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TheOak84

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My gf never gives me head... EVER... She used to when we dated before, but anyway. I always go down on her, to make sure she gets hers, but she never compensates me for no reason. She should feel lucky that i give her an O'er. i feel like im getting ripped off :(

Ive brought it up many times, but theres always an excuse with her.

Is she a selfish bitch?
 
She said straight out she hates it, i asked why she used to do it, she said to make me happy... I guess she just doesnt care anymore... It just sucks, there are girls that want to. I dont want to cheat on her, i just want her to get her head in the game, no pun intended.
 
is she putting out?
 
TheOak84 said:
She said straight out she hates it, i asked why she used to do it, she said to make me happy... I guess she just doesnt care anymore... It just sucks, there are girls that want to. I dont want to cheat on her, i just want her to get her head in the game, no pun intended.

ok, so she hates it.
I hated it when I was in my 20's. Then loved it in my dirty 30's
You cannot make some like something and cheating on someone because they don't like doing something is immature

it's like ifyour s/o had an illness and could not have sex, should the other person run out and have an affair.
Sex is not everything
 
TheOak84 said:
My gf never gives me head... EVER... She used to when we dated before, but anyway. I always go down on her, to make sure she gets hers, but she never compensates me for no reason. She should feel lucky that i give her an O'er. i feel like im getting ripped off :(

Ive brought it up many times, but theres always an excuse with her.

Is she a selfish bitch?
Selfish BITCH, Dump her and get your knob slobbered by some other chick.
 
TheOak84 said:
She said straight out she hates it, i asked why she used to do it, she said to make me happy... I guess she just doesnt care anymore... It just sucks, there are girls that want to. I dont want to cheat on her, i just want her to get her head in the game, no pun intended.

That's right orb, your happiness doesn't mean shit to her. But hey, if you ever marry her, I'm sure things will improve!!1
 
TheOak84 said:
She said straight out she hates it, i asked why she used to do it, she said to make me happy... I guess she just doesnt care anymore... It just sucks, there are girls that want to. I dont want to cheat on her, i just want her to get her head in the game, no pun intended.


Dont make her do it forever, just tell her you want her to do it to start things off. She does not have to make you cum. At first if she only does it a couple min each time followed by sex or you returning the favor, over time she will enjoy it

she just does not do it enough obviously.
 
TheOak84 said:
My gf never gives me head... EVER... She used to when we dated before, but anyway. I always go down on her, to make sure she gets hers, but she never compensates me for no reason. She should feel lucky that i give her an O'er. i feel like im getting ripped off :(

Ive brought it up many times, but theres always an excuse with her.

Is she a selfish bitch?
stop giving her oral , let her see how life is with out oral and see what happens in a few weeks or months
 
I have left chicks high and dry that dont give head
I made out with a girl on springbreak years ago, stink fingered her and got her all hot and wet . she was ready to fuck . I asked her to kiss it. She said " oh i dont do that "
I told her I needed to use the bathroom , went to the bathroom and then slid out the hotel room door. She was kinda chunky so i was really only wanting some head,I got kinda pissed off her. I was working up this chunkymonkey to get a killer blowjob and she wouldnt do that. I guess she did not read the chunky girls handbook that says on page one , all chunky chicks must give great head.
 
stosstruppe said:
That's right orb, your happiness doesn't mean shit to her. But hey, if you ever marry her, I'm sure things will improve!!1
I know your only joking, Right? The only way to make sure he never gets blowed again by this chick is to marry her.
 
You forgot to cover your cawk in bbq sauce................geeesh dumbass :p

chazk said:
I have left chicks high and dry that dont give head
I made out with a girl on springbreak years ago, stink fingered her and got her all hot and wet . she was ready to fuck . I asked her to kiss it. She said " oh i dont do that "
I told her I needed to use the bathroom , went to the bathroom and then slid out the hotel room door. She was kinda chunky so i was really only wanting some head,I got kinda pissed off her. I was working up this chunkymonkey to get a killer blowjob and she wouldnt do that. I guess she did not read the chunky girls handbook that says on page one , all chunky chicks must give great head.
 
blueta2 said:
ok, so she hates it.
I hated it when I was in my 20's. Then loved it in my dirty 30's
You cannot make some like something and cheating on someone because they don't like doing something is immature

it's like ifyour s/o had an illness and could not have sex, should the other person run out and have an affair.
Sex is not everything
OK. What she said.



Only dump her.
 
I don't get head from my girl too often, but I don't mind, I like to get straight to the fucking.
 
oral is more of just foreplay for me, girls are usually really into me and I never ask for it so it just happens.
 
if you arent married to her, leave her. my wife still gives head so i cant say ive been in your shoes. i would not be able to accept no head. never.
 
Yep she's selfish. Why are you with her? I wouldn't even want to be with someone who didn't like doing it...but that's just me...and i don't even like receiving oral that much...but a selfish girlfriend would piss me off.
 
TheOak84 said:
My gf never gives me head... EVER... She used to when we dated before, but anyway. I always go down on her, to make sure she gets hers, but she never compensates me for no reason. She should feel lucky that i give her an O'er. i feel like im getting ripped off :(

Ive brought it up many times, but theres always an excuse with her.

Is she a selfish bitch?


easy.. don't go down on her, and tell her if she doesn't there are plenty that will, her refusal to orally please you is just another way she is rejecting you and telling you that you aren't good enough..

time for a new gf..

my wife and gf of 14 yrs still pleases me just like i do her.. if not.. there are plenty of other younger, thinner and prettier women that will..

just saying
 
Im gonna go out on a limb here and say your wife doesn't read EF.

SpyWizard said:
easy.. don't go down on her, and tell her if she doesn't there are plenty that will, her refusal to orally please you is just another way she is rejecting you and telling you that you aren't good enough..

time for a new gf..

my wife and gf of 14 yrs still pleases me just like i do her.. if not.. there are plenty of other younger, thinner and prettier women that will..

just saying
 
My buddy has the same problem, his girl has never blown him. I tell him everything you guys have, but I guess he is content with fucking a fat chick and not getting head.

The second a girls lips stop touching my cawk is the second my foot touches her ass as I kick her the fuck out. She better swallow also or it's going in her eye.
 
NEO1 said:
Im gonna go out on a limb here and say your wife doesn't read EF.


actually, she does not, however this is something she told me.. we are both on theh 2nd marriage..

this one is going great..
 
Is it worth it for you to stay in the relationship? Remember, any other "problems" or issues that may arise in the future will just make this one more pronounced. It just gets worse... so to speak. You may hold this against her at some point. You really need to discuss this with her and straighten it out. Work something out or go your separate ways. Sooner or later you will split. It may just be later if you don't do something about it now.
 
i put a dollar in a jar everytime i got head from my gf before we got married, now i take one out everytime i get head, i dont think ill ever empty that fuckin jar.
 
Reminds me of my friend who is Jewish that was walking down the beach last month and stumbled across an ole Genie lamp ... he rubbed it and out came a Genie and she granted him one wish.. He had a map of Isreal in his pocket and ask the Genie he said : you know my people have been persecuted and bombed for years and I was wondering if you could make peace in Palestine.. The Genie said WOW with all my power Im afraid I cant help you . Do you have another wish.. He said well yes my wife and I have been married for 23 years and she never has gone down on me , I was wondering if you could change her mind.. The Genie thought a moment and said ::: Let me take a look at that MAP AGAIN
 
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If you never never never get it....you'll start thinking about it more and more to the point that you'll remember head as being the best thing on the planet then you'll need to go get some from her friend or sister.

If you love oral that much might as well move on.

ps. when she did do it was she any good?
 
i've been fuckin girls lately that i literally had to twist their arms to give me head.although one girl i banged recently was so drunk she was all over that shit. she told me the next day(after i reminded her it happened) she never does it and hates giving it but she good at it. told that bitch she set the bar already, cant turn back now

it seems like only the filthy sluts and average wimminz or fatties do it anymore.
 
calveless wonder said:
i've been fuckin girls lately that i literally had to twist their arms to give me head.although one girl i banged recently was so drunk she was all over that shit. she told me the next day(after i reminded her it happened) she never does it and hates giving it but she good at it. told that bitch she set the bar already, cant turn back now

it seems like only the filthy sluts and average wimminz or fatties do it anymore.

But the media & Oprah claims 12 year olds are givin each other oral like it was candy!
 
I agree with everyones comments, though if this bothers you that much its going to taint the relationship a little. If getting head from her is that important and shes just not into it eventually you may flirt with someone else because of this void your feeling, then you may cheat. Theres always angles you have to look at. for instance how long have you two been together and if you wrote out a good versus bad list on your relationship would the pros out weigh the cons etc... The grass isn't always greener on the other side > Be careful what you wish for < good luck !
 
On second thought about this topic, maybe you're not turning her on enough to want to give you a bj. A woman needs to feel sexy to do that.

Maybe there is something you can do different?
 
TheOak84 said:
My gf never gives me head... EVER... She used to when we dated before, but anyway. I always go down on her, to make sure she gets hers, but she never compensates me for no reason. She should feel lucky that i give her an O'er. i feel like im getting ripped off :(

Ive brought it up many times, but theres always an excuse with her.

Is she a selfish bitch?

when you say she "never gives me head" what exactly do you mean?? do you mean she never completes the act or do you mean that she won't even put your cawk in her mouth?? if it's the latter and it's important to you, dump her ass and move on. . .if she used to do it before but now she won't. . .trust me. . .this is only the beginning of a long list of things that she eventually won't want to do anymore. . .
 
calveless wonder said:
i've been fuckin girls lately that i literally had to twist their arms to give me head.although one girl i banged recently was so drunk she was all over that shit. she told me the next day(after i reminded her it happened) she never does it and hates giving it but she good at it. told that bitch she set the bar already, cant turn back now

it seems like only the filthy sluts and average wimminz or fatties do it

anymore
.



omg lol
wow
 
Ah, well some girls hate it; some girls love it; and some girls do it often just because they enjoy pleasing you. You have to just decide whether her dislike of it is a deal breaker for you or not. Would you really want to make her do it despite the fact that she doesn't like it? I never will let a guy do that to me unless I know that he is enjoying himself. Otherwise, I feel awkward, and there is no point.
 
digimon7068 said:
when you say she "never gives me head" what exactly do you mean?? do you mean she never completes the act or do you mean that she won't even put your cawk in her mouth?? if it's the latter and it's important to you, dump her ass and move on. . .if she used to do it before but now she won't. . .trust me. . .this is only the beginning of a long list of things that she eventually won't want to do anymore. . .


thats what i was thinking.

if a girl thinks she has to complete it everytime, well then no she's not gonig to be excited or want to do it often
 
cindylou said:
thats what i was thinking.

if a girl thinks she has to complete it everytime, well then no she's not gonig to be excited or want to do it often
Yes, this is true. I like to do it, but I've had bf's who were selfish about it, too and would try to hold off orgasm while I did it. No matter if your gal likes it, she is going to get tired and pissed at you if you are taking an hour to finish up on purpose and her jaws and neck are TIRED.
 
heatherrae said:
Yes, this is true. I like to do it, but I've had bf's who were selfish about it, too and would try to hold off orgasm while I did it. No matter if your gal likes it, she is going to get tired and pissed at you if you are taking an hour to finish up on purpose and her jaws and neck are TIRED.


I think this alone is exactly the reason why some women hate donig it. because it feels good, he does not want to orgasm and she is just plain tired. lol

or she thinks she is bad at it. that could be a reason too.

or she has had a bad experience with a dude shoving her face into him
 
cindylou said:
thats what i was thinking.

if a girl thinks she has to complete it everytime, well then no she's not gonig to be excited or want to do it often

lol at a girl that "thinks she has to" complete it everytime. . .never met one of those. :FRlol:
 
digimon7068 said:
lol at a girl that thinks she has to complete it everytime. . .never met one of those. :FRlol:


I thought this for a long time! I'm serious! I hated giving blowjs cuz it was just so much effort! Then i finally took that pressure off myself and I started enjoying it more, just making him feel good for a while is enough and I dont feel selfish for not doing it, but I dont feel like I'm dreading it either.

and at first I was also afraid I was bad at it. that could also be a reason why she is reluctant to do it.

You only learn through experience and books dont help. lol. If you are not blowing every dick that comes around, a girl can feel like she is not up to par when shes of the youngish age.

there are a million reasons why she's not doing it. the only thing to do is talk to her about it.
 
cindylou said:
I thought this for a long time! I'm serious! I hated giving blowjs cuz it was just so much effort! Then i finally took that pressure off myself and I started enjoying it more, just making him feel good for a while is enough and I dont feel selfish for not doing it, but I dont feel like I'm dreading it either.

and at first I was also afraid I was bad at it. that could also be a reason why she is reluctant to do it.

You only learn through experience and books dont help. lol. If you are not blowing every dick that comes around, a girl can feel like she is not up to par when shes of the youngish age.

there are a million reasons why she's not doing it. the only thing to do is talk to her about it.

bad at it?? pffft. . .i've walked away bleeding and it was still better than the best day i EVER had at work. . .
 
digimon7068 said:
bad at it?? pffft. . .i've walked away bleeding and it was still better than the best day i EVER had at work. . .

lol! Well, we know how you guys talk and we dont want to be known as the bad blowj giver.....lol

guys need to tell girls this stuff! hahahaha
 
cindylou said:
I think this alone is exactly the reason why some women hate donig it. because it feels good, he does not want to orgasm and she is just plain tired. lol

or she thinks she is bad at it. that could be a reason too.

or she has had a bad experience with a dude shoving her face into him
Yes, to all 3! lol. We women probably all have had these bad experiences.
 
heatherrae said:
Yes, to all 3! lol. We women probably all have had these bad experiences.


its all fun and games until you puke all over the place

lol

most of the time things inserted to the throat result in purging
 
cindylou said:
its all fun and games until you puke all over the place

lol

most of the time things inserted to the throat result in purging
I actually don't have a gag reflex. I can't make myself purge. I would be a lousy bulemic.
 
cindylou said:
and at first I was also afraid I was bad at it.

Theoretically possible I guess, but never seen in practice. Its like being bad at handing someone $10,000.
 
Really, because men sure can be bad at it. I've had some that actually made me laugh and feel sorry for them. One used to make "munching" noises, as if that was sexy!
 
heatherrae said:
I actually don't have a gag reflex. I can't make myself purge. I would be a lousy bulemic.


lol.

i have a good gag reflex thats why unless its a gentle shove just tryin to make things spicy, I draw the line at a dude grabbing my head and shoving my face into himself. I would quit right then and there.

its bad. its written in my file at the dentist office. lol!
 
heatherrae said:
Really, because men sure can be bad at it. I've had some that actually made me laugh and feel sorry for them. One used to make "munching" noises, as if that was sexy!

Yup, cause wimminz are vastly more complicated when it comes to oral. Men are super-simple.
 
cindylou said:
lol.

i have a good gag reflex thats why unless its a gentle shove just tryin to make things spicy, I draw the line at a dude grabbing my head and shoving my face into himself. I would quit right then and there.

its bad. its written in my file at the dentist office. lol!
LOL...that is funny that it is in your file.

I have had strep throat lots and had to get swabs done of my throat. More than once the nurses have commented on the fact that I don't gag when having a throat culture.

This doesn't mean that I like the shoving thing, though. That is a no no with me too...lol.
 
PS -- i have bad allergies and can't breathe through my nose sometimes. So, I feel like I'm suffocating doing it. That can really deter things.
 
mrplunkey said:
Yup, cause wimminz are vastly more complicated when it comes to oral. Men are super-simple.
In more than one respect...lol...just kidding.
 
heatherrae said:
PS -- i have bad allergies and can't breathe through my nose sometimes. So, I feel like I'm suffocating doing it. That can really deter things.


lol!! that was funny. I could picture it. (not you but me. lol)

i wouldnt give long blowj sessions during allergy season.
 
heatherrae said:
Really, because men sure can be bad at it. I've had some that actually made me laugh and feel sorry for them. One used to make "munching" noises, as if that was sexy!
So you had a scientist puppy dog nibbler, and then someone make munching noises... munching noises, wtf... was he trying to be the sound effects dude off of police academy? Sound effects probably not the sexiest thing while going down or hitting it. No relationship expert, just sayin.
 
I've never seen Cindy participate so much in one thread ;-)
hehe

Bj's are gross with the wrong guy and amazing with the right guy.
 
-Ariel- said:
So you had a scientist puppy dog nibbler, and then someone make munching noises... munching noises, wtf... was he trying to be the sound effects dude off of police academy? Sound effects probably not the sexiest thing while going down or hitting it. No relationship expert, just sayin.
I don't know. I get some real duds in bed, and I'm not all that hard to please, I don't think...lol. I had one guy blurt out, "oh yeah, ride me like a horse." I fell off the bed laughing, got dressed and left. LOL.
 
I knew a guy once that was dating a Lobster and.......Oh Wait.....you said "SELFISH"......nevermind....... I thought you said "SHELFISH"!


*rimshot*
 
bottleneckblooz said:
I knew a guy once that was dating a Lobster and.......Oh Wait.....you said "SELFISH"......nevermind....... I thought you said "SHELFISH"!


*rimshot*
:spit:

that's my kind of humor, right there! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
 
heatherrae said:
Really, because men sure can be bad at it. I've had some that actually made me laugh and feel sorry for them. One used to make "munching" noises, as if that was sexy!

i'm a cunning linguist. . .jus' sayin'. . .
 
Oak, the answer here is really simple, if you are really into this girl and expect to spend time with her, give up on blowjobs. If blowjobs are a high priority on your scale of sexual activities then find a new girlfriend who enjoys both giving and receiving oral. The women are out there, dear.

EDIT: The rest of this stuff is sort of stream of consciousness about dating behavior vis a vis neuroendocrinology and its impact on the brain in regards to both long and short term relationship behavior. Don't read it if my longwinded rambles bore you (you know who you are). You have been warned.


When we first fall into heavy infatuation (you know that feeling of walking on clouds all day, having no appetite, your heart leaping at just the sound of your beloved's name, you can't wait to see him/her again, you spend 10 minutes saying goodbye on the phone, etc., etc., etc.) both women and men will do more shit they don't necessarily love to amuse or please their new s/o. And NO, it's generally not an issue of deceit, it's more that whole first flush of infatuation creating high dopamine and norepinephrine levels and low serotonin levels, all of which in turn create a higher willingness to experiment. How many times have you heard about a chick saying to a guy "I've never done this before" or "I've never wanted to try this before." You cynics out there think they're lying and some of them are, but generally it's hormones! Very often that wonderfully new and in love endocrine system has more natural shit flowing through people's brains than your average attendee of a rave (science has proven this). This feeling eventually drops off and that's why there are people who serially fall in love. They are hooked on that first flush feeling of being infatuated and it can be intoxicating and addictive.

Over time, the more secure you become in the relationship the hormones change, you develop feelings less of romantic love and lust and more of attachment and comfort driven by oxytocin and vasopressin. Now your logical brain starts to engage a little more, and you start editing out the stuff you really struggle to do (holding in farts, brushing your teeth multiple times a day, wearing super sexy underwear all the time, taking a dump anywhere within proximity of your s/o).

There's actually a biological reason for all of this ... it has to do with perpetuation of the species. Theoretically, you've created a child by the time the first flush of romance wears off and now the focus of the relationship needs to become more about day to day survival and protection of the young and less about doing it like bunnies. If we stayed in a habitual state of dopamine driven ecstasy all we'd do is fuck and never plan for the future.

So when you're in a committed relationship you actually end up with a list of "I ain't fucking doing that shit no more." For men the list has a tendency to revolve around areas of personal hygiene and/or etiquette whereas for women the list is often heavily focused on sexual acts and general levels of tolerance for bullshit.

Why do you think marriage is hard? Sometimes you have to REALLY WORK to remind yourself that you really and truly DO love that miserable pain in the ass who is sitting across from you at the dinner table and by god you're going to keep this marriage together even if it means you're both hanging onto it like grim death.

The truth is one of the main reasons people manage to make a relationship last is less because of the things they have in common but more because they found the person whose annoying traits they find least offensive.
 
musclemom said:
Oak, the answer here is really simple, if you are really into this girl and expect to spend time with her, give up on blowjobs. If blowjobs are a high priority on your scale of sexual activities then find a new girlfriend who enjoys both giving and receiving oral. The women are out there, dear.

EDIT: The rest of this stuff is sort of stream of consciousness about dating behavior vis a vis neuroendocrinology and its impact on the brain in regards to both long and short term relationship behavior. Don't read it if my longwinded rambles bore you (you know who you are). You have been warned.


When we first fall into heavy infatuation (you know that feeling of walking on clouds all day, having no appetite, your heart leaping at just the sound of your beloved's name, you can't wait to see him/her again, you spend 10 minutes saying goodbye on the phone, etc., etc., etc.) both women and men will do more shit they don't necessarily love to amuse or please their new s/o. And NO, it's generally not an issue of deceit, it's more that whole first flush of infatuation creating high dopamine and norepinephrine levels and low serotonin levels, all of which in turn create a higher willingness to experiment. How many times have you heard about a chick saying to a guy "I've never done this before" or "I've never wanted to try this before." You cynics out there think they're lying and some of them are, but generally it's hormones! Very often that wonderfully new and in love endocrine system has more natural shit flowing through people's brains than your average attendee of a rave (science has proven this). This feeling eventually drops off and that's why there are people who serially fall in love. They are hooked on that first flush feeling of being infatuated and it can be intoxicating and addictive.

Over time, the more secure you become in the relationship the hormones change, you develop feelings less of romantic love and lust and more of attachment and comfort driven by oxytocin and vasopressin. Now your logical brain starts to engage a little more, and you start editing out the stuff you really struggle to do (holding in farts, brushing your teeth multiple times a day, wearing super sexy underwear all the time, taking a dump anywhere within proximity of your s/o).

There's actually a biological reason for all of this ... it has to do with perpetuation of the species. Theoretically, you've created a child by the time the first flush of romance wears off and now the focus of the relationship needs to become more about day to day survival and protection of the young and less about doing it like bunnies. If we stayed in a habitual state of dopamine driven ecstasy all we'd do is fuck and never plan for the future.

So when you're in a committed relationship you actually end up with a list of "I ain't fucking doing that shit no more." For men the list has a tendency to revolve around areas of personal hygiene and/or etiquette whereas for women the list is often heavily focused on sexual acts and general levels of tolerance for bullshit.

Why do you think marriage is hard? Sometimes you have to REALLY WORK to remind yourself that you really and truly DO love that miserable pain in the ass who is sitting across from you at the dinner table and by god you're going to keep this marriage together even if it means you're both hanging onto it like grim death.

The truth is one of the main reasons people manage to make a relationship last is less because of the things they have in common but more because they found the person whose annoying traits they find least offensive.

meh. . .my wife and i still spend significant amounts of time with our mouths on each other's hey-nonny-nonnies. . .and i'm pretty sure we both still enjoy it. . .quite a bit. . .19 years this october. . .it doesn't have to get old or lose its appeal. :)
 
musclemom said:
EDIT: The rest of this stuff is sort of stream of consciousness about dating behavior vis a vis neuroendocrinology and its impact on the brain in regards to both long and short term relationship behavior. Don't read it if my longwinded rambles bore you (you know who you are). You have been warned.[/I]

When we first fall into heavy infatuation (you know that feeling of walking on clouds all day, having no appetite, your heart leaping at just the sound of your beloved's name, you can't wait to see him/her again, you spend 10 minutes saying goodbye on the phone, etc., etc., etc.) both women and men will do more shit they don't necessarily love to amuse or please their new s/o. And NO, it's generally not an issue of deceit, it's more that whole first flush of infatuation creating high dopamine and norepinephrine levels and low serotonin levels, all of which in turn create a higher willingness to experiment. How many times have you heard about a chick saying to a guy "I've never done this before" or "I've never wanted to try this before." You cynics out there think they're lying and some of them are, but generally it's hormones! Very often that wonderfully new and in love endocrine system has more natural shit flowing through people's brains than your average attendee of a rave (science has proven this). This feeling eventually drops off and that's why there are people who serially fall in love. They are hooked on that first flush feeling of being infatuated and it can be intoxicating and addictive.

Over time, the more secure you become in the relationship the hormones change, you develop feelings less of romantic love and lust and more of attachment and comfort driven by oxytocin and vasopressin. Now your logical brain starts to engage a little more, and you start editing out the stuff you really struggle to do (holding in farts, brushing your teeth multiple times a day, wearing super sexy underwear all the time, taking a dump anywhere within proximity of your s/o).

There's actually a biological reason for all of this ... it has to do with perpetuation of the species. Theoretically, you've created a child by the time the first flush of romance wears off and now the focus of the relationship needs to become more about day to day survival and protection of the young and less about doing it like bunnies. If we stayed in a habitual state of dopamine driven ecstasy all we'd do is fuck and never plan for the future.

So when you're in a committed relationship you actually end up with a list of "I ain't fucking doing that shit no more." For men the list has a tendency to revolve around areas of personal hygiene and/or etiquette whereas for women the list is often heavily focused on sexual acts and general levels of tolerance for bullshit.

Why do you think marriage is hard? Sometimes you have to REALLY WORK to remind yourself that you really and truly DO love that miserable pain in the ass who is sitting across from you at the dinner table and by god you're going to keep this marriage together even if it means you're both hanging onto it like grim death.

The truth is one of the main reasons people manage to make a relationship last is less because of the things they have in common but more because they found the person whose annoying traits they find least offensive.

I completely agree with this. I think the secret is to stay in "perpetual girlfriend/boyfriend" thinking, even if you do get married. You have to maintain the same level of relationship vigilance that you started with. Every guy knows at least 10 guys who said: "Once I got married, the sex stopped" and now they are miserable. Its a miracle the divorce rate is only 50ish% -- it probably should be higher.
 
mrplunkey said:
I completely agree with this. I think the secret is to stay in "perpetual girlfriend/boyfriend" thinking, even if you do get married. You have to maintain the same level of relationship vigilance that you started with. Every guy knows at least 10 guys who said: "Once I got married, the sex stopped" and now they are miserable. Its a miracle the divorce rate is only 50ish% -- it probably should be higher.
I think that the problem really is that people's expectations are so skewed. They expect sunshine and roses and daily blow jobs/romance novel behavior, and that just isn't reality.

My grandma and grandpa were married for 60 years and had 8 kids, and never talked about divorce, etc. I think they expected like to be the way that it was. Their life revolved around raising kids, grandkids, family dinners, etc. I don't think either expected 60 years of red nighties and red roses.
 
blueta2 said:
On second thought about this topic, maybe you're not turning her on enough to want to give you a bj. A woman needs to feel sexy to do that.

Maybe there is something you can do different?


Yeah. That's why fatties give them out like jesus freaks give pamphlets.
 
digimon7068 said:
meh. . .my wife and i still spend significant amounts of time with our mouths on each other's hey-nonny-nonnies. . .and i'm pretty sure we both still enjoy it. . .quite a bit. . .19 years this october. . .it doesn't have to get old or lose its appeal. :)
I wasn't talking about the overall sex life but the sex life as it evolves throughout the life of the relationship. Besides, everyone on the board pretty much agrees that you and your wife are the exception, not the rule :lmao:

Anyway, "Generally Speaking" from a neurobiological perspective, people have sex for different reasons depending on how long they've been together. The drive after XYZ years is less about reproduction than about reaffirmation of the pair bond. In fact it's been proven that committed relationship sex releases oxytocin and vassopressin, and those hormones are part of what reinforce the pair bond. It's one of the reasons couples who aren't having sex start having serious problems communicating and getting along in general. Lack of sex triggers the lack of bonding, there starts being an overall lack of empathy and compassion. Communication literally becomes more difficult.
 
jnevin said:
Yeah. That's why fatties give them out like jesus freaks give pamphlets.


men make no sense.

at all.

you dont have a quality women if she likes to give a blowjob?

she must be a fatty or average if she's giving them out

then you guys complain when you dont get them
 
mrplunkey said:
I completely agree with this. I think the secret is to stay in "perpetual girlfriend/boyfriend" thinking, even if you do get married. You have to maintain the same level of relationship vigilance that you started with. Every guy knows at least 10 guys who said: "Once I got married, the sex stopped" and now they are miserable. Its a miracle the divorce rate is only 50ish% -- it probably should be higher.

egg-zackly!! and imho men are much worse offenders than women. . .women (as a general rule. . .and there's exceptions to every rule) respond in a positive fashion to "romance". . .just because she agreed to marry you and then put your ring on her finger doesn't mean that you are allowed to stop the romance. . .all those goofy little things that you did that made her fall for you in the first place?? you gotta keep doing them! ok. . .you can back off on the frequency a little bit, otherwise it gets exhausting. . .not to mention prohibitively expensive. . .but you can't just "stop". . .and if you do, wtf makes you think that you're going to continue to get the hot, steamy sex that you got before (which, by the way I STILL GET). . .and i blame men because, in most instances, we are the "pursuers". . .and just because she married you (or she's been in a long term relationship with you) doesn't mean you're allowed to stop pursuing her. . .

i try to make her feel special every day. . .my attention to her is returned 10 times over. . .
 
musclemom said:
I wasn't talking about the overall sex life but the sex life as it evolves throughout the life of the relationship. Besides, everyone on the board pretty much agrees that you and your wife are the exception, not the rule :lmao:

i'm just trying to lead the rest of them down the path of enlightenment. :)
 
cindylou said:
men make no sense.

at all.

you dont have a quality women if she likes to give a blowjob?

she must be a fatty or average if she's giving them out

then you guys complain when you dont get them


lol

That's not what I was saying. I personally never went whaling, but I have a number of friends that will target heavier girls if they're in the mood for a blowjob.

I think you have a quality woman if she likes to please her maing. Works both ways.
 
jnevin said:
lol

That's not what I was saying. I personally never went whaling, but I have a number of friends that will target heavier girls if they're in the mood for a blowjob.

I think you have a quality woman if she likes to please her maing. Works both ways.



oh okay. lol. i see :)
 
digimon7068 said:
i'm just trying to lead the rest of them down the path of enlightenment. :)
Actually from what you've said I think you and your wife probably have one of the healthiest relationships around these parts (at least as you represent it, this is virtual reality so I'm force to accept your posts at face value). You sound like you have a really good grip on what it takes to keep the the embers stoked AND hang in there for the long haul.

I kind of got focused on the often refrained question of "why did it start out so great and why did it go to shit?" Lots of guys around here voice a similar lament to the Oak's and they blame it all on "bitches being devious." I don't think it's planned deviousness for the most part, I think it's just the biological equivalent of being high on hormones. You do shit you normally wouldn't while under the influence, so to speak. Women say the same thing, i.e., "he was so gentle and romantic in the beginning," hormones make those actions almost come naturally in the early parts of a relationship. You have to work at that shit over the long haul, though, and people don't understand why.
 
musclemom said:
Actually from what you've said I think you and your wife probably have one of the healthiest relationships around these parts (at least as you represent it, this is virtual reality so I'm force to accept your posts at face value). You sound like you have a really good grip on what it takes to keep the the embers stoked AND hang in there for the long haul.

I kind of got focused on the often refrained question of "why did it start out so great and why did it go to shit?" Lots of guys around here voice a similar lament to the Oak's and they blame it all on "bitches being devious." I don't think it's planned deviousness for the most part, I think it's just the biological equivalent of being high on hormones. You do shit you normally wouldn't while under the influence, so to speak. Women say the same thing, i.e., "he was so gentle and romantic in the beginning," hormones make those actions almost come naturally in the early parts of a relationship. You have to work at that shit over the long haul, though, and people don't understand why.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/8386590-post95.html :)
 
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