Shutdown - help needed!

[Deanc2505]

Hi All - this is my first post on this board and I'm looking for some advice on getting my test levels back on track... From nearly 2 years ago!!!

I did 3 cycles of steroids previously with the most recent finishing in July 2010, this consisted of:

Test 450
Equipoise
Winstrol

I used Arimidex and then Aromisin (when I felt the arimidex wasn't working) as on cycle anti E and nova as a SERM - the anti E were 'wildcat' and I'm not sure that I trust the quality.

Then PCT consisted of HCG and Clomid

However I never properly recovered... I started feeling the affects of Gynecomastia during my final cycle which got pretty bad and nothng seemed to help anti E or SERM's (novadex).... After being off cycle for about a year I had surgery to remove the gyno (massively puffy left nipple) at a cost of £1700!.... A year on and suddenly the right side has flared up- I have NOT taken any steroids during this time just some zinc supplementation as I had low libido.

I recently had a blood test at my docs and free test came back as 358 which he was quick to point to was in the NORMAL range (I believe this is something like 350-1200) and there was nothing he could recommend even when I pointed out it was right at the bottom of normal!!! I'm 26 by the way.

Could really do with some advice as to where I go from here... Balls are def smaller than they just to be, libido lower and semen volume also lower and I'd kinda like all of that to return!!

I was considering giving comic another go- 300mgs day 1, 100 mgs day 2-11 and 50mgs day 12-21

Thoughts/help/advice appreciated!!! Thanks guys

 

[mryar]

I know its hindsight, but I would run HCG during cycle (not pct) next time. Probably clomid is the best option, but bloodwork would tell for sure. You want to know if you have good levels of Luteinizing hormone or not. If you have high LH, then you know the problem is with the leydig cells in the testes. If your LH is low, another run of clomid will help. If its your testes, I'm not sure anything can help but time. If its the testes (supposing you have good LH levels), definitely don't run more HCG as you will hurt them more.

 

[gymrat827]

I know its hindsight, but I would run HCG during cycle (not pct) next time. Probably clomid is the best option, but bloodwork would tell for sure. You want to know if you have good levels of Luteinizing hormone or not. If you have high LH, then you know the problem is with the leydig cells in the testes. If your LH is low, another run of clomid will help. If its your testes, I'm not sure anything can help but time. If its the testes (supposing you have good LH levels), definitely don't run more HCG as you will hurt them more.

spot on advice.

 

[j_p]

Hi All - this is my first post on this board and I'm looking for some advice on getting my test levels back on track... From nearly 2 years ago!!!

I did 3 cycles of steroids previously with the most recent finishing in July 2010, this consisted of:

Test 450
Equipoise
Winstrol

I used Arimidex and then Aromisin (when I felt the arimidex wasn't working) as on cycle anti E and nova as a SERM - the anti E were 'wildcat' and I'm not sure that I trust the quality.

Then PCT consisted of HCG and Clomid

However I never properly recovered... I started feeling the affects of Gynecomastia during my final cycle which got pretty bad and nothng seemed to help anti E or SERM's (novadex).... After being off cycle for about a year I had surgery to remove the gyno (massively puffy left nipple) at a cost of £1700!.... A year on and suddenly the right side has flared up- I have NOT taken any steroids during this time just some zinc supplementation as I had low libido.

I recently had a blood test at my docs and free test came back as 358 which he was quick to point to was in the NORMAL range (I believe this is something like 350-1200) and there was nothing he could recommend even when I pointed out it was right at the bottom of normal!!! I'm 26 by the way.

Could really do with some advice as to where I go from here... Balls are def smaller than they just to be, libido lower and semen volume also lower and I'd kinda like all of that to return!!

I was considering giving comic another go- 300mgs day 1, 100 mgs day 2-11 and 50mgs day 12-21

Thoughts/help/advice appreciated!!! Thanks guys

THats your issue, HCG should not be used DURING PCT nore shoudl ti be used at very high doses for long periods of time.

use it LEADIGN UP TO, but NOT into PCT. for help with recovery.

I rec going over to Chemicalneed.com and looking at the Clomi or Tamox

 

[Deanc2505]

I know its hindsight, but I would run HCG during cycle (not pct) next time. Probably clomid is the best option, but bloodwork would tell for sure. You want to know if you have good levels of Luteinizing hormone or not. If you have high LH, then you know the problem is with the leydig cells in the testes. If your LH is low, another run of clomid will help. If its your testes, I'm not sure anything can help but time. If its the testes (supposing you have good LH levels), definitely don't run more HCG as you will hurt them more.

Thanks for the advice- MUCH needed. Going to have some blood work done this week and I'll keep my fingers crossed for low levels of LH!!! With regards to Leydig cell issues, am I right in assuming that damage could be permanent?