Running Test with SARMS

[Raveesor]

Hey all, long time workout peer with a few questions.

Im 32, 5'10" 182lbs
about 15% BF, generally well fit and have done 4 cycles over 3 years in mid 20s consisting of sust with eq, dbol deca and winny, winny eq and clen, test e and eq. Used Adex and Nolv in the past with Clomid as PCT (usual for 7-8 years ago)
I am setting up a cycle and want some input as the AI, PCT, ancillary game has changed in the last 7 years.

Goals: Gain 10lbs lean muscle and lose 3-4% BF

Workout regimen:
Mon- Chest with 30 min cardio 65% HR, Core
Tues- Back with 30 min cardio 65% HR
Wed- Legs, Core
Thurs- Shoulders with 30 min cardio 65% HR
Fri- BIs/TRIs, Core with 30 min cardio 65% HR
Sat- 1 hour cardio 65% HR
Sun- 1 hour cardio 65% HR

Diet: Generally whole foods, protein drinks and bars, no cheat days but random cheat meals

Cycle:
Test Cyp 600mg/wk WK 1-12
Anavar 60mg/ED WK 4-12
HGH 4IU M-F WK 1-52 or Longer
Aromasin 12.5 EOD WK 2-12
GW501516 10mg/ED WK 4-12
Ostarine 25mg/ED WK 4-12
AICAR 50mg/ED WK 4-12
S4 75mg/ED WK 4-12
Albuterol 6mg AM/PM WK 8-12
Keto 1mg/ED WK 10,11
HCGenerate 5caps/ED WK 6-17
Forma 5pump A/P WK 6-17


PCT:
HCGenerate as above
Forma as above
Clomid WK 14-17 25/12.5/12.5/12.5
Unleashed Wk 14-17
Post Cycle Wk 14-17

I also Have Letro on Hand
Also may add Primo 600/wk for 4-12 if I can get hands on some

Now I have all of the above and have read some synergistic effects from each but am not sure if exogenous Test will also be synergistic or if should amend this cycle in some way. I figured the SARMS I chose would help with some cutting towards the end of my cycle. Any and all critiques are welcome, we all learn from asking questions and replies. Thank you in advance.

 

[John McLane]

Hey all, long time workout peer with a few questions.

Im 32, 5'10" 182lbs
about 15% BF, generally well fit and have done 4 cycles over 3 years in mid 20s consisting of sust with eq, dbol deca and winny, winny eq and clen, test e and eq. Used Adex and Nolv in the past with Clomid as PCT (usual for 7-8 years ago)
I am setting up a cycle and want some input as the AI, PCT, ancillary game has changed in the last 7 years.

Goals: Gain 10lbs lean muscle and lose 3-4% BF

Workout regimen:
Mon- Chest with 30 min cardio 65% HR, Core
Tues- Back with 30 min cardio 65% HR
Wed- Legs, Core
Thurs- Shoulders with 30 min cardio 65% HR
Fri- BIs/TRIs, Core with 30 min cardio 65% HR
Sat- 1 hour cardio 65% HR
Sun- 1 hour cardio 65% HR

Diet: Generally whole foods, protein drinks and bars, no cheat days but random cheat meals

Cycle:
Test Cyp 600mg/wk WK 1-12
Anavar 60mg/ED WK 4-12
HGH 4IU M-F WK 1-52 or Longer
Aromasin 12.5 EOD WK 2-12
GW501516 10mg/ED WK 4-12
Ostarine 25mg/ED WK 4-12
AICAR 50mg/ED WK 4-12
S4 75mg/ED WK 4-12
Albuterol 6mg AM/PM WK 8-12
Keto 1mg/ED WK 10,11
HCGenerate 5caps/ED WK 6-17
Forma 5pump A/P WK 6-17


PCT:
HCGenerate as above
Forma as above
Clomid WK 14-17 25/12.5/12.5/12.5
Unleashed Wk 14-17
Post Cycle Wk 14-17

I also Have Letro on Hand
Also may add Primo 600/wk for 4-12 if I can get hands on some

Now I have all of the above and have read some synergistic effects from each but am not sure if exogenous Test will also be synergistic or if should amend this cycle in some way. I figured the SARMS I chose would help with some cutting towards the end of my cycle. Any and all critiques are welcome, we all learn from asking questions and replies. Thank you in advance.

Can you not lose some b/f naturally first? If your 5' 10" and 182lbs you should be able to gain more weight naturally IMO.

 

[Raveesor]

@john mclane
I have lifted with protein, creatine, OTC supplements and a clean diet for 4-5 years and even increasing calories i have not been able to gain without additional adipose. I hear what you are saying, and if I had a "9-5" I might be able to, but I have 3 months I can train hard before I go 'abroad', I would love to build a strong base so that I can maintain with a regimen over the next year. Thanks for the reply.

 

[dylangemelli]

Hey all, long time workout peer with a few questions.

Im 32, 5'10" 182lbs
about 15% BF, generally well fit and have done 4 cycles over 3 years in mid 20s consisting of sust with eq, dbol deca and winny, winny eq and clen, test e and eq. Used Adex and Nolv in the past with Clomid as PCT (usual for 7-8 years ago)
I am setting up a cycle and want some input as the AI, PCT, ancillary game has changed in the last 7 years.

Goals: Gain 10lbs lean muscle and lose 3-4% BF

Workout regimen:
Mon- Chest with 30 min cardio 65% HR, Core
Tues- Back with 30 min cardio 65% HR
Wed- Legs, Core
Thurs- Shoulders with 30 min cardio 65% HR
Fri- BIs/TRIs, Core with 30 min cardio 65% HR
Sat- 1 hour cardio 65% HR
Sun- 1 hour cardio 65% HR

Diet: Generally whole foods, protein drinks and bars, no cheat days but random cheat meals

Cycle:
Test Cyp 600mg/wk WK 1-12
Anavar 60mg/ED WK 4-12
HGH 4IU M-F WK 1-52 or Longer
Aromasin 12.5 EOD WK 2-12
GW501516 10mg/ED WK 4-12
Ostarine 25mg/ED WK 4-12
AICAR 50mg/ED WK 4-12
S4 75mg/ED WK 4-12
Albuterol 6mg AM/PM WK 8-12
Keto 1mg/ED WK 10,11
HCGenerate 5caps/ED WK 6-17
Forma 5pump A/P WK 6-17


PCT:
HCGenerate as above
Forma as above
Clomid WK 14-17 25/12.5/12.5/12.5
Unleashed Wk 14-17
Post Cycle Wk 14-17

I also Have Letro on Hand
Also may add Primo 600/wk for 4-12 if I can get hands on some

Now I have all of the above and have read some synergistic effects from each but am not sure if exogenous Test will also be synergistic or if should amend this cycle in some way. I figured the SARMS I chose would help with some cutting towards the end of my cycle. Any and all critiques are welcome, we all learn from asking questions and replies. Thank you in advance.

have you run SARMS before??

 

[training700]

I think should just run the sarms as a bridge if can with your situation.

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[Raveesor]

@dylan
Have not run SARMs before. Have researched for the last 2 weeks, but have not found anything specific if it would be synergistic with exogenous compounds or would be wasteful. With everything that I have, is there a better setup to run? Thanks for the input guys.

 

[dylangemelli]

@dylan
Have not run SARMs before. Have researched for the last 2 weeks, but have not found anything specific if it would be synergistic with exogenous compounds or would be wasteful. With everything that I have, is there a better setup to run? Thanks for the input guys.

the very first thing i notice that jumps right out at me is that your wanting to start s4 at 75mg... i'd give you a week tops before you get vision sides starting at that dosage with no prior experience and then you will have already set yourself back... as a first time user you should never start off with more than 50 mg...

for me, i would run sarms as a bridge in between your cycles... that is where they are most optimal... for a cutting test run i would recommend a tbol kickstart with anavar or winstrol on the back end... then once you complete pct, run the sarms stack... you can run sarms with a test cycle and have great results, but why not utilize them as a bridge instead?

 

[Raveesor]

the very first thing i notice that jumps right out at me is that your wanting to start s4 at 75mg... i'd give you a week tops before you get vision sides starting at that dosage with no prior experience and then you will have already set yourself back... as a first time user you should never start off with more than 50 mg...

for me, i would run sarms as a bridge in between your cycles... that is where they are most optimal... for a cutting test run i would recommend a tbol kickstart with anavar or winstrol on the back end... then once you complete pct, run the sarms stack... you can run sarms with a test cycle and have great results, but why not utilize them as a bridge instead?

I appreciate the input, I will try to get tbol to add to the beginning and take out the SARMs and use them as a bridge or separate SARMS only cycle like you had in another post. Also definitely reduce the dosage of S4 as you said.

 

[dylangemelli]

I appreciate the input, I will try to get tbol to add to the beginning and take out the SARMs and use them as a bridge or separate SARMS only cycle like you had in another post. Also definitely reduce the dosage of S4 as you said.

let me know if you get tbol and i will lay you out the cycle...

 

[Raveesor]

Would helladrol be a sufficient replacement for the tbol? having a bit of trouble getting tbol.

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[Raveesor]

let me know if you get tbol and i will lay you out the cycle...

I just ordered helladrol/katana/n2guard/forged liver as well. Given everything, what kind of cycle would be best?

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[dylangemelli]

I just ordered helladrol/katana/n2guard/forged liver as well. Given everything, what kind of cycle would be best?

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bro, your all over the place... do you want to run a ph cycle or an aas cycle? your throwing too much different shit out there...

 

[Raveesor]

bro, your all over the place... do you want to run a ph cycle or an aas cycle? your throwing too much different shit out there...

Yeah I understand. Just letting you know what I have on hand. I want to do aas cycle, but then use the rest to their best effect. Basically how to effectively transition from aas to a pct then sarms or ph, or a better setup. I'm here to try to learn, there is great info here, a lot from you, and generally read the forums for 2-3 hours per day. I genuinely appreciate your input..

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[dylangemelli]

Yeah I understand. Just letting you know what I have on hand. I want to do aas cycle, but then use the rest to their best effect. Basically how to effectively transition from aas to a pct then sarms or ph, or a better setup. I'm here to try to learn, there is great info here, a lot from you, and generally read the forums for 2-3 hours per day. I genuinely appreciate your input..

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if your going to run an aas cycle then you cannot bridge with a ph... that's like never coming off... so you need to decide if you want to run the hella and katana stack first then sarms then an aas stack or in the other order...

 

[Raveesor]

if your going to run an aas cycle then you cannot bridge with a ph... that's like never coming off... so you need to decide if you want to run the hella and katana stack first then sarms then an aas stack or in the other order...

I think the other order would be best as I already have all that on hand, and have run aas before, also can read up more on current research during the cycle.

 

[dylangemelli]

I think the other order would be best as I already have all that on hand, and have run aas before, also can read up more on current research during the cycle.

1-12 test cyp 500 mg/wk
1-12 aromasin 12.5 mg eod
1-6 tbol 60 mg day
1-4 n2guard
9-14 anavar 60 mg day first 4 weeks then 80 mg last 2 weeks
9-14 proviron 50 mg day first 4 weeks then 75 last 2 weeks
7-14 hcg 500 iu's wk or hcgenerate

pct
15-18 clomid 25/12.5/12.5/12.5
15-18 unleashed/post cycle combo
15-18 forma stanzol
15-18 ostarine 25 mg day

also run need2slin and creatine nitrate throughout the cycle...

 

[Raveesor]

1-12 test cyp 500 mg/wk
1-12 aromasin 12.5 mg eod
1-6 tbol 60 mg day
1-4 n2guard
9-14 anavar 60 mg day first 4 weeks then 80 mg last 2 weeks
9-14 proviron 50 mg day first 4 weeks then 75 last 2 weeks
7-14 hcg 500 iu's wk or hcgenerate

pct
15-18 clomid 25/12.5/12.5/12.5
15-18 unleashed/post cycle combo
15-18 forma stanzol
15-18 ostarine 25 mg day

also run need2slin and creatine nitrate throughout the cycle...

Awesome! I'm stoked, appreciate it so much. I will definitely post some before and after results.

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