SCHOOLS BOLDLY STAND-UP againt RACISM.

[RyanH]

SCHOOLS BOLDLY STAND-UP againt RACISTS.

MORE WALLS CONTINUE TO FALL, as schools put hateful racists where they belong----down into the trenches:

Since Georgia's state flag, featuring a full-sized St. Andrew's Cross, came down in January, six Georgia communities have cracked down on Hank Williams and Lynyrd Skynyrd T-shirts. "The Rebels" of one Southern high school now wave a "spirit flag" instead of the battle flag.

But instead of easing the tension, such moves seem to have only raised the stakes in the South. In fact, the notion of subjugating the Confederacy in the schools is too much for hundreds of parents. As a result, Southerners with family ties to the Confederacy have filed more than 60 legal actions against T-shirt bans - and have even filed civil rights complaints with the US Department of Justice.

School administrators, however, say they have no choice: As the flag battle heated up here in Georgia, challenges and threats began to flare in classrooms from Savannah to Iron City. Earlier this year, teachers had to separate black and white students ready to fight over a Confederate T-shirt at Seminole County High School (SCHS) in Donalsonville.

Donalsonville administrators see bans as necessary to maintain harmony, and have by no means singled out the Confederate flag. In the mid-1980s, the district banned "Black Panthers" T-shirts after white and black students fought. At one high school, a brawl broke out over a Malcolm X shirt. Unlike in many districts, racial animosity remains: Five years ago, tensions began flaring when a white student wore a T-shirt featuring the battle flag that said: "You've got your 'X', I've got mine."

Thus, another WALL IS BEING BROKEN DOWN-- with schools leading the charge this time. Schools realize that the Confederate Flag is very devisive, and it's offensive to many African-Americans. Further, today's youth refuses to accept such symbols of oppression. African-Americans had to suffer under that flag and to them it reeks of the KKK and bigotry.

Finally, schools are doing what they do best------educating us about the EVILS OF OUR PAST............

 

[vixenbabe]

I'm as old as dirt...But still can recall a time when we use to pray in school as well....

Loren- what the hell happened to your face? You look like shit baby!

 

[TheSalami]

schools are just trying to control as much of kids lives as they can. let them wear whatever the fuck they want. man your a communist.

 

[RyanH]

As I've said before---I'm no Communist. But these symbols create chaos, purple hair and body piercings do not.

Schools must do what schools must do to maintain order.

 

[Warik]

Re: SCHOOLS BOLDLY STAND-UP againt RACISTS.

Earlier this year, teachers had to separate black and white students ready to fight over a Confederate T-shirt

it's offensive to many African-Americans.

I wonder who started the fights...

Last time I checked, wearing a T-shirt wasn't the equivalent of throwing a punch. Maybe if schools taught our children to grow up and handle their differences the adult way instead of "protecting" them from all that is "evil," America's youth would actually amount to something in the future.

Donalsonville school administrators may have just given birth to a dozen new race warlords. As if Jesse Jackson and his henchmen weren't enough.

BTW, RyanH, I'm surprised that you haven't responded to the blatantly "racist" hate crimes you don't hear about thread. What's the matter? Do you only respond to threads in which your opponents are not the clear victors?

-Warik

 

[TxCollegeguy]

Ryan shit like this is why I object to you being a mod....If it were up to your cronies you would skew history into complete Bullshit


The Rebel flag isn't represent the old south as you would tell us, and it doens't represent the KKK.....You and your NAACP Cronies need to re check your "historical" facts


Find out how many Black slave owners there were, Perhaps if those facts came to light the so called Black leaders would lear to get over this shit and so WOuld the Hate Mongrols who are just as ignorant

 

[TheSalami]

if individuals want to wear those shirts they should be allowed to. if chaos occurs then punish those who caused it. people should be able to deal with things they find offensive without resorting to violence. just because they cant does not mean that you take away the rights of innocent people.

 

[RyanH]

The Rebel flag isn't represent the old south.....You and your NAACP Cronies need to re check your "historical" facts


Find out how many Black slave owners there were, Perhaps if those facts came to light the so called Black leaders would lear to get over this shit and so WOuld the Hate Mongrols who are just as ignorant

There are no facts to re-check.....only one fact is relevant: The rebel flag represents the worse of this great nation-----oppression. African-Americans have been beaten down, ridiculed, and degraded---all under the auspices of the rebel flag....

YOU MIGHT AS WELL FLY THE NAZI SYMBOL...

 

[Rex]

Its bullshit like that that is forcing me to wear a uniform in a public school. Now it isn't a big deal, and I'm not crying over it, but for Christ's sake everyone has to bitch about anything. We can't even have brand logos on our clothes b/c someone might get offended.

1st ammendment: Going....goin....

 

[TheSalami]

maybe we should ban all protests because sometimes they cause violence.

 

[RyanH]

Its bullshit like that that is forcing me to wear a uniform in a public school. Now it isn't a big deal, and I'm not crying over it, but for Christ's sake everyone has to bitch about anything. We can't even have brand logos on our clothes b/c someone might get offended.

1st ammendment: Going....goin....

Children have never enjoyed absolute first amendment rights while in a school setting. The Supreme Court has held that schools have the authority to censor free speech when it means that that speech creates a material disruption.

Rebel flag clearly creates a material disruption. I agree that logos do not create a material disruption....

 

[RyanH]

maybe we should ban all protests because sometimes they cause violence.

A school setting is a closed setting. A school must have a way of teaching without chaos present. How else do schools maintain order?

 

[TxCollegeguy]

Perhaps Ryan we can put a Nazi symbol on your Forehead


or better yet a Sickle and Hammer you commie pig

 

[TheSalami]

A school setting is a closed setting. A school must have a way of teaching without chaos present. How else do schools maintain order?

the same way you maintain order any place else. just because a kid is wearing a confederate flag doesnt mean you have to start a big fight in school. (wait until the kid gets outside)

 

[RyanH]

Re: Re: SCHOOLS BOLDLY STAND-UP againt RACISTS.

BTW, RyanH, I'm surprised that you haven't responded to the blatantly "racist"

-Warik

I haven't responded because I know that I won't like what I find when I look inside.....RACIST PROPOGANDA.

I'll look inside in a few minutes after I've finished dealing with some of the racists on this board.

 

[Rex]

The Supreme Court has held that schools have the authority to censor free speech when it means that that speech creates a material disruption.

But its ok when the damn vegetarians place they're anti-meat posters <pretty graphic> up in the cafeteria. I don't care if they put the shit up in the halls, but I don't want to see it when I'm eating.

 

[RyanH]

If racists do not like the decisions of these fine schools, those racists can always start a private school for racists.

But racism should have no role in the public educational system.

 

[TxCollegeguy]

Ryan you ever consider the shit you spew is Hatred to others????Think about that before you respond

 

[TheSalami]

If racists do not like the decisions of these fine schools, those racists can always start a private school for racists.

But racism should have no role in the public educational system.

you are a real big proponent for freedom of speech, that is unless its something you find offensive.

 

[RyanH]

Ryan you ever consider the shit you spew is Hatred to others????Think about that before you respond

That's just an absurd statement. I want all races to get along....we can't do this until we finish burying the flag that has been waved around by the KKK for years...

Do you deny that the rebel flag represents oppression for African-Americans? Afterall, its the flag of George Wallace and southern states with deplorable civil rights recoreds........

 

[RyanH]

you are a real big proponent for freedom of speech, that is unless its something you find offensive.

I'm an avid supporter of the First Amendment and Free Speech. But what you aren't considering Salami, is that the public school setting is a unique situation.

How does a 10 year old child learn when she looks at the guy sitting in front of her and sees him flashing a symbol of hatred and oppression on his shirt.

The mission of schools is to educate----if that process is interfered with, schools become futile.

 

[TheSalami]

so what if it represents oppression for blacks? i dont care if it represents murdering babies you cant just pick and choose what it is you want to censor. what you find offensive other people may not and then you have real conflict.

 

[TheSalami]

are you saying someone cant learn because a kid is wearing an offensive shirt? in all my years in school my learning has never been hindered by the clothes of the other kids in class.

 

[RyanH]

so what if it represents oppression for blacks? i dont care if it represents murdering babies you cant just pick and choose what it is you want to censor. what you find offensive other people may not and then you have real conflict.

I'm not picking and choosing, Salami. I'm very consistent with the appropriate standard for schools to use when it censors speech: If it creates a material disruption, then it should be banned.

What do you think of the Nazi symbol in schools, Salami?

 

[TxCollegeguy]

Yes I deny that it is based on MY POINT OF VIEW

I dont know shit about George Wallace as a man except for what I read and hve head from others....The Rebel flag was a representation of the Southern States Rebelling from the Union for what they felt was right and wrong

It's also a flag that the Western Band of Cherokee fought under cause they had last treaties with the southerners unlike their Northern Brethren who pissed on those treaties....It was also the flag that Black slave owners fought under as well...

George Wallace and the KKK didn't fight under that flag and it's Piss ant liberal Crybabies and The Hate Mongrols who fuck it up for the rest of us who are interested in History as it was...Not like the PC assholes want us to think of it as


How do you expect all of us to live peacefully if yownt to descrate(sp?) our history and skew the stories and facts??

 

[RyanH]

are you saying someone cant learn because a kid is wearing an offensive shirt? in all my years in school my learning has never been hindered by the clothes of the other kids in class.

Maybe thats because you haven't seen someone else sitting in front of you in class, day after day, wearing a symbol that has been used to literally beat you into submission....

You and I both know that's what the rebel flag really represents.

 

[TheSalami]

i think if a kid wants to wear it its up to him. just because you are consistent in what you choose to censor doesnt mean you are right. nothing should be censored.

 

[TheSalami]

you cant just ban things because they offend you. as i see it thats the whole reason why there is the first amendment. to protect peoples rights from people like you who think that they can decide what isnt appropriate. its attitudes exactly like yours that the amendment is supposed to protect us from.

 

[RyanH]

It's also a flag that the Western Band of Cherokee fought under cause they had last treaties with the southerners unlike their Northern Brethren who pissed on those treaties....It was also the flag that Black slave owners fought under as well...

You aren't being sincere here TXCollegeGuy. You really find the rebel flag relevant b/c of some treaty with the Cherokees? Come on. You probably find the rebel flag relevant because it represents a crusade. What you're forgetting is that crusade is a lost cause-----the South lost.....thus the rebel flag means DEFEATED RACISM.

The rebel flag represents absolutely nothing positive.

 

[RyanH]

you cant just ban things because they offend you. as i see it thats the whole reason why there is the first amendment. to protect peoples rights from people like you who think that they can decide what isnt appropriate. its attitudes exactly like yours that the amendment is supposed to protect us from.

Salami---children have always had their constitutional rights limited.....i.e. they can't vote until 18, curfew laws also limit their rights.

Many constitutional rights don't "kick-in" until adulthood.

 

[Warik]

Salami---children have always had their constitutional rights limited.....i.e. they can't vote until 18, curfew laws also limit their rights.

The Constitution does not guarantee the right for a child to vote, thus, a child's Constitutional right to vote is not limited.

The First Amendment, however, does not have an age requirement.

Thx.

-Warik

 

[TheSalami]

i just want to clear something up then. do you think that an adult should be allowed to walk around in public with nazi swastikas on their shirts and confederate flags all over them?

 

[RyanH]

The Constitution does not guarantee the right for a child to vote, thus, a child's Constitutional right to vote is not limited.

The First Amendment, however, does not have an age requirement.

Thx.

-Warik

Right to vote is addressed in the 15th amendment to the U.S. Constitution. We have limited a minors rights in the context of curfew laws, such as the right to travel, to associate.

 

[RyanH]

i just want to clear something up then. do you think that an adult should be allowed to walk around in public with nazi swastikas on their shirts and confederate flags all over them?

Of course, but only in a public setting.

 

[311]

I guess it would be ok by the powers-that-be to wear a hammer and sickle or a red flag T-shirt despite the fact
140 million inocent people were tortured and murdered under that flag?
At my uni people can wear K.G.B shirt but what if I wore a SS shirt?
Looks like we have uncovered a new double standard.
It's ok to be a anti-white commie parasite. but not a
pro-white American right-winger.

 

[Warik]

Right to vote is addressed in the 15th amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

Amendment XXVI - Voting age set to 18 years. Ratified 7/1/1971. History

1. The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age.

2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

STFU now.

Thx

-Warik

 

[RyanH]

Amendment XXVI - Voting age set to 18 years. Ratified 7/1/1971. History

1. The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age.

2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

STFU now.

Thx

-Warik

So it's also addressed by the xxvi amendment. The point is that minors do not enjoy all of the consitutional right adults do.

 

[Warik]

So it's also addressed by the xxvi amendment

The 15th amendment has to do with racial shit for voting.

Your original post: "Salami---children have always had their constitutional rights limited.....i.e. they can't vote until 18"

I mentioned that it doesn't guarantee a child's right to vote. You mentioned the 15th amendment as a retort. 15th amendment has nothing to do with children voting.

Just say "oops" and be done with it.

And go read the hate crimes post. You just won't read it cause you know it's right. =)

-Warik

 

[theoak01]

i feel that racism has no place in school,im so sick of seeing this shit everywhere i go,i dont care who agrees with my opinion,i also however feel that uniforms in a public school is not needed but people wearing shit like that will cause problems because teens cant handle anger without throwing fists,thats why i goto school and mind my own business

 

[RyanH]

The 15th amendment has to do with racial shit for voting.

Your original post: "Salami---children have always had their constitutional rights limited.....i.e. they can't vote until 18"

I mentioned that it doesn't guarantee a child's right to vote. You mentioned the 15th amendment as a retort. 15th amendment has nothing to do with children voting.
-Warik

INCORRECT: I simply said that voting was addressed by the 15th Amendment b/c earlier you had said that voting wasn't addressed by the Constitution. I never said that the 15th Amendment gives someone a right to vote....If I remember correctly it only guarantees against disciminatory practices in voting.

 

[theoak01]

i feel smarter when i read these threads,good old fashion debates

 

[chesty]

If I can't fly the Southern Flag then Malcom X can't be worn to school on a t-shirt. To me that symbol is devisive and disruptive and it offends me greatly.

Body peircings can help identify a gang member, are used to symbolize ones objection to authority. Tatooes help align and identify individuals and groups.

Your so called schools leading the charge are in clear violation of the Constitution and when we start giving up rights for the greater good we give up freedom.

Also, when will you learn that the Southern Flag does not represent slavery.

Tell me RyanH what was the Civil War fought for in the first place. No one tell him let him figure it out.

And why did the US gov't let the black people stay? They discussed what to do with them after the civil war. One of the choices was to round them up and send them back to Africa? Now this was the North the so called righteous side that "freed" the slaves.

I so tire of this crap. RyanH I know exactly what your response will be so why bother.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

Re: SCHOOLS BOLDLY STAND-UP againt RACISTS.

My dear Ryan,

This policy, while well-intended, is misguided. That is true of so many things in politics.

Actions such as this serve only to attempt to erase history. This is bad. History is and should be a learning tool. This attempt at erasing and rewriting history will only guarantee we repeat it.

You also said somethng which had to be a mistake, or I am reading it wrong. In response to the Salami, you said that adults should be able to walk around in shirts with swastikas, etc, but "only in a public setting".

Last I checked the G-men can't come into my house and restrict what I wear.

 

[Milhouse]

You guys should see how fucked up ppl are here in the land of back bacon and good beer.

Some bitch wants to change our national anthem because it has the word men in it,

What these PC fucks dont realize is that everytime they scream discrimination and try to change things they are in fact being discriminating themselves.

As for your situation, who gives a fuck about some flag or shirt, thats all it is.

And Ryan even though I could care less about someone's race there will never be a day where people accept each other for who or what they are. Call it ignorance or human nature doesnt matter every songle person on this plane is bigoted towards somebody, sometimes for stupid reason, sometimes not frankly.

Forcing people to accept others to me just promotes even more hate and violence via resentment.

 

[gymnpoppa]

And Ryan even though I could care less about someone's race there will never be a day where people accept each other for who or what they are. Call it ignorance or human nature doesnt matter every songle person on this plane is bigoted towards somebody, sometimes for stupid reason, sometimes not frankly.

Forcing people to accept others to me just promotes even more hate and violence via resentment.

Precisely why there will never be a day, the negative attitudes have to change first. Now, I realize that some of the people starting these threads are actually looking for some debate/arguments to prove a point. But for those who post to incite hate-laced arguments, you know who you are. Leads me to think that none of them want a solution, they aren't tired of it.....all talk and no action......no plans to make it better or nothing......and why not force people to be positive and accept others....there is so much energy focused on forcing them to hate, and never, ever forgive, or let live. And no, I'm not bigoted toward any race. I am too busy trying to improve my own life to be worried or concerned about what do-nothings have to say. I think it's big4life that has the signature relating to" judge the character of a man by what he does for those who do nothing for him" .....if it doesn't stir something in you, you wouldn't understand the concept of trying to get along with others. But people will find all kinds of excuses to NOT get along.....and none to try and get along. Just in case some small-minded do-nothing is wondering if I'm doing anything pertaining to what I just mentioned....PM me anytime, I'm not just talking shit.

 

[bigkraut]

You know what, if they hadn't desegregated the schools, we wouldn't be going through this. Forced busing caused this problem by forcing a bunch of people that don't belong together to stay together in the same rooms. As a white kid that went through the Baltimore City Public Schools in the 70's, I can tell you it wasn't pleasant. It was war. Getting jumped became a way of life, but hell, the wounds always healed ok and only a few scarred. They(blacks) hated me because of my skin color. They taught me how to hate. A bunch of limp dick politicians that didn't have to subject their kids to the shit they were forcing on kids like me made the rules. I never had any animosity toward the blacks until a group of them half kicked my head in walking home from school when I was 7. So as far as any sellout whites are concerned, I only hope you have your car break down in the Cherry Hill section of Baltimore at night. If you survive, then tell me how you feel about "black causes". Bunch of shit brought up in a cracker white burb gonna tell me how priviledged I am to have gone to school in an anti-white system. Yeah, sure you're right!

 

[Natymike]

If racists do not like the decisions of these fine schools, those racists can always start a private school for racists.

But racism should have no role in the public educational system.

Maybe the schools should lower the crime rate of every school and ban the African American students because they make up every category of diciplinary problems, drop out rate, and special education. But I forgot, all the teachers are racist. Pretty soon, African Americans will be able bypass all schooling and just land a high paying job surrounded by other African Americans so they won't be subjected to any discrimination.

Last I checked, the name "For Us By Us" is made to segregate. And don't give me the BS about it being From us by us, think about that phrase, it makes no sense. Aside from Rizzo, I've heard it 100 times as For us By us. I'd like to see them ban those clothes, HAHAHAHAH, wow, talk about riots in every school.

Don't worry, schools are already segregating themselves, white families are moving away so their children can be safe at school. This has happened to many High schools in the Houston area. The black schools have to bring in metal dectectors and HPD officers just to roam the halls. I wonder why the predominately white schools don't need all this protection from crime?? After attending a public school like that, I can assure you my kids will not be subjected to the shit that I put up with.

Don't give me shit about school shootings, I personaly know of 3 shootings that occured at my school while I was there. Luckily the blacks only shot the blacks and nobody else was hurt. Shootings like these are never made public because they are expected. If a white person opens fire, you will hear about it because its not normal.

 

[WODIN]

The Civil war was fought over money, pure and simple. The central banking establishment in Europe had been kicked to the curb by Stone Wall Jackson (my hero) and Lincoln had no intention of reinstituting the central banking practice.

And don't give me that state rights bullshit either!

 

[GLP]

I am not even going to read what ryanH wrote I do not need to vomit on my keyboard.

 

[Y_lifter]

Damn, after reading RyanH's views, I guess I'm gonna have to take back all that FUBU stuff I got for my kid..

 

[Weapon X]

 

[gymnpoppa]

Still no one

even talking about wanting this to cease, nobody tired of it.......anybody?

 

[RyanH]

Re: Re: SCHOOLS BOLDLY STAND-UP againt RACISTS.

My dear Ryan,

This policy, while well-intended, is misguided. That is true of so many things in politics.

Actions such as this serve only to attempt to erase history. This is bad. History is and should be a learning tool. This attempt at erasing and rewriting history will only guarantee we repeat it.

You also said somethng which had to be a mistake, or I am reading it wrong. In response to the Salami, you said that adults should be able to walk around in shirts with swastikas, etc, but "only in a public setting".

Last I checked the G-men can't come into my house and restrict what I wear.

To clarify what I was saying Matt: Of course, one can wear what he wants in his own home; I was referring to private schools-------private schools can restrict students from wearing anything they want.

 

[mike peters]

Natymike, I bet you could purchase a FUBU shirt anytime you want just as well as anyone else. And for those opposning RyanH. Go ahead, wear Nazi and Confederate flag shirts on the wrong side of town, then watch what happens! Other than that take your asses to school for politics/law and make a stand in office. I didn't think so. Continue being a bodybuilder and focus on diet, training and your cycle. Have a wonderful day.

 

[chesty]

The last time I checked the Constitution stated that we are allowed to wear what we want, where we want, and the same thing with our speach, and writings.

Screw this give up rights for the greater good. You know what just like Nat said, I moved outside the city to get away from the crime, the bullshit that happens in the schools so that my kids could concentrate on learning and being kids, not be subjected to beatings and poor education.

You know what so far our crime rate is fairly low where I am at, but I have already watched a teenage black male (yes, I said black male) kick a white kid half his age and size in the head and thought that was funny. I have some that are in a gang that moved into my neighborhood and that really pisses me off. I bust my ass to live in an area free of that shit and thanks to Clinton and the other bleeding liver liberals, I have to now put up with the very crap I tried to move away from.

 

[plifter]

I think someone needs to teach these damn furby's that they can't get violent and start rioting because they don't like whitey's Skynard shirt. What kind of sheltered world are we trying to create? There are things in life that offend everyone. It's just the Furbies that think they can get violent over it. These kids need to learn how to deal with it.
Also banning whitey's clothes will only create more tension. Maybe white kids should beat the hell out of Furby's for wearing FUBU.

 

[Natymike]

Natymike, I bet you could purchase a FUBU shirt anytime you want just as well as anyone else. And for those opposning RyanH. Go ahead, wear Nazi and Confederate flag shirts on the wrong side of town, then watch what happens! Other than that take your asses to school for politics/law and make a stand in office. I didn't think so. Continue being a bodybuilder and focus on diet, training and your cycle. Have a wonderful day.

How bout any white guy show up on the wrong side of town with regular clothing on, you will either:

A: be pulled over because they think you are buying drugs

B: Be carjacked

C: Be shot

D: B & C

There is a story on CBS tonight about how wealthy black Americans always request to be with other wealthy BLACK Americans when looking for a home. This is according to real estate companies. The question tonight is "Why are African Americans segregating themselves?" I wonder what the explanation to this "racist" story will be. And I didn't think any black man could be sucessful in this white mans world, hmmmmm, should be an interesting show, even the rich don't like white people.

 

[plifter]

And for those opposning RyanH. Go ahead, wear Nazi and Confederate flag shirts on the wrong side of town, then watch what happens!

I don't think I understand you. Do you think what happens when a white guy wears a confederate flag in the wrong part of town is ok. The point is that Furbies shouldn't kill people because they don't like the person's clothes.

 

[CONTRACTION]

I think someone needs to teach these damn n*gg#$s that they can't get violent and start rioting because they don't like whitey's Skynard shirt. What kind of sheltered world are we trying to create? There are things in life that offend everyone. It's just the blacks that think they can get violent over it. These kids need to learn how to deal with it.
Also banning whitey's clothes will only create more tension. Maybe white kids should beat the hell out of blacks wearing FUBU.

plifter, you are definitely the wrong type to join this discussion. this was a pretty educated and civil discussion till you jumped in with "n*gg#$s". no one else resorted to those terms.

as for my views, i think people should wear what they want because i couldn't care less to see a white person waving a confederate flag or wearing a simple tshirt. who cares and how does that effect me? the only problem i will have is if he comes directly to me to cause conflict. also, some of you should have noticed that the other side (black kids) was also attacked for wearing whatever shirt they want, but i understand you staying on your side and supporting.

the south is still to volatile, i dont feel it has caught up with the rest of the world by a long shot. it has a long way to go before a lot of the conflict is settled. just seems like an uncivilized region...almost primitive.

this country lags in social maturity and maybe that's due to it being a young country still. compared to europe which is a far older society, this country is very immature, narrow minded and very unopen. just look at this debate over some damn shirts...ridiculous really.

 

[gymnpoppa]

plifter, you are definitely the wrong type to join this discussion. this was a pretty educated and civil discussion till you jumped in with "n*gg#$s". no one else resorted to those terms.


this country lags in social maturity and maybe that's due to it being a young country still. compared to europe which is a far older society, this country is very immature, narrow minded and very unopen. just look at this debate over some damn shirts...ridiculous really.

No, the reason this country lags is not because its a young country. It's general attitude like plifter expressed towards other races..we have degenerated to a level where same sex marriages bills are being passed, politicians are kissing up to those for votes, NOBODY is willing to try and do what's right. Too much NEGATIVITY.....NO PARENTING, NO RESTRAINTS ON nothing anymore.....ANYTHING goes. People here do not hold integrity, or respect, or morals as valuable things to have. Consequently, the divorce rate is high, crimes are more violent than ever, the government is more corrupt than ever....and it just trickles down. People hide behind the Constitution for rights to do and say ANYTHING. Lawyers and courts constantly try to circumvent the system with unethical tactics.....evidence is mysteriously lost, misplaced, or tainted. I feel fortunate to have lived in other places where there maybe less, but there is more thru the important things in life.....a whole lot of you should have to live somewhere else, and depend on something, or someone other than whoever, or whatever has gotten you to the point you are at NOW in your life. I'm not talking about visit other countries, I'm talking about live there.....for a few years....without the generational crutches, and the ears you have now, to hear your do-nothing mindsets. But then again, the attitudes that are on display here, they wouldn't be WELCOME in other countries. Of course racism is a global entity, but I can tell you this....Mid East allowed, it isn't boiling over intensely and the MAJOR daily conflict/stupidity-laced comments are not present. I guess pride and giving a shit about people left this country during Vietnam....with the dumbass moves by government leadership at that time. The saying shit rolls down hill rangs true here.....while it stinks wherever, the stench is worst here, because some people choose to wallow in it, and self-pity, and to kick others, even while they themselves are drowning in it....

 

[plifter]

OK I'm a racist because I get mad when Furbies beat up whitey over their clothes? Whatever.....

 

[gymnpoppa]

Who Called you a Racist Plifter

OK I'm a racist because I get mad when Furbies beat up whitey over their clothes? Whatever.....

Where did you hear that from? I have NEVER called anyone a racist here. I made a comment about your ATTITUDE, and used your comments as prevailing PROOF that nothing will change as long as this is the norm! Now that I know what a Furbie is, my point is the same, it's the ATTITUDE. It doesn't matter to me what color you are, what you wear, what religion you practice......ALL PEOPLE, white, black, hispanic, asian, indian, african, european living here, need to stop expending NEGATIVE ENERGY on the past, or whatever issues prompt these discussions.......and do what Real Men should be capable of doing, getting along! If you cannot find reason to get along, stop masquerading as a Man, and stay immature, bigoted, or whatever those kinds of people do....(once again, that was not a personal attack on you, I do not know you) but for a country that lives to impress and outdo the next person......do something that would be really impressive.

 

[chesty]

So, what is the answer?

 

[Natymike]

So, what is the answer?

kill whitey

 

[plifter]

Re: Who Called you a Racist Plifter

Now that I know what a Furbie is,

A Furby is one of those toy stuffed critters that talks. I started using that term because someone else was offended by what I previously said so I tried to think of a term that couldn't possibly offend anyone.

 

[gymnpoppa]

Naty

making friends again, huh?

 

[plifter]

kill whitey

That's what that rap bitch Sista Soulja said back in 1992. I wonder what would happen if a white singer like Michael Jackson had said to kill blacks.

 

[gymnpoppa]

That's what that rap bitch Sista Soulja said back in 1992. I wonder what would happen if a white singer like Michael Jackson had said to kill blacks.

Whoever Sista Soulja is, and whatever music incites hate...be it rap or other crap, it is all part of the problem.......No one will progress forward utilizing the past as excuses.....or wondering what if....nothing will be accomplished. I will never deadlift 700 lbs with that kind of reasoning anywhere in my mind. I'll never get anything worthwhile accomplished, or it will be lessened by the stagnant thoughts occupying my mind.

 

[Warik]

I wonder what would happen if a white singer like Michael Jackson had said to kill blacks.

Didn't he used to be black?

-Warik

 

[chesty]

What makes a part of town racist just because blacks don't live there? Did you ever stop to think they don't live there because they don't want too? That would make you a typical liberal forcing us to live the way you percieve is best suited for us to promote harmony and goodwill.

You have no clue what it is to be racist. Try being a Jew and living in a predominately white neighborhood of Germans that feel they are the one true race. Oh and being half german didn't help.

 

[gymnpoppa]

What makes a part of town racist just because blacks don't live there? Did you ever stop to think they don't live there because they don't want too? That
You have no clue what it is to be racist. Try being a Jew and living in a predominately white neighborhood of Germans that feel they are the one true race. Oh and being half german didn't help.

In Vidor Tx, they tried (blacks) to move in there and live, and couldn't even with government protection.

 

[RyanH]

Of course, the Civil War was fought over money, but if you read David Herbert Donald's "Lincoln" biography, you'll find that Lincoln was also appauled by what the South had done to the Slaves, and was guided also by a sense of morality.

Thus, there were many many reasons behind the Civil War. But, the symbolism behind the rebel flag has nothing to do with states rights or some Cherokee treaty, the rebel flag is waived around as though the Sun set most beautifully on the South when slaves were beaten into submission.

There is absolutely nothing favorable about that time in this nation's history. The South is doing what is right thing to do-----burying an ugly part of the past, just as the Germans should forget that they once had a "leader" who gased innocent children and women.

 

[CONTRACTION]

I'm a black man that has never really had any jewish friends, but when I see a movie on TV or a documentary about the holocaust I get so damn furious. I will admit it has even made me cry at times. Even to this day, the jewish community faces racism, yet they continue to move forward.

I dont like racism period, that's my point. It's so destructive and ugly. I want to live my life on a higher level. Those of you who choose to hate another man, there is nothing to be said for you. I dont think I will be wasting my time, my mind or heart on hating.

It's obvious in your comments how some of you feel about blacks, what I would like to know is what happened to you personally to give you those opinions and feelings?? Are you just jumping on a bandwagon? Were you raised to be close minded? Or do you hate for no reason? Give a specific answer...and try not to blab out some very uneducated comment that people will just read over and not pay attention to.

 

[CONTRACTION]

Re: Re: Who Called you a Racist Plifter

A Furby is one of those toy stuffed critters that talks. I started using that term because someone else was offended by what I previously said so I tried to think of a term that couldn't possibly offend anyone.

PLIFTER, I was not offended by your word. It neither hurts nor phases me. If you misunderstood, I will explain again. It was a civil and educated debate going on until you injected negativity. Everyone else had no problems speaking their mind in a civil manner till you came along. If you want to use that word to express yourself, feel free, but I would expect something much better than that if we are to talk about the subject like mature adults.

 

[RyanH]

It's obvious in your comments how some of you feel about blacks, what I would like to know is what happened to you personally to give you those opinions and feelings?? Are you just jumping on a bandwagon? Were you raised to be close minded? Or do you hate for no reason? Give a specific answer...and try not to blab out some very uneducated comment that people will just read over and not pay attention to.

Contraction---do not worry. For every ignorant member of this board, there is another member who is educated. I think you'll find that most racism is spread from "mom and dad." We aren't born to be racist, people acquire it over time.

Most racists are simply angry b/c they no longer have a false superiority over another class of people. When we are equal, we must work harder on ourselves........many people are afraid to do this, so they spend all of their time on hate...........

 

[CONTRACTION]

YES, racism is learned. Tell me from where people?? Where did you learn to hate a certain race, color or religion??

 

[RyanH]

Further, why waive a LOSER flag? The South lost, period. Thus, the rebel flag represents a lost cause, defeat, rejection. Why not waive the American flag, a true symbol of our history, a true symbol of equality, a true symbol of victory.......?

Thus, WeaponX, the rebel flag you posted equals LOSERDOM....

 

[PsychoSkitz]

Five years ago, tensions began flaring when a white student wore a T-shirt featuring the battle flag that said: "You've got your 'X', I've got mine."

That's pretty cute. How come some people can't see why the confedarate flag is a disgrace to blacks?

It's the same as Jews being offended by the swastika. Yes there were some good points but there is surely nothing to be proud of. What are they so proud of anyway? We kicked their asses.

 

[bigkraut]

I was taught racism by racist blacks. I myself wish no harm to come to anyone, but I prefer to remain with my own kind. I wish they would re-segregate the schools and then the blacks can glorify Malcolm Little and the whites can display their Army of Northern Virginia battle flag and noone should feel "beaten down". As for slavery, give me a break. It isn't my fault that somebody's ancestors got their asses kicked and the winner sold thoses asses to slave traders who, unfortunately, sold them here. What was the alternative to slavery for those people? The victorious tribes would have killed them in a blink of an eye. The fact that some blacks think that those white europeans just went into the jungle and began rounding these people up slays me. You were sold out by your own kind, just like we are being sold out now by ours. If I could go back in time, I would sink those damn slave ships before they made it halfway here. Man, the trouble that would've saved!

 

[CONTRACTION]

I thought I said be specific and leave out immature comments? Any keen listeners who want to have an educated discussion?

 

[plifter]

I wasn't racist until black people told me I was racist.

 

[Natymike]

Contraction---do not worry. For every ignorant member of this board, there is another member who is educated. I think you'll find that most racism is spread from "mom and dad." We aren't born to be racist, people acquire it over time.

Luckily there is just ONE of you or this board would go down the drain.

I see you are again blaming my parents for my views, well, you are right, I blame them for letting me attend a HS with a large percentage of blacks. Otherwise I might of not associated with all the thugs that I did. Maybe then I would be blind to everything like you are.

 

[gymnpoppa]

Plifter

I wasn't racist until black people told me I was racist.

Is that all it takes to change you? Somebody telling you........what a lame copout...what happens if you are called a child molester? or murderer?

I expected a better explanation than that. NOBODY could call me a rascist and I become one....why would anybody even listen to someone even talking like that is beyond me.....

 

[Fonz]

RyanH, contraction Don't EVER talk about what you haven't
actually experienced.

I'll tell you guys a little story.

I used to live in Ottawa. When I went there I was only 12
and EXTREMELY naive. Yes, my mother had raised me
to be very tolerant of other people. She was VERY MUCH
against racism. I had gone to private schools all my
life and had met some very decent black people who
I was happy to call friends.
Anyways, the first year I was In Ottawa, my mother put me in
a public school because the admissions deadline to a private
school she wanted me to go to had passed. I really
didn't care. I was just a naive 13-year old kid. Athletic
and very sports-oriented.
Anyways, my FIRST DAY of schools some black guy and
his 3-man posse tried to "roll" me for my Chicago
Bulls hat. I thought he was just joking when he took it
of my head, but I realized I was mistaken when I
ooked as his demeanour; "This is MY hat now, so what
are you going to do about it"-kind-of-demeanour.
I approached closer to be a little bit more forceful(remember
I was very naive. NOT violent at all), and his 3-man posse
jumped me.
At that point my "survival" instinct kicked into overdrive.
I managed to get the 3 black guys off me(They weren't very
big, just lanky) with some wrestling-moves(I actually
broke one guys arm) and then proceeded to get my hat back.
During all this time the guy with the hat had been kcking me
btw. Anyways, he swung at me and I ducked, I THEN hit him
VERY hard right on the ribs and broke 5 of them. He collapsed
with the wind knocked out of him.
I just retrieved my hat and went home.
Needless to say my mother was shocked when the school
wanted to suspend ME.
In the end however, I got a months worth of detention.
I don't think I ever saw my mother so angry.

After that, EVERY black guy left me alone.
Thats the only currency they know. VIOLENCE.
You're stronger than they are: Then they leave you alone.
If you aren't: THEY WILL PREY ON YOU.
(White assholes also exist in HS, but they're numbers
are far fewer than black assholes)

It was quite a rude awakening for me.
I was a 13-year old innocent, naive kid with ABSOLUTELY
NO INKLING as to what racism was. I had never
experienced it. If you want a template to see how
black people are then feel free to use me.


On an ending note however,education is the great
equalizer I think. I have not met
ONE black guy in University who behaves like
the VAST MAJORITY of the black people in
the public school system.
In fact I have quite a few black friends.

Godspeed

 

[Natymike]

Oh yeah, thats right-Martin Lawrence said white people are too stupid to understand black comedy.

Whats to understand? Making fun of white people is comedy, making fun of black people is racism. Its as simple as that.

 

[GLP]

On the motherfucking nose Natymike!!
RyanH dude is a moron who thinks he is above everybody because he is SOOOOOOO enlightend. I hate self righteous assholes.

 

[plifter]

Re: Plifter

Is that all it takes to change you? Somebody telling you........what a lame copout...what happens if you are called a child molester? or murderer?

I expected a better explanation than that. NOBODY could call me a rascist and I become one....why would anybody even listen to someone even talking like that is beyond me.....

Dude you misunderstood. Blacks cry racism so much that white people feel guilty of being racist even when they aren't racist.
The other day at work I started to make a comment about a monkey that had absolutely nothing to do with race. I decided not to make the comment because I was afraid that no matter how I worded it a black co-worker would cry racism and I'd be fired. Blacks have whitey by the balls when it comes to using race to their advantage.

 

[CONTRACTION]

RyanH, contraction Don't EVER talk about what you haven't
actually experienced.

I'll tell you guys a little story.

I used to live in Ottawa. When I went there I was only 12
and EXTREMELY naive. Yes, my mother had raised me
to be very tolerant of other people. She was VERY MUCH
against racism. I had gone to private schools all my
life and had met some very decent black people who
I was happy to call friends.
Anyways, the first year I was In Ottawa, my mother put me in
a public school because the admissions deadline to a private
school she wanted me to go to had passed. I really
didn't care. I was just a naive 13-year old kid. Athletic
and very sports-oriented.
Anyways, my FIRST DAY of schools some black guy and
his 3-man posse tried to "roll" me for my Chicago
Bulls hat. I thought he was just joking when he took it
of my head, but I realized I was mistaken when I
ooked as his demeanour; "This is MY hat now, so what
are you going to do about it"-kind-of-demeanour.
I approached closer to be a little bit more forceful(remember
I was very naive. NOT violent at all), and his 3-man posse
jumped me.
At that point my "survival" instinct kicked into overdrive.
I managed to get the 3 black guys off me(They weren't very
big, just lanky) with some wrestling-moves(I actually
broke one guys arm) and then proceeded to get my hat back.
During all this time the guy with the hat had been kcking me
btw. Anyways, he swung at me and I ducked, I THEN hit him
VERY hard right on the ribs and broke 5 of them. He collapsed
with the wind knocked out of him.
I just retrieved my hat and went home.
Needless to say my mother was shocked when the school
wanted to suspend ME.
In the end however, I got a months worth of detention.
I don't think I ever saw my mother so angry.

After that, EVERY black guy left me alone.
Thats the only currency they know. VIOLENCE.
You're stronger than they are: Then they leave you alone.
If you aren't: THEY WILL PREY ON YOU.
(White assholes also exist in HS, but they're numbers
are far fewer than black assholes)

It was quite a rude awakening for me.
I was a 13-year old innocent, naive kid with ABSOLUTELY
NO INKLING as to what racism was. I had never
experienced it. If you want a template to see how
black people are then feel free to use me.


On an ending note however,education is the great
equalizer I think. I have not met
ONE black guy in University who behaves like
the VAST MAJORITY of the black people in
the public school system.
In fact I have quite a few black friends.

Godspeed

YOU know nothing about me and my experiences, dont tell me when I should talk about certain subjects. So I would appreciate you backing up and thinking for a second before you say something about me.

So, the kids wanted your hat right? Did they attack you because you were white or they wanted your hat? I was picked on by bullies in high school, yet I dont feel it was racially motivated. I have something against those bullies, not against their race. Come on man, after reading a majority of your posts I would think you are smarter than that. You had a bad childhood experience and now you have this view of blacks?

I find it funny how people always throw in that "I have friends that are black" phrase.

I'm not jumping on you, but you really disappointed me with your first statement and your story Fonz. You think I dont have real racism stories to share from growing up in a small town? Please, you know nothing about me. Yet after all that, I think positive about white people.

 

[CONTRACTION]

Did anybody see def comedy jam last night. I missed it because I was getting my manecure.

Oh yeah, thats right-Martin Lawrence said white people are too stupid to understand black comedy.

Just take it as a joke. I do when Dice Man caps on blacks.

 

[CONTRACTION]

Re: Re: Plifter

Dude you misunderstood. Blacks cry racism so much that white people feel guilty of being racist even when they aren't racist.
The other day at work I started to make a comment about a monkey that had absolutely nothing to do with race. I decided not to make the comment because I was afraid that no matter how I worded it a black co-worker would cry racism and I'd be fired. Blacks have whitey by the balls when it comes to using race to their advantage.

Plifter, just dont condemn all blacks. Each individual is different.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

I still think "racism" is more of an economic problem than a racial one.

 

[CONTRACTION]

HEY MATT, IS THAT AN OSPF COMMAND I SEE??

 

[CONTRACTION]

router ospf 48800
log-adjacency-changes
redistribute static
network 10.0.0.0 0.0.3.255 area 1
network 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 area 0

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

Contraction,

Yep! I'm a Cisco guy/consultant/CCNP. I'm also writing a technical reference. How about yourself?

 

[CONTRACTION]

I'm a network engineer, working for a start-up company right now. I'm on my way to CCNP with the BCMSN and BSCN exams completed. I've only been in networking for 2 years, most of my experience is on the telecom side in satellite communications. I saw that satcom was going no where and got into networking. I love it!!!

 

[JayO]

edited....ryan.

 

[JayO]

Edited...ryan.

 

[gymnpoppa]

JayO

No wonder you don't have much to say.....nobody here is asking you for advice on either of your posts. Intelligent posting seems to have bypassed you also.

 

[FrankRizzo]

I'd like to see him wear a t-shirt like that rather than put it up on a computer screen. Posting it takes no balls.

Those are symbols of pure hatred. That is foolish to even think for a minute it is "cool".

 

[gymnpoppa]

Re: Re: Plifter

Dude you misunderstood. Blacks cry racism so much that white people feel guilty of being racist even when they aren't racist.
The other day at work I started to make a comment about a monkey that had absolutely nothing to do with race. I decided not to make the comment because I was afraid that no matter how I worded it a black co-worker would cry racism and I'd be fired. Blacks have whitey by the balls when it comes to using race to their advantage.

Plifter, I don't know your situation, but apparently you are dealing with a bad situation. I'm fortunate, and also I don't believe in living in those kinds of conditions. I don't understand what kind of work is worthy of sacrificing your humor, well being, or anything else about yourself and walk around on eggshells because you're afraid of offending what appears to be hateful people. Everything these days is perpetuated by the past.....I don't care how you cut it......more lawsuits etc. Men and women refuse to stand up and be accountable for themselves, or be responsible for their actions. EVERYbody is looking to point a finger at somebody, or something for their failure to progress in life. Same thing when it comes to working out and getting in shape......The general public would rather take Metabolife, or some other fake quickfix shit, than bring their ass to a gymn and workout. You know how much fat, lazy people resent you for going to the gymn? Well, the same applies to life, or anything hard, like succeeding in life and raising a family with mom and dad both being there. It is easier for (not to be rascist) people to bitch and complain, and blame, than actually getting up off their ass and doing something. Same principle, man. Surround yourself with positive people going places, and keep those kinds around you. It would be worth it to get a job which allows you to be yourself and have fun. It takes a lot more energy to be around negativity all the time. If you can't, you will become it. NEGATIVE