 weeks
pct

Hi Guys,

First time on here to post after loads of reading...

I'm 6'2" 31yrs old. Training for 10yrs (5 serious) 192lb.

Rough guide to average current ability.

Bench 210lb 4x8reps approx.
Smith Squats 350lb 4x8reps approx.
Deadlift 286lb 4x8reps approx.
DB Curls 40lb 4x8reps approx.

Been steadily increasing from a weedy 154lb over the last 10 years mainly working on fitness.

Past five years I've really been trying to put on size - maintained around 10 - 12% bf throughout so far and two years ago finally got my diet dialled which after all the hard work bumped me over the 180lb mark.

Now stuck at 192lb give or take for the past 10/12mths looking to get to around 215/220lb.

Just finished a tentative first cycle (oral Winstrol only) for six weeks 30mg ed. (including all the added extras LIv-52, Milkthistle, EFAs) Worked well for cutting up - dropped back to 186lb looking lean and mean whilst maintaining all strength in the gym maybe with a slight increase if anything - which was great cos I've been eating REAL clean with a small cut down on carbs.

Now I reckon I've got myself pretty well dialled with training and diet but not sure if I can go any further without the extra assistance.

But of course I'm there are loads of guys on here who know better...

Was considering 8-12 weeks oral Winstrol + Deca for a simple easy to manage second cycle - just looking for help/advice to keep everything going in the right direction.

Hope the post doesn't sound too newbie - Trying to be as concise as poss but still give out some sort of helpful info for a decent chance of some good replies.

Cheers

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Serously skip the deca/winny only cycle you need some test. Run 500mgs of test for 12weeks and you could add some winny at the end for 4-6 weeks.

^^^^ yep

maybe 20-25mg dbol ED for the first 4 weeks. that should get you 20 lb if your spot on with everything else. Then after that cycle, run the same thing again but throw in 300mg of deca Wk with it. Those two cycles should get you where you wanna be.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I really have to question when someone 6'2" says they can't get past 200 pounds. Have you tried supps like BIG BLAST? Have you tried upping the weights and sets? What is your daily caloric and protein intake? Nolva and CLomid are also weak options and Tribulus alone won't do much by itself for PCT.

My advice -- a course of Beastdrol with UNLEASHED. (The upcoming product GEAR wouldn't hurt either). You don't need deca yet. You've got a lot of growing to do and deca is not without it's bad sides.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

I really have to question when someone 6'2" says they can't get past 200 pounds. Have you tried supps like BIG BLAST? Have you tried upping the weights and sets? What is your daily caloric and protein intake? Nolva and CLomid are also weak options and Tribulus alone won't do much by itself for PCT.

My advice -- a course of Beastdrol with UNLEASHED. (The upcoming product GEAR wouldn't hurt either). You don't need deca yet. You've got a lot of growing to do and deca is not without it's bad sides.

YEah, the man is right. My bad too, cause I tend to think of my own experiences when advising others. I dont really get sides from anything when the doses are sane. You might get some fucked up sides from deca.

 

[W166Y]

Yeah I know - it bugs the shit outta me! It's not that I've not got over 200lbs - just never in decent shape. Granted I'll be stronger bigger and more powerful but the shape goes every time - just get smooth and rounded as the weight goes on which I hate. Every time I start to cut up I get back under the 200lb mark. This is why I think I've gone as far as I can without the extra help y'know.

 

[sweed]

have you gotten blood work done to see where you're baseline is?
maybe you have low test levels?? not sure, but that will only help you.

test enanthate for 10-12 weeks will really get things moving in a good way.
400-500mgs ew. hcg during the last half and pct with sustain, unleashed, adex.

 

[W166Y]

I really have to question when someone 6'2" says they can't get past 200 pounds. Have you tried supps like BIG BLAST? Have you tried upping the weights and sets? What is your daily caloric and protein intake? Nolva and CLomid are also weak options and Tribulus alone won't do much by itself for PCT.

My advice -- a course of Beastdrol with UNLEASHED. (The upcoming product GEAR wouldn't hurt either). You don't need deca yet. You've got a lot of growing to do and deca is not without it's bad sides.

Sounds like good advice as I'd expect. Big blast sounds pretty awesome from what I've read, one thing that is bothering me tho is 48% RDA Cholesterol per serving!

I hope I can correctly assume this is made up from nearly all "good" Cholesterol?? Cos at 3 servings per day that's 144% RDA! and that seems like a lot to me bro...

However I think with a little assurance I'll be raiding the savings to give it a good go. Is there a supplier in the UK or will I have to get it shipped?

Cheers

 

[sbs40]

192 is light for 6'2", If I was you i'd learn to eat first, when I did I went from 200-215 in one summer(i'm 6'3") , I basically ate when I didn't feel full.

So line up all your good whole food, your supplements(big blast, unleased etc...) and do a 12 week cycle, eat hard, lift hard rest hard.. Just leave out the steriods..

I bet if your "always full" after 12 weeks your up 10-15lbs.. then just imagine doing a cycle after that...

 

[W166Y]

Ok Guys Hopefully I can resurrect this thread?!

This the revised plan is as follows.

wks 1-10 Test E 500mg EW
wks 1-10 Arimadex 1mg ED
wks 7-10 Beastdrol 2 Caps ED
wk 11 Start PCT
wk 11 Nolvadex 40mg ED + Sustain Alpha, Unleashed & Post Cycle
wk 12 Nolvadex 30mg ED + Sustain Alpha, Unleashed & Post Cycle
wk 13 Nolvadex 10mg ED + Sustain Alpha, Unleashed & Post Cycle
wk 14 Sustain Alpha, Unleashed & Post Cycle

Obviously throughout the whole time diet will be clean, Supps good and liver and lipid support used.

Pretty sure it's all good but again - I bow to the superior knowledge of the board.

Cheers

 

[burnthiscorpse]

1mg ED of arimidex is absolutely ludacris. There is no need for it. Unless you have concrete evidence that your going to get gyno from AAS, DONT run an AI unless you absolutely need it. AI's can rob you of gains. 1mg ED of a-dex will fuck your gains and probably your joints too. Especially at 500mg wk of test. I did a week of .5mg eod of adex and my elbows were killing me. I personally dont need an AI anyways. You will never know whether or not you NEED one unless you try without it first. Why run something unless you need it. Dont waste your money unless you have to. But HAVE it on hand.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

.....and if you do seem to need it start low. Like .25mg E3D then move up from there IF you need to. .25mg EOD.

 

[cmanser]

And you should be using 250ius of HCG 2 times per week to keep your gonads going.

Not very expensive and a great way to keep the boys looking and feeling good.

 

[W166Y]

.....and if you do seem to need it start low. Like .25mg E3D then move up from there IF you need to. .25mg EOD.

Good man cheers for that I had meant to put EW just as a back up but if you reckon there's no need unless it's absolutely necessary - I (and my pocket money) can live with that.

 

[W166Y]

And you should be using 250ius of HCG 2 times per week to keep your gonads going.

Not very expensive and a great way to keep the boys looking and feeling good.

Aha! I wondered if HCG might crop up. It defo has been a consideration of mine based on advice of some others but have no clue about how to constitute or use it. Certainly a little more research still required! Any links or suggestions welcome....

Cheers