Shoulder Cure???

[flexdaddyz71]

Hey Guys! I just started back about 5 months ago. I injuried my left shoulder doin incline DB press back late last summer. I've been takin growth 2iuX5d per wk for 3 months now. My shoulder seems a little better. Still hurts some, mainly just on barbell exercises and I pick up my 5 yr old little boy. I slight pinching pain. I've got a some goodies but wanted to know if doin the growth with deca alone would fix the problem before I go heavy and hard with the good stuff. I just don't wanna waste my goodies. I thought 6 months of rest would cure it. Going to the doctor is a last resort. Appreciate any opinions.

 

[centy]

Sounds like exactly what I was experiencing. I couldn't do anything with a bar, dbells only. Decline hurt like a bastard. I got fed up and saw an otrhoped. doctor and they took some xrays, mri, etc. The diagnosis was that I had Multi-directional Instability. Basically, some of the small muscles and connective tissues deep inside the shoulder are not as strong as they should be. The major muscles (delts, pecs, etc.) have been growing like hell, but the little ancillary ones haven't kept up.

Doc sent me to a physical therapist once a week for 2 months, and they taught me some exercises to strengthen what needed work. It has definitely helped me out, and I am slowly working up to where I should be. (I feel like a dork in the gym doing leaning military db press with 25lbs on an exercise ball, but what the hell - it helps.)

Time and some strenghening exercises might be just what you need. Get things back to par before you go hard/heavy. Go see a specialist if it is an option available to you.

Good luck bro.

 

[superchicken1]

Look at the sticky at intensemuscle under the dogg pound. very effective a rehabing and prehabing shoulders.

 

[Advisor_x]

laser therapy and deca will help bro...........

 

[tdidd]

laser therapy and Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - will help bro...........

i had to get surgery, hurt like a bitch and kept me out of gym for 6 months

 

[acsemipro]

good luck

 

[Beaug30]

Hey Guys! I just started back about 5 months ago. I injuried my left shoulder doin incline DB press back late last summer. I've been takin growth 2iuX5d per wk for 3 months now. My shoulder seems a little better. Still hurts some, mainly just on barbell exercises and I pick up my 5 yr old little boy. I slight pinching pain. I've got a some goodies but wanted to know if doin the growth with deca alone would fix the problem before I go heavy and hard with the good stuff. I just don't wanna waste my goodies. I thought 6 months of rest would cure it. Going to the doctor is a last resort. Appreciate any opinions.

I was in the MMA biz for years and power lifting as well. Struggled for 2 years with torn r. cuff. That plus wrist / back injuries eventually kicked me to the curb. I kept trying the warm ups for shoulder prior to any lifts at all and it no workie. I finally agjusted my routine. No more movements out of line with natural plane, i.e. - bench press, barbell overhead, etc. I began doing heavy movements only with d.b.'s and therefore never keeping my wrists/arms from following their natural plane. Based on my experience I would say that you should insure maximum blood flow to the shoulder prior to any movements and then to stay on plane. The shoulder is affected by almost everything in the gym so be careful and coordinated with all of your movements and eventually it will be strong again.

Good Luck

 

[jumpmaster82]

before i even read you were thinking of deca i was already planning on suggesting it. if i ever have problems with joints ill run a low dose of deca for 3 or 4 weeks, it does the trick. 200 mg once a week for a month or so should help alot bro.

 

[bluejay]

This won't cure you but definatley help prevent further damage: use more dumbells when possible on any movement when given the option. You have a greater range of motion and flexibility. For example, barbell bench pressess can feel like murder whereas the dumbell bench can feel fine.

 

[oaktownmuscle79]

I agree with bluejay. DB presses are a little easier on the shoulders. You can more easily vary the width of your "grip" (distance between your hands), wider is not always better IMO, and there is also less inclination to bounce a bar off your chest - which usually leads to hyperextending the anterior delts. Good luck in the recovery!

 

[dmessina7]

I agree with bluejay. DB presses are a little easier on the shoulders. You can more easily vary the width of your "grip" (distance between your hands), wider is not always better IMO, and there is also less inclination to bounce a bar off your chest - which usually leads to hyperextending the anterior delts. Good luck in the recovery!

how do u hyperextend a muscle? is that possible?

 

[.J.P.]

igf1-lr3 is nice for healing.

 

[truckdaddy]

sarms and HGH for healing

 

[Zyglamail]

Some keys to overcomming tendon/ligament injuries.....

All cells die and are replaced and different cell types die at different rates. First and foremost the tissue that makes up tendons/ligaments has a 300 to 500 day turnover rate so keep that in mind when you are thinking about how long it will take to heal.

Next, do some googling on the "healing cascade" and see what it tells you. If you find a good article on it you will see the various healing phases and how inflammation plays a key role in the healing cascade.

Whats the first thing people do when they get an injury? Pop a bunch of nsaids and eliminate the inflammation and with it all the benefits it brings. Then since they feel better cause the inflammation is gone the hit the weights again and further damage the injured tissue, more nsaids, rinse and repeat until they finally break down and have some surgeon go in and clean out the debris causing further laxity in the joint which just promotes future injury and the cycle continues or ends up arthritic.

You need to ease off on the weight ya move but continue activity. The added blood flow gets nutrients to and damaged tissue away from injury.

Consume the raw building blocks so your body has the materials to repair the damage.

Stay away from ice and anti-inflammatories since they reduce blood flow and healing, if you work out and an old injury is nagging you then you chose a bad movement or worked out too hard.

If you want to greatly speed healing find a porolotherapy doc near you and get started with treatments. Google prolotherapy for all sorts of articles.

 

[CheapPinz]

its all guessing until a doctor checks you out. I can say that my partner is a big, beefy guy and he's got tight rotator cuff muscles...like too tight, not just a good stable joint. I stretch him and it seems to help. If you see an orth then a PT for as little as a one time crash course in what to do and what not to do, you'd probably feel a lot better.

 

[redboy]

I'm with CheapPinz here. Having had shoulder surgery about 5 years ago for symptoms that mirrored yours, I can honestly say that it took the pain away and I can train that shoulder just as hard as ever. It took over a year to get back to full strength after the surgery, but it's not hurt me since, and well worth the recovery and PT time. See an Ortho if you have health insurance. He may have you do an MRI, which will really help diagnose your specific issue. As CP said, otherwise it's all just guess work. Let the pros help you with the tools of modern medicine.

 

[mlavin]

I can say that lots of stretching and warming up before begining the workout helped me immensely. The excercises suggested by a physical therapist sure as hell don't win you any man credit in the gym but who cares anyway, its my shoulder. Staying with barbells reduced the pain during the lifts and still allowed for a good workout too.

Good luck and I hope you have health insurance, medical bills can add up quick.

 

[mattclay]

I've been having a similar problem only it's with my left clavicle. I broke it and 3 different doctors kept telling me nothing was wrong (They were looking at r. cuff and wouldn't listen to me) Left shoulder is noticeably weaker and fails before my right. My hand also goes numb every now and again. I even did physical therapy for a few weeks and know the little exercises that centy mentioned. Seems like a fight I will never win. It's been over 2 years now and I still get pain although it's mainly when I use dbells. It's not going to stop me but it sure does piss me off when my left arm gives out when my right could keep going strong. I'd like to say its getting better but who really knows.

 

[Judo Tom]

check out mobilitywod.com

great rehab/prehab exercises.

 

[mattclay]

Thanks for the link I'll definitely be checking it out.

 

[jackblades]

AS supposedly slows the healing process(not what anyone wants to hear). Some would suggest applying some DMSO to the area every day. Stretching, warm up, massage, find alternate exercises, pre-exhaust muscle so you don't have to go as heavy. Forget a regular doctor, find an orthopedic surgeon and get a referral for a sports medicine physical therapist whose bread and butter is fixing athletes.

 

[123qwe]

You guys won't like this, but here it goes anyway. I'm 41 I have had tons of injuries that I would just man up and push through. Now I'm paying the price of my stupidity. I had that EXACT pain from that EXACT movement. Forced to take time off and I went right back at it. Your stabilizer muscles were not up to the task and you went to heavy. The reason for the pain with a BB and not a DB? Think of the direction you are really pushing. It is not just up but out also. You are pushing out driving the ball of your humerus back toward the socket. The weight is driving it back. You ARE pinching something. The stabilizer are weak and you stretched the glenohumeral ligaments. It's not just the 4 rotator cuff muscles, don't forget the serratus anterior.

He is the part you won't like. I would need you in front of me to tell you exactly what to do and how to do it, but (check your ego) light weight, 15-20 reps of slow perfect form. 10 seconds rest and right back at 3-4 sets. There is a series to the exercises I do and certain way I do them. I've had many big guys look at me like I'm crazy when I hand them 5lb DB for military press, but I have NEVER had one finish. If you are still interested I can give you more specifics. drugs will help you heal faster, but won't fix the problem. Lighten up for a couple of months.