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truckdaddy
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For guys like me in the early 30s......i dig it. No shutdown and nice body comp change. pnly prob i can say is the blurred vision.
I got it pretty bad.
I got it pretty bad.
SARMS S-4...who likes it.?
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truckdaddy
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It did with me....haha
truckdaddy
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jacshelb
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Yeah, they say the vision thing clears up in a few days after stopping. I never got it real bad, but kept my dose to 75 mg per day with 2 days off per week. I like it too, no suppression that I could see. Muscles kept fuller, subtle gains while dieting/losing fat. Can't complain about that! Usually when dieting (keto) I'd be flat as a pancake and lose more muscle than I'd care to admit to.
redsamurai
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Does anybody know why that eyeshit happens? Maybe the blurring goes away, but what if little by little it degrades your eyesight?
There's always a catch isn't there?...lol
There's always a catch isn't there?...lol
truckdaddy
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doesn't seem to be one that I have found yet. I prefer over juice. I cant take the ups and downs of shutdown,even var shuts me down hard... and as of right now its legal as research chem.
truckdaddy
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whas this a pro hormone, or sarms s-4? Are you saying you should have used an anit e with it?
there are a few sup companies making using the name.
redsamurai
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It's not supposed to affect your normal test production at all,that's weird. Anybody have an explanation?
jacshelb
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What doses were you on and for how long? It cut your total test in half? Dose anyone else besides me find this a little much to accept at face value? Not trying to be a dick, but you've got bloodwork spaced 8 months apart. Is there a little more information you can give us on what was going on those 8 months? Again, not discounting your evidence (especially as I've given none of my own) but I'd like to know all I can about what you're presenting. What were your liver values pre-sarm? What was your total test just before sarms? Did you use Sarms post cycle etc. Thanks.
redsamurai
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interesting. Sarms are not supposed to affect your HPTA in the slightest. You could account some depression to environmental factors, but not in half. I guess we have to take this guys word for it that he hasn't used anything else.
I find it strange though that you would jump straight to a SARM without ever having taken regular roids. I've used before and SARM's still seem a little sketchy to me, especially with the eye fucking.
I find it strange though that you would jump straight to a SARM without ever having taken regular roids. I've used before and SARM's still seem a little sketchy to me, especially with the eye fucking.
jacshelb
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Thanks Phate1, I really do appreciate the info. Still, your results seem extreme. Again, not trying to discount them, I believe you. But, your results of your bloodwork seem more like someone who is using a moderate dose of oral steroids (highly increases liver values, significant test suppression etc.). That's the only reason I find it shocking. Did you recover after stopping the sarms? I would like the link to your log as I find this very interesting. Thanks again.
truckdaddy
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225mgs ed is a massive does....that might be the issue. I have heard of no one having ANY shut down on the S4. It is hard to get as well....so i wonder if you had the real deal.
jacshelb
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Phate, thanks again for your info. I checked out your log. It's weird, LH seemed to double while on S4 indicating that it would be good for PCT, however total test was cut in half, indicating it would be bad for PCT. What do you make of that? I mean, if LH is up, shouldn't test be up as well? Does anyone with a bit more HPTA axis knowledge have something to add to this that will help me understand how this is possible?
jacshelb
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I can't stop thinking about these results Phate. What do you make of them? I mean, during a normal testosterone cycle your total test readings would be way up and LH would not be elevated. And, yet we definitely know that testosterone is suppressive. I wonder if the elevated LH is the body's way of compensating and trying to even everything out. And, along that same line of thought, what happens to hormone levels immediately after stopping s4? I mean, with elevated LH and suppressed test during the cycle, perhaps the rebound to normal test production is accelerated kind of like using HCG. Who knows I guess, but I can't help but wonder.
truckdaddy
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I never felt any shut down on it at all...
SARMS Search
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Interesting
Anthony Roberts loves it. I'm going to give it a try. I'll report back.
truckdaddy
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shit loads of research out on this stuff....already in phase 2 of clinical trials.
google it, this stuff is cool man.
Carlito B
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S4 can be used as an addition to a PCT protocol, it WILL HELP you retain most if not all GAINS in strength and lean mass plus it also affects your mood positively so you won't feel that crash most of us feel while on PCT, a true SMOOTH transition from being ON to being OFF and like I said you will retain all lean mass gains and may even add strength.
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truckdaddy
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Its great for PCT, personally like it alone. I dont mess with anything that shuts down the boys anymore.
also from sarmsinfo.com
* 1. Undetectable
* 2. Oral
* 3. Similar effects to testosterone (libido, strength gains, etc…)
* 4. No conversion to Dihydrotestosterone
* 5. No conversion to estrogen
* 6. As anabolic as testosterone propionate
* 7. No liver toxicity
* 8. Does not inhibit your HPTA (no reduction in LH or FSH)
* 9. (Legal?)
Ive heard it is toxic, it does increase BP, supress...basically has similar sides to aas - idk how less/more pronounced tho. And yes ive asked around about this stuff, and researched.
Info on Sarms: Expanding the therapeutic use of androgens via selective androgen receptor modulators (SARMs)
DJ_UFO
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How does affect the realease of GnRH from the hypothalamus once stopped?
Does it has any effect on SBHG levels?
Maybe does not directly sends a shutdown signal to the HPTA, but it could interfere with a different circuit in the loop. The body is way more complex than an electronic device. Is not as simple as altering the hormonal system and pretend nothing happens.
But that's just my opinion. I'll wait til a lot of people cycle it, if all the reports are positive, I will be more than glad to try it.
Does it has any effect on SBHG levels?
Maybe does not directly sends a shutdown signal to the HPTA, but it could interfere with a different circuit in the loop. The body is way more complex than an electronic device. Is not as simple as altering the hormonal system and pretend nothing happens.
But that's just my opinion. I'll wait til a lot of people cycle it, if all the reports are positive, I will be more than glad to try it.
Drewb
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So you could you use it during PCT or as a bridge or even stand alone? Cyc -> pct/s4 or s4 -> cyc -> pct/s4 or s4 with no pct needed?
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truckdaddy
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You can use it alone with no PCT, or you can use it WITH your PCT.
I once did, 4 weeks sarms,4 weeks var and finished with 4 weeks of samrs....never looked better
Carlito B
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I think the best way to use it is as an addtion to a PCT so you can retain most if not all gains including strength.
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redsamurai
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I'm gonna go with UFO on this one, there is "always" a catch. The eye thing is enough for me......but I'll bet there's more. Is there any literature on it's affects on heart muscle tissue?
truckdaddy
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there is a catch with anything if you take to much...keep it at 50mgs and its smooth sailing.
Dont forget this stuff had been in the works for years and has when through human testing. I would take this over any of the crazy pro-hormones. I remember mag-10 back in the day giving me awful acting and shutting me down.
Im sure there will be some logs on here soon.
redsamurai
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I won't even give it the remotest of thought until I see something on it's affect on heart tissue.
Drewb
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I like that idea 4 then 4 then 4
What dousing did a run (in ml...) What were your test levels?
truckdaddy
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I ran 75mgs of sarms and 40mgs of var....ran 20mg of nolva after the var for 2 weeks. After the last 4 weeks of sarms I was fine.
Never ran blood work. Couldnt tell you what my test levels are.
To be honest, It was a great cycle, but even var for 4 weeks shuts me down. I just cant handle the shut down at my age. So, im sticking with sarms, I also like HGH
Drewb
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Nice, thanks...
crulexis
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Seems like a lot of people are getting into this whole Sarm thing...
Hope someone just had real current BLOOD TESTS to confirm it can be used as a PCT..
Just because you "feel" fine after doesn't mean you're fine... ask anyone.. just because your sex drive is up.. w/e only a blood test proves that you didn't get shut down.
Hope someone just had real current BLOOD TESTS to confirm it can be used as a PCT..
Just because you "feel" fine after doesn't mean you're fine... ask anyone.. just because your sex drive is up.. w/e only a blood test proves that you didn't get shut down.
truckdaddy
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Dude, there have been alot of good guys on alot of other boards that have been using this.
This did just not pop up over night, google it and see what you come up with.
Drewb
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I just did a few hrs of reading logs I could find. Pretty interesting sounding stuff with some decent/mild gains and not a lot of sides reported other then some (a lot) of people pretty much loosing all there night vision/getting yellow/green tint after about 10-15days on (very bad side IMO) and then it coming back 100% within 5-10 of coming off. If I run it I'll start with 50mg and try for 30 days but stop if/when the night vision starts going becasue it's dark after 5pm now and would be very bad to be driving at night blind. It seems like some people have reported no vision problems with lower amounts but who knows if this is from running less or because of some other reason. Also seems a few have reported that taking some vision support supps have helped some individuals with the vision loss side effect.
Would be interesting to run 15-30 days s4 followed by 30 days of an oral followed by 15 days of s4 and 30 of a solid pct (same time).
I'll do lots more reading before buying/running.
Would be interesting to run 15-30 days s4 followed by 30 days of an oral followed by 15 days of s4 and 30 of a solid pct (same time).
I'll do lots more reading before buying/running.
truckdaddy
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There is plenty on pubmed, first place I looked.
andrew732
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NOTHING on its effect on testosterone, it only states that it does not raise it, but does not show if it lowered it, to me it seems like it could drop test levels above 50mg.
truckdaddy
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Let me see what I can dig up on there.
We may be having one of our female members trying it out here soon at a low dose.
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