Saliva test AFTER results.. DERMACRINE!!

[Primordial Performance]

The E2 test will prove that the level of estrogen has been lowered to signify raised testosterone levels which will lead to recovery. I don't even know what Ulter has to do with this. For all those that used Dermacrine for PCT - post cycle therapy - , weren't they still using HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - and/or Clomid? So what's the use of this high priced supp if people still need to use, allready established, PCT medications?

Lowering E2 shouldn’t be your #1 goal in recovery. Clomid and Nolva both raise E2… and both those drugs work quite well at raising test. You can see E2 results on our site, which slightly increase if test increases. (as it should) Either way, we don’t promote original Derma for PCT anymore as we have developed a more appropriate version (Sustain). The original is still a great androgen and testosterone booster though… and it does a fine job of controlling both E1 and E2 and keeping them in normal range were they should be.

AAP wasn’t using hCG or Clomid, one tester had used hCG before starting Derma, most of them only on the Dermacrine. (we had about 10 different testers on different boards)

Pikaberdot,

It’s the toxicity of these SERMs which should keep people away. I wrote an extensive article on this topic –

http://www.mesomorphosis.com/articles/potratz/pct-protocols.htm

-Pp

 

[needtogetaas]

The E2 test will prove that the level of estrogen has been lowered to signify raised testosterone levels which will lead to recovery. I don't even know what Ulter has to do with this. For all those that used Dermacrine for PCT - post cycle therapy - , weren't they still using HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - and/or Clomid? So what's the use of this high priced supp if people still need to use, allready established, PCT medications?

wrong again as always.......there were only a handful of people using clomid well using derma "and they were told they dont need it"
as for hcg it shouls be use during cycle or after regardless if you using clomid or derma so whats your dame point.

 

[ceo]

17-18 weeks... something like that. I never count the time I am on, I just stay on until I "know" it is time to come off. Then I stay off until I am ready to go back on. Though my off time is quite long, the shortest I stayed off was about 7 months before.

NICE! No PCT and still bounced back??? How long did it take to recover? You're a genetic marvel!

 

[Mrpumped]

wrong again as always.......there were only a handful of people using clomid well using derma "and they were told they dont need it"
as for HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - it shouls be use during cycle or after regardless if you using clomid or derma so whats your dame point.

I'm not wrong. That's why they made a new version. Hopefully now it works better.

 

[needtogetaas]

I'm not wrong. That's why they made a new version. Hopefully now it works better.

go back read the post I you made.that post was "wrong" thank you.

and reg derma worked for a lot of people still works the just made a better one for pct.not one because the other did not work.get it got it good.

 

[MADBALL99]

OK so this teast actually proved nothing signifigant, especially for people trying to revover after a cycle or due to LOW test.



So far I see alot of hype, but no HARD facts or SOLID numbers for people trying to recover from low test. So far this seems like ANOTHER scam. Until we see SOLID numbers, from several people this is just snake oil IMO.

 

[needtogetaas]

OK so this teast actually proved nothing signifigant, especially for people trying to revover after a cycle or due to LOW test.



So far I see alot of hype, but no HARD facts or SOLID numbers for people trying to recover from low test. So far this seems like ANOTHER scam. Until we see SOLID numbers, from several people this is just snake oil IMO.

once again bull crap!!!!!

here is my test results its at the end of dermacrin....

test was very very low and estro was extremely high at the start.after derma test was back to a med normal range and so was estro....

 

[needtogetaas]

and that was after a long cycle of test/deca/dbol

 

[Primordial Performance]

OK so this teast actually proved nothing signifigant, especially for people trying to revover after a cycle or due to LOW test.

So far I see alot of hype, but no HARD facts or SOLID numbers for people trying to recover from low test. So far this seems like ANOTHER scam. Until we see SOLID numbers, from several people this is just snake oil IMO.

We do have some solid test results from Dermacrine with guys who boosted their T about 600%. Still, measuring just T is a poor way of testing the true effectiveness of Dermacrine… since some guys wont have a big increase in T because of their lower conversion capacity. In this case, much of the positive results come from the androstenediol, androstenedione, and DHEA metabolites... all viable beneficial hormones which don’t have a popular standardized testing method.

-Pp