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Saliva test AFTER results.. DERMACRINE!!
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thats a line of bullshit.....this thread is prof derma works.clomid is toxic shit imoMrpumped said:
derma works and hundreds of people on this site have and are using it for pct so please stop with the bullshit.
Mrpumped said:
This is something Ulter tried to use to discredit the saliva tests...
There is no connection between “recovery” and E2 levels. In fact, Im not even sure what you’re implying… That E2 should be low to symbolize recovery? Because that certainly wouldn’t be true.
E1 is just as biologically important as E2 and E1/E2 follow the ratio of androstenedione/testosterone in the body. The only reason we tested E1 was to estimate the amount of androstenedione conversion he was getting, since the saliva tests cannot test for androstenedione.
-Pp
Hey Pp, earlier in the thread you said that the rather significant amounts of DHEA in the OP's body, "has to convert into something" and then named a few of the hormones DHEA is converted into.
Why is this true? Is it possible for DHEA to be broken down or otherwise converted into inactive metabolites rather than the beneficial hormones you listed, at any rate?
FYI- I am currently using Dermacrine, almost 2 weeks out now from the end of my last cycle. I feel great- libido is more than intact, have kept all my strength gains and even added a bit, and have more energy even though I've cut back on caffeine intake drastically. My wife uses one lotion pump a day and wants to fuck all the time so that's a bonus too.
Why is this true? Is it possible for DHEA to be broken down or otherwise converted into inactive metabolites rather than the beneficial hormones you listed, at any rate?
FYI- I am currently using Dermacrine, almost 2 weeks out now from the end of my last cycle. I feel great- libido is more than intact, have kept all my strength gains and even added a bit, and have more energy even though I've cut back on caffeine intake drastically. My wife uses one lotion pump a day and wants to fuck all the time so that's a bonus too.
AAP said:Ok, considering that I already had high test levels before using it I can see why I didn't get a huge increase like that sissy needto who has the test levels of a girl scout.LOL
But I have always recovered fast. I have never done any PCT - post cycle therapy - of any kind. My last cycle was 1 gram test weekly, 800mg Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - weekly and 3ius of gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - daily and I didn't do any PCT and still came back with high levels of test.
Just the fact that it did do something shows what I said all along when I said that I "felt" it working. Someone with lower test levels would certainly get a better response than I did.
How long did you run that cycle?
orat said:
That is great news bro!
To answer your question, yes some DHEA can become sulfated and excreted by the urine, but most of it is converted to other active metabolites, which are not converted to inactive metabolites untill way further down the line... which then convert to chalones, phermones and all kinds of cool stuff.
If there was a more standard method of measuring the fat burning metabolites 7alpha, 7keto, 7beta DHEA… and the anabolic androstenedione, androstenediol, androstenetriol you would see them go way above baseline, no doubt. So even if you don’t see testosterone go up, your will still be a more anabolic/fat burning state because of the other metabolites.
You can see all of these hormones and pathways on the hormone tree here –
http://www.primordialperformance.com/hormone_tree.cfm
-Pp
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I loved that part of your site!
Primordial Performance said:
The E2 test will prove that the level of estrogen has been lowered to signify raised testosterone levels which will lead to recovery. I don't even know what Ulter has to do with this. For all those that used Dermacrine for PCT, weren't they still using HCG and/or Clomid? So what's the use of this high priced supp if people still need to use, allready established, PCT medications?
I'd still rather go with a product developed by a pharmaceutical company over an OTC supplement. Especially since I know for a fact that Clomid works for me. If it works, why would I change it?
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