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[Griz1]

While not a big proponent of harder rec drugs I would say that anecdotal evidence/experience is hardly a basis in which to base a broad national policy on. If you believe that, then you'd be about as dumb as the ones sticking oxy, or worse into thier arms.

Why was the country you were born in ravaged by such hell?

Because, drugs are illegal in the u.s.a. If they were legal, your country would clearly not have experienced that kind of violence or problems. It would be no different than a crop like coffee, or sugar cane and worth about as much or less.

If steroids were grown in the dirt, and demand was high enough, your comment about it being a victimless crime would contradict your position on rec drugs.

Did you never hear of the Volstad (sted?) act? Ever hear of Al Capone? Prohibition created all sorts of crime. How is it any diffferent from rec drugs? Tell me. -No didn't think so. If booze was still illegal, Canada would have a shit-pile of problems with organized crime making and shipping booze to the states to fill demand. Just like is occuring in Columbia and other countries RIGHT NOW.

I went to high school and knew a guy who "...started hitting the bottle" Guess what? He can't hold on to employment, or funtion like a regular person, blah, blah, blah.

Dumbest justification? Your argument has so many holes in it it's clearly a reactionary one spawned by the belief in the idiotic government propaganda regarding drugs and how the only way to manage them is with prohibition.

If you do rec/illegal drugs your just dumb. If you drink excessively your just dumb. If you gamble excessively your just dumb. Lots of dumb shit out there.

Legalize drugs and take the 90 BILLION dollars spent over the last decade and pump that into education and awareness and rehabilitation instead of enforcement and incarceration and your country (both the states AND Columbia would change overnight). Geez how much money did it take in education and awareness to reduce smoking over the last 20 years? I'll bet it wasn't anywhere near 90 billion dollars, was it?

 

[Big Rick Rock]

While not a big proponent of harder rec drugs I would say that anecdotal evidence/experience is hardly a basis in which to base a broad national policy on. If you believe that, then you'd be about as dumb as the ones sticking oxy, or worse into thier arms.

Why was the country you were born in ravaged by such hell?

Because, drugs are illegal in the u.s.a. If they were legal, your country would clearly not have experienced that kind of violence or problems. It would be no different than a crop like coffee, or sugar cane and worth about as much or less.

If steroids were grown in the dirt, and demand was high enough, your comment about it being a victimless crime would contradict your position on rec drugs.

Did you never hear of the Volstad (sted?) act? Ever hear of Al Capone? Prohibition created all sorts of crime. How is it any diffferent from rec drugs? Tell me. -No didn't think so. If booze was still illegal, Canada would have a shit-pile of problems with organized crime making and shipping booze to the states to fill demand. Just like is occuring in Columbia and other countries RIGHT NOW.

I went to high school and knew a guy who "...started hitting the bottle" Guess what? He can't hold on to employment, or funtion like a regular person, blah, blah, blah.

Dumbest justification? Your argument has so many holes in it it's clearly a reactionary one spawned by the belief in the idiotic government propaganda regarding drugs and how the only way to manage them is with prohibition.

If you do rec/illegal drugs your just dumb. If you drink excessively your just dumb. If you gamble excessively your just dumb. Lots of dumb shit out there.

Legalize drugs and take the 90 BILLION dollars spent over the last decade and pump that into education and awareness and rehabilitation instead of enforcement and incarceration and your country (both the states AND Columbia would change overnight). Geez how much money did it take in education and awareness to reduce smoking over the last 20 years? I'll bet it wasn't anywhere near 90 billion dollars, was it?

I do agree that criminalization of drugs breeds crime...

But for anybody to say that Steroids are just as bad as Rec drug is fucking retarded. The effect on the individual and impact on community is very different for both. You make some good points but I will disagree with anybody that compares a Bodybuilder with a Basehead... Two different worlds man!

 

[Griz1]

I will disagree with anybody that compares a Bodybuilder with a Basehead... Two different worlds man!

Yeah, I'll go along with that.

Crack, and stuff is just a bad choice all around. I think criminalizing it (and other "hard" rec drugs) breeds more social problems than the use of it itself however. But you're right, two different worlds.

Roids are a matter of choice and should also be legal. IMO not the greatest choice either but the motive and result is indeed more virtuous than crack, smack, or similar.


As an aside:

For anyone to even look down their nose at weed or weed derivitives is just plain hypocritical IMO. Unless of course you don't smoke, drink booze, coffee, or overeat, abuse your loved ones, and live a completely straight-as-a-pin "life". So I guess I'm saying the only person that CAN look down their nose at THC related drugs is....Ned Flanders?

Our country's senate (a bunch of tight ass old farts) actually took the mandate of examining marijuana (and derivitives) from a 100% IMPARTIAL position and after examining scientific, and anecdotal evidence across the globe, decided, and advised our House of Parliment to outright legalize marijuana. That was completely ignored of course.

If those old farts came up with that conclusion, after examining the unbiased facts, that tells me something is amiss in the govt. propaganda (which we all know of course anyway...lol).

 

[MACHI]

Yeah, I'll go along with that.

Crack, and stuff is just a bad choice all around. I think criminalizing it (and other "hard" rec drugs) breeds more social problems than the use of it itself however. But you're right, two different worlds.

Roids are a matter of choice and should also be legal. IMO not the greatest choice either but the motive and result is indeed more virtuous than crack, smack, or similar.


As an aside:

For anyone to even look down their nose at weed or weed derivitives is just plain hypocritical IMO. Unless of course you don't smoke, drink booze, coffee, or overeat, abuse your loved ones, and live a completely straight-as-a-pin "life". So I guess I'm saying the only person that CAN look down their nose at THC related drugs is....Ned Flanders?

Our country's senate (a bunch of tight ass old farts) actually took the mandate of examining marijuana (and derivitives) from a 100% IMPARTIAL position and after examining scientific, and anecdotal evidence across the globe, decided, and advised our House of Parliment to outright legalize marijuana. That was completely ignored of course.

If those old farts came up with that conclusion, after examining the unbiased facts, that tells me something is amiss in the govt. propaganda (which we all know of course anyway...lol).

WoW......... You need to start looking at things chemically bro.....You have no idea what your talking about when your comparing rec drugs to AAS. Almost every single REC drug is psychotropic and completely foreign to the body. AAS have no mind altering effect (roid rage dosn't exist - although the androgenicity does enhance aggression, there has been no study to date that proves this aggression is uncontrolable) and are produced naturally. The AAS you use are only modified so that they may be used BY the body to produce they SAME effect as if they were endogenously produced (ie. esters, alkylation, methylation etc.) BOTTOM LINE: It is absolutely clear that the user under rec drugs poses a danger to SOCIETY. The user of AAS only poses a danger to himself. *****ALSO*****It is the absence of the fundamental indistinction made between the two types of drugs by people like yourself that put rec drugs in the same category as AAS to begin with. THIS is why AAS are villified and THIS is why they are currently illegal.........Comparing REC drugs to AAS is insane....

 

[MACHI]

Did you never hear of the Volstad (sted?) act? Ever hear of Al Capone? Prohibition created all sorts of crime. How is it any diffferent from rec drugs? Tell me. -No didn't think so. If booze was still illegal, Canada would have a shit-pile of problems with organized crime making and shipping booze to the states to fill demand. Just like is occuring in Columbia and other countries RIGHT NOW.

I only have time to pick apart your arguements one by one so I'll start with this paragraph.

Again I will say that you are chemically retarded. On a milligram per milligram basis Cocaine, Heroine, and other Schedule 1's are thousands and thousands of time more damaging and long lasting in their effects than alcohol. However, to exactly counter this argument I'll ask you to add up all the DUI deaths, alcohol poisoning deaths, deaths of persons killed by other persons under the influence non-driving related (beating or fighting), etc... these are anually. Now add up all the organized crime related deaths as a result of prohibition at its peak (adjusted to current population), annually. I think you know which will be bigger. The only reason that organized crime succeeded in causing the raucus that lead to the repeal of prohibition is that the US gov. was not resolute enough in its enforcement. You cannot sit there at your computer and tell me that you would continue to smoke marijuana if the penalty for personal use was death. The problem with prohibition was the lackadaisical attitude of the justice system. If penalties for drugs today were greater the demand fall because fewer people would deem it worth using on a Risk vs. Reward basis. If 50% of your assests were confiscated by the govt. as a penatly for possessing a gram of coke can you tell me that you would do it? Didn't think so...... So yes making a substance illegal does create crime - but making the laws to match wipes out the crime. (not completely but I'd bet money on around 99%)

You cannot say that a DC light dosn;t work when you only have it connected to the positive terminal. You need to complete the circuit to know for sure. (this is of course provided that everything else like the battery is good too) The same logic is applied to prohibition and drugs today. WTF should I care about getting caught with a joint or a couple grams of marijuana when the penalty is a slap on the wrist misdemeanor and some community service. And don't gimmie the 'criminals never think they'll get caught' bullshit because thats exactly what it is. BS

 

[Griz1]

Oh my God!

I can't believe you folks actually swallow that united states government funded garbage science!

As for learning something about rec drugs, buddy, you ARE barking up the wrong tree there! Bwahahaha! I am so politically active in that regard I would make you look like a diletante! I've been at this for over 10 years now.

Futher, I did NOT break down my arguments into the specific types of roids. Machi, you need to do some serious research into rec drugs. And to specify what kind of research, before you actually go and read it and swallow the tripe, check who did it and who paid for the research, and where the strings are.

As for saying that rec drugs are damaging to society, you've clearly missed my arguments, and are fooling yourself so badly in your rationalization that, quite frankly, you're embarrasing yourself.

Sorry to be so harsh but I'm quite tired of typing out reams, and reams of stuff on this to counter such propaganda swallowed by so much of the public (thanks the govt. of the usa - americans are great people, their govt. is not - and ours aint much better!). Remember you've been hearing this junk for your whole life, it's ingrained in you now. Try looking outside of your country (i.e. Europe, Canada, Austrailia) for some sound science that addresses both the science and social repercussions of recreational drugs.

As for roids, yes when selectively compared to such rec drugs as coke and smack, roidsa are going to come out on top...duh! Try comparing some of the "harder roids" to THC products and see where they come out. And do without american research.

Hell were even aware that your own govt. successfully lobbied to have the WHO report on marijuana and other drugs censored due to it's more favourable findings on the stuff? NO didn't think so. First time in history that the WHO bowed to pressure for censure...nice!

I'm tired of typing and arguing these zombie like responses from govt. influenced "pseudo-science" believers. I've been doing for a while on this board (along with plenty others), and in my own life for at least a decade.


Fine.

I'm wrong. Roids are great! Rec drugs are just evil and will rot society legalized or not.

Keep reading your JAMA and believe it....sheesh!

 

[MACHI]

Oh my God!

I can't believe you folks actually swallow that united states government funded garbage science!.........
Keep reading your JAMA and believe it....sheesh!

1. Can a person on intoxicating doses of coke safely operate a motor vehicle?
2. Can a person on intoxicating doses of heroine safely operate a motor vehicle?
3. Can a person on intoxicating doses of methamphetamine safely operate a motor vehicle?
4. Can a person on intoxicating doses of marijuana safely operate a motor vehicle?
5. Can a person on intoxicating doses of LSD safely operate a motor vehicle?

 

[bbkingpinn]

1. Can a person on intoxicating doses of coke safely operate a motor vehicle?
2. Can a person on intoxicating doses of heroine safely operate a motor vehicle?
3. Can a person on intoxicating doses of methamphetamine safely operate a motor vehicle?
4. Can a person on intoxicating doses of marijuana safely operate a motor vehicle?
5. Can a person on intoxicating doses of LSD safely operate a motor vehicle?

Can a person drunk safely operate a vehicle? What's your point? Don't drive under the influence of anything? No shit!

 

[shortstack]

im guessing this drug guy went got busted, huh?
lol

 

[MACHI]

Can a person drunk safely operate a vehicle? What's your point? Don't drive under the influence of anything? No shit!

A very profound statement from yourself..........

I'll put it to you this way. The limo driver is driving your wife and unborn baby to the hospital because she went into labor on the way to the restaraunt for your anniversary. Who would you rather have driving the car? Someone under the influence of REC drugs or someone under the influence of AAS?