Simple Second Cycle - Expert Advice pls!

[W166Y]

Hi Guys,

First time on here to post after loads of reading...

I'm 6'2" 31yrs old. Training for 10yrs (5 serious) 192lb.

Rough guide to average current ability.

Bench 210lb 4x8reps approx.
Smith Squats 350lb 4x8reps approx.
Deadlift 286lb 4x8reps approx.
DB Curls 40lb 4x8reps approx.

Been steadily increasing from a weedy 154lb over the last 10 years mainly working on fitness.

Past five years I've really been trying to put on size - maintained around 10 - 12% bf throughout so far and two years ago finally got my diet dialled which after all the hard work bumped me over the 180lb mark.

Now stuck at 192lb give or take for the past 10/12mths looking to get to around 215/220lb.

Just finished a tentative first cycle (oral Winstrol only) for six weeks 30mg ed. (including all the added extras LIv-52, Milkthistle, EFAs) Worked well for cutting up - dropped back to 186lb looking lean and mean whilst maintaining all strength in the gym maybe with a slight increase if anything - which was great cos I've been eating REAL clean with a small cut down on carbs.

Now I reckon I've got myself pretty well dialled with training and diet but not sure if I can go any further without the extra assistance.

But of course I'm there are loads of guys on here who know better...

Was considering 8-12 weeks oral Winstrol + Deca for a simple easy to manage second cycle - just looking for help/advice to keep everything going in the right direction.

Hope the post doesn't sound too newbie - Trying to be as concise as poss but still give out some sort of helpful info for a decent chance of some good replies.

Cheers

 

[Bill.Deautreve]

You're just going to take winny and deca?

I'm no expert here, but I'd throw in some test. Just that deca is going to make your penis start falling off.

What are your dosages?

 

[W166Y]

No even got as far as dosages yet - need help! I could do without my penis falling off!!! PCT advice would be great too. Thinking Nolvadex and clomid with maybe Noratten or Tribulus?? I have read up on it but I have time to get it all in place before I start - not gonna go jumping in the deep end...

Will surely get results from reasonably small dosages to start - with gradual increases cycle by cycle

 

[2DIEZEL]

Serously skip the deca/winny only cycle you need some test. Run 500mgs of test for 12weeks and you could add some winny at the end for 4-6 weeks.

 

[euroking]

deca and winstrol together is no good!

if you want mass cycle

deca 500mg ew 12 weeks
testosterone enantat 250mg ew 10 weeks
dbol 40mg ed 4 weeks
pct

Hi Guys,

First time on here to post after loads of reading...

I'm 6'2" 31yrs old. Training for 10yrs (5 serious) 192lb.

Rough guide to average current ability.

Bench 210lb 4x8reps approx.
Smith Squats 350lb 4x8reps approx.
Deadlift 286lb 4x8reps approx.
DB Curls 40lb 4x8reps approx.

Been steadily increasing from a weedy 154lb over the last 10 years mainly working on fitness.

Past five years I've really been trying to put on size - maintained around 10 - 12% bf throughout so far and two years ago finally got my diet dialled which after all the hard work bumped me over the 180lb mark.

Now stuck at 192lb give or take for the past 10/12mths looking to get to around 215/220lb.

Just finished a tentative first cycle (oral Winstrol only) for six weeks 30mg ed. (including all the added extras LIv-52, Milkthistle, EFAs) Worked well for cutting up - dropped back to 186lb looking lean and mean whilst maintaining all strength in the gym maybe with a slight increase if anything - which was great cos I've been eating REAL clean with a small cut down on carbs.

Now I reckon I've got myself pretty well dialled with training and diet but not sure if I can go any further without the extra assistance.

But of course I'm there are loads of guys on here who know better...

Was considering 8-12 weeks oral Winstrol + Deca for a simple easy to manage second cycle - just looking for help/advice to keep everything going in the right direction.

Hope the post doesn't sound too newbie - Trying to be as concise as poss but still give out some sort of helpful info for a decent chance of some good replies.

Cheers

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Serously skip the deca/winny only cycle you need some test. Run 500mgs of test for 12weeks and you could add some winny at the end for 4-6 weeks.

^^^^ yep

maybe 20-25mg dbol ED for the first 4 weeks. that should get you 20 lb if your spot on with everything else. Then after that cycle, run the same thing again but throw in 300mg of deca Wk with it. Those two cycles should get you where you wanna be.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I really have to question when someone 6'2" says they can't get past 200 pounds. Have you tried supps like BIG BLAST? Have you tried upping the weights and sets? What is your daily caloric and protein intake? Nolva and CLomid are also weak options and Tribulus alone won't do much by itself for PCT.

My advice -- a course of Beastdrol with UNLEASHED. (The upcoming product GEAR wouldn't hurt either). You don't need deca yet. You've got a lot of growing to do and deca is not without it's bad sides.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

I really have to question when someone 6'2" says they can't get past 200 pounds. Have you tried supps like BIG BLAST? Have you tried upping the weights and sets? What is your daily caloric and protein intake? Nolva and CLomid are also weak options and Tribulus alone won't do much by itself for PCT.

My advice -- a course of Beastdrol with UNLEASHED. (The upcoming product GEAR wouldn't hurt either). You don't need deca yet. You've got a lot of growing to do and deca is not without it's bad sides.

YEah, the man is right. My bad too, cause I tend to think of my own experiences when advising others. I dont really get sides from anything when the doses are sane. You might get some fucked up sides from deca.

 

[W166Y]

Yeah I know - it bugs the shit outta me! It's not that I've not got over 200lbs - just never in decent shape. Granted I'll be stronger bigger and more powerful but the shape goes every time - just get smooth and rounded as the weight goes on which I hate. Every time I start to cut up I get back under the 200lb mark. This is why I think I've gone as far as I can without the extra help y'know.

 

[sweed]

have you gotten blood work done to see where you're baseline is?
maybe you have low test levels?? not sure, but that will only help you.

test enanthate for 10-12 weeks will really get things moving in a good way.
400-500mgs ew. hcg during the last half and pct with sustain, unleashed, adex.