Rottenwillow, I have a meth question for you, well maybe more than just one

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thats fuckin crazy rob.

 

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[RottenWillow]

I personally used it as sexual enhancement during a 3 day sexathon.

It tastes chemically if it drips down your sinus into your mouth. You don't swallow it. You either snort it or vaporize it, then smoke it. It burns quite a bit if you snort it.

I lost a lot of weight temporarily mainly through dehydration. I would have zero appetite and nearly no urge to consume fluids.

It sent my sex drive through the roof. The sensations were so much more intense it is difficult to describe. When I finally blew my load, the sensation was otherwordly intense. I fucked and jerked off so much that after a 3 day bender my penis was red. For the next few days the outer layer of skin sloughed off from all of the friction.

I felt completely frightened at the end of the three day bender when I started considering how little I ate and drank and slept. The crash was horrible. I spent a week depressed, anxious and completely social phobic. I wouldn't answer my phone even. It didn't matter how well I tried to reason away the depression, anxiety, and phobia. I got an almost uncontrollable urge to get drunk every day for three days to deal with the anxiety. I would advise against doing it unless you are prepared to deal with the week long crash.

I guess it can have that effect if you're not yet addicted and otherwise healthy. However, you don't remain unaddicted and healthy for very long at all if you keep using.

Everyone who uses even semi-regularly becomes addicted. Everyone. The hot looking party people you've used with are just still at that stage where they are functional and still attractive.

 

[Jacob Creutzfeldt]

I guess it can have that effect if you're not yet addicted and otherwise healthy. However, you don't remain unaddicted and healthy for very long at all if you keep using.

Everyone who uses even semi-regularly becomes addicted. Everyone. The hot looking party people you've used with are just still at that stage where they are functional and still attractive.

If you define addiction as purely physical, you are wrong on this issue. I used it on a bi-weekly to monthly basis for five years and just quit when I began logically analyzing the cost to my life outside of the party scene. A friend who started with me and had a similar use pattern continued on when I quit and doesn't have an issue with physical addiction.

If you define addiction as also having a psychological component, then adopting a repeating usage pattern is addiction. It is also entirely possible to become unaddicted. Until recently I would still be in the same environment with my using friend and not use while he uses.

Of course nobody gets away with doing meth without incurring some kind of physical damage. Everything in life damages you physically even eating, breathing, and exercise. Damage in all things is a question of degrees, not absolutes.

 

[RottenWillow]

If you define addiction as purely physical, you are wrong on this issue. I used it on a bi-weekly to monthly basis for five years and just quit when I began logically analyzing the cost to my life outside of the party scene. A friend who started with me and had a similar use pattern continued on when I quit and doesn't have an issue with physical addiction.

If you define addiction as also having a psychological component, then adopting a repeating usage pattern is addiction. It is also entirely possible to become unaddicted. Until recently I would still be in the same environment with my using friend and not use while he uses.

Of course nobody gets away with doing meth without incurring some kind of physical damage. Everything in life damages you physically even eating, breathing, and exercise. Damage in all things is a question of degrees, not absolutes.

Eloquent narratives about drug use from past/present users nearly almost suggest rationalizations of their addictive behavior.

There's no point in challenging some of the statements you made, b/c from your tone I don't think there'd be any point. I've been in NA now for 7+ years and about 70% of our meth addicts have relapsed. Our averages are pretty much consistent with national ones over that period. If you've stopped, good, but your views put you at greater risk than most of relapsing.

 

[Jacob Creutzfeldt]

Eloquent narratives about drug use from past/present users nearly almost suggest rationalizations of their addictive behavior.

There's no point in challenging some of the statements you made, b/c from your tone I don't think there'd be any point. I've been in NA now for 7+ years and about 70% of our meth addicts have relapsed. Our averages are pretty much consistent with national ones over that period. If you've stopped, good, but your views put you at greater risk than most of relapsing.

If you can show where I rationalize my addictive behavior I will recant everything I stated otherwise you are just committing the logical error of hasty generalizations to rationalize your mistaken presumptions. You also contradict yourself. You claim there is no point in challenging what I say, then you go on to challenge what I say. Even in your rebuttal, you admit the frivolity of your program. Your recovery percentages are the same as the national average which would mean that people not in your program do just as well as people in your program. It's interesting that you even imply a 70% rate of failure somehow resembles success when it doesn't even resemble improvement compared to the national average. Perhaps that type of thinking is what supported your addiction.

My point of view keeps me from using meth again. I try to place logic and reason as my absolutes in life now and in that pursuit my ability to delude myself has faded. I think people who preach the impotence of reason and will are more dangerous to the recovery of addicts.

 

[Jacob Creutzfeldt]

So are the producers of this piece of hype telling me that if I do meth I might score with a hot chick like the one taking a shower? Why is there so much resistance to truthful representations of what meth is like and even-handed discussions of the topic? Why does everybody's life have to wind up going down the shit can with one puff or bump? What hope for escape does that give some poor sap that gets into the meth scene?

 

[glennds]

Eloquent narratives about drug use from past/present users nearly almost suggest rationalizations of their addictive behavior.

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no kidding huh.