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dallasboy
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It's actually 51% pay no federal taxes. And 50% are on some sort of guberment assistance (playoffs for votes) NOT including SS or Medicare.
Now, what kind of liberal socialists society have we become?? This has been the dems plan since Woodrow Wilsion and they have finally done it.
Now, what kind of liberal socialists society have we become?? This has been the dems plan since Woodrow Wilsion and they have finally done it.
Actually, what he said was even shittier: Romney derides Obama supporters in hidden camera speech - southbendtribune.com
Y'know how I take that? That the 47% of the voters who support Obama take no responsibility for their own lives. I'm not a 1%er and yeah, I'd like a few decent breaks and we do live paycheck to paycheck, but we're also never late on a bill, pay our taxes, donate time to our community, blah, blah, blah.
The man's elitism is not attractive and the Latino comment smacks of bigotry and is more than a little patronizing to boot.
Y'know how I take that? That the 47% of the voters who support Obama take no responsibility for their own lives. I'm not a 1%er and yeah, I'd like a few decent breaks and we do live paycheck to paycheck, but we're also never late on a bill, pay our taxes, donate time to our community, blah, blah, blah.
The man's elitism is not attractive and the Latino comment smacks of bigotry and is more than a little patronizing to boot.
well possibly I suppose. I was born in Mexico to Mexican parents and I can't say I found that line offensive at all. There's some cynicism in that statement, and I guess maybe some bigotry, but most of us endorse some racial/cultural/ethnic prejudices.
youpissmeoff
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Man landed on the moon.
Headholio
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To summarize what musclemom posted for those who don't like to read:
Those people who make too little to pay federal income tax, do pay
-PAY ROLL
- State income tax
- Federal social security
- Federal Medicare tax
- Property Tax
- Sales tax
- State licensing and registration fees
- etc
So the talking point that "half the people don't pay taxes", is bullshit.
And while Republicans want to whine about poor people, democrats are trying to find ways to improve the opportunities for the less fortunate, so they will have sufficient income to be taxable at the federal level. Win win.
And about half the people not paying federal income tax are Republicans who are going to vote for Romney, because, I guess they enjoy the disrespect.
Now, think about how the percentage mentioned above is related to the vast amount of wealth that has shifted to the very few super wealthy in this country. Think.
Money shifts to the hands of the super rich, and more and more people fall into poverty and below the taxable level. Totally predictable. Which works in republicans favor, because then they complain about the "freeloaders", and fuck them even more.
Lower taxes for the rich, and take away programs to help regular people. The inevitable result of republican economics should becoming clear to you by now.
Those people who make too little to pay federal income tax, do pay
-PAY ROLL
- State income tax
- Federal social security
- Federal Medicare tax
- Property Tax
- Sales tax
- State licensing and registration fees
- etc
So the talking point that "half the people don't pay taxes", is bullshit.
And while Republicans want to whine about poor people, democrats are trying to find ways to improve the opportunities for the less fortunate, so they will have sufficient income to be taxable at the federal level. Win win.
And about half the people not paying federal income tax are Republicans who are going to vote for Romney, because, I guess they enjoy the disrespect.
Now, think about how the percentage mentioned above is related to the vast amount of wealth that has shifted to the very few super wealthy in this country. Think.
Money shifts to the hands of the super rich, and more and more people fall into poverty and below the taxable level. Totally predictable. Which works in republicans favor, because then they complain about the "freeloaders", and fuck them even more.
Lower taxes for the rich, and take away programs to help regular people. The inevitable result of republican economics should becoming clear to you by now.
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So, "opportunities" for the less fortunate really means government "programs" to help them? Ah. Help them what? Depend on the government to take care of yet another need rather than helping empower the individual(s) to meet their own needs and get off of government assistance hopefully altogether?
Out of curiosity, what are those programs and which ones will the repubs take away?
redsamurai
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stick a fork in him he's done. Fuck that guy for making me vote for Obama. That's not a gaffe kiddies. If this is verified, and it looks like it is....there's gonna be alot of prominent republicans that are going to light him up for those statements. Obviously no one from Fox...i said "prominent". And he talks about class warfare? omg....they hypocrisy here is too much. Sorry Gary Johnson, maybe next election. 
Forgot a Tax that people payinto. It's up top.To summarize what musclemom posted for those who don't like to read:
Those people who make too little to pay federal income tax, do pay
-PAY ROLL
- State income tax
- Federal social security
- Federal Medicare tax
- Property Tax
- Sales tax
- State licensing and registration fees
- etc
So the talking point that "half the people don't pay taxes", is bullshit.
And while Republicans want to whine about poor people, democrats are trying to find ways to improve the opportunities for the less fortunate, so they will have sufficient income to be taxable at the federal level. Win win.
And about half the people not paying federal income tax are Republicans who are going to vote for Romney, because, I guess they enjoy the disrespect.
Now, think about how the percentage mentioned above is related to the vast amount of wealth that has shifted to the very few super wealthy in this country. Think.
Money shifts to the hands of the super rich, and more and more people fall into poverty and below the taxable level. Totally predictable. Which works in republicans favor, because then they complain about the "freeloaders", and fuck them even more.
Lower taxes for the rich, and take away programs to help regular people. The inevitable result of republican economics should becoming clear to you by now.
The top 1% owns more Cash than the bottom 150,000,000 Americans.
7000 millionaires didn't pay a cent in taxes also.
20 Corporations paid no Federal taxes.
I guess those people aren't in Rawmoney's statement.
He's just talking about the other folks.
This is the design.
BTW Rawmoney statement .... "The middle class makes $200,000 to 250,000 a year."
??? OMG this guy is lost in the sauce. That is out of touch with reality.
Supposedly there's another Video coming out tomorrow also
LOL, just found this
LOL, the people not paying taxes are in the Republican run states.
LOL, the people not paying taxes are in the Republican run states.
training700
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That's awesome.
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you wrote the algorithm? google will give me your opinions?
I was not aware of that. You must be a god damn genius, Gump!
chewyxrage
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Agree with everything he said but wtf dude, you can NOT say that shit out loud.
You'll get all these hippy bitches and others up in arms. You aren't talking to a boardroom of investors, you are talking to the public, at all times.
He also threw out a "you wanna bet $10,000 on that?" during a debate! C'mon! Where's his handlers!?!?!
You'll get all these hippy bitches and others up in arms. You aren't talking to a boardroom of investors, you are talking to the public, at all times.
He also threw out a "you wanna bet $10,000 on that?" during a debate! C'mon! Where's his handlers!?!?!
chewyxrage
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Gotta call you out on that one, homie. He said $200-$250,000 and BELOW would be what he considered middle class. Obama said $250,000, so there is no point to argue that at all.
Basically, over $250K is rich, they both agree on that. Done topic.
chewyxrage
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To summarize what musclemom posted for those who don't like to read:
Those people who make too little to pay federal income tax, do pay
-PAY ROLL
- State income tax
- Federal social security
- Federal Medicare tax
- Property Tax
- Sales tax
- State licensing and registration fees
- etc
So the talking point that "half the people don't pay taxes", is bullshit.
And while Republicans want to whine about poor people, democrats are trying to find ways to improve the opportunities for the less fortunate, so they will have sufficient income to be taxable at the federal level. Win win.
And about half the people not paying federal income tax are Republicans who are going to vote for Romney, because, I guess they enjoy the disrespect.
Now, think about how the percentage mentioned above is related to the vast amount of wealth that has shifted to the very few super wealthy in this country. Think.
Money shifts to the hands of the super rich, and more and more people fall into poverty and below the taxable level. Totally predictable. Which works in republicans favor, because then they complain about the "freeloaders", and fuck them even more.
Lower taxes for the rich, and take away programs to help regular people. The inevitable result of republican economics should becoming clear to you by now.
Almost every tax you mentioned there gets paid back to people who are below a certain income level, via credits when (IF) they file their taxes.
I'm not one to support the elite white America and fuck everyone else, but at some point, shit just gets ridiculous...You do realize that half of the taxes you just mentioned are paid for by the EMPLOYER. The business owner.
javaguru
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According to the IRS, it's been true for years.
Those evil rich working class in Manhattan that are teachers and firefighters need to be crushed while Senator Chuck Schumer(D) fights against Barry's war on the Manhattan middle class heroes working in teaching, police and firefighting. The Fed income tax is regressive to anyone that lives in a high income area or those not politically connected.
javaguru
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Indeed, we need to inflate the cost of employment in the private sector to the cost of employment in the public sector...from roughly $23.00 an hour to over $40.00 an hour; That's how you create wealth. Anyone that can't provide over $40.00 of value will be unemployed...which increases the welfare tax and we have an infinite regression to Soviet style socialism.
Wrong on so many levels. The 47% doesn't reflect who pays payroll taxes. 30 of those 47% DO have jobs and do payroll taxes. They just make so little they get all their income tax back. They are not sitting at home expecting government to do anything for them.
The focus should not be on whether they pay taxes, but why they make so little that they don't pay taxes. Fix one, you fix the other.
Romney is conceding that 47% needlessly. Many of the ones actually working don't want handouts.
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Huh? What world do you live in? My son is a full time civilian contractor and considers himself well paid, he makes $16.00/hr. (BTW, NOT working in the field he went to college for). What makes it "well paying" is he averages 20 hrs. of overtime every pay cycle. If he has a month or two without OT he starts running into problems. At least he has benefits, thank god.
Now my stepdaughter, the job she just got most recently, which is full time, her starting salary was $8.50/hr. (increased to $8.64 after six months, wooo hooo). She gets no benefits of any sort including no paid time off and there is no such thing as an opportunity for O/T. If it wasn't for Obama's healthcare she wouldn't have health insurance and I couldn't GET her on state medical assistance even when she was unemployed, the $170 a month she was collecting in unemployment made her overqualified.
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damn Romney just insulted himself and is part of the 47%. he didn't pay taxes for 10 years.
of course he refuses to prove otherwise, he won't release his tax returns.
and he insulted his wife Anne, who never worked a day in her life.
you see how easy it is to use his comments against him? Obama isn't even trying and he is gonna win in a landslide. I don't think Obama has run a great campaign at all. but Romney is making this too easy.. thats why oddsmakers have Obama as almost a 5 to 1 favorite to win.
of course he refuses to prove otherwise, he won't release his tax returns.
and he insulted his wife Anne, who never worked a day in her life.
you see how easy it is to use his comments against him? Obama isn't even trying and he is gonna win in a landslide. I don't think Obama has run a great campaign at all. but Romney is making this too easy.. thats why oddsmakers have Obama as almost a 5 to 1 favorite to win.
Things Romney (and a few members here) either forgot or were ignorant of in the first place:
1) Many of the 47% who dont pay federal income taxes are senior citizens who have retired. Methinks Romney wants their votes.
2) The Geography of Government Benefits - Interactive Map - NYTimes.com Click on "Income Support" and "Medicaid." Seems like the GOP is dogging it's own constituency?
1) Many of the 47% who dont pay federal income taxes are senior citizens who have retired. Methinks Romney wants their votes.
2) The Geography of Government Benefits - Interactive Map - NYTimes.com Click on "Income Support" and "Medicaid." Seems like the GOP is dogging it's own constituency?
Eh the media is still pushing this "omg its so close!" angle. Nate Silver is really the only prognosticator one needs to pay attention to, and as of yesterday he gives Obama a 79% shot at winning.
Headholio
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^ Worth reading again.
Headholio
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You can agree with it, but it makes you just as stupid as he is because its wrong.
Republicans want to paint half the country as free loading bums. But the median income is 50k/yr. A lot of people are getting bigger tax refunds than they used to due to tax breaks and cuts as part of the stimulus. Tax breaks....that's a republican thing right?
So the people that Romney describes as unproductive, feeling entitled, and victims, are working 2 jobs, teachers, mechanics, the people working retail stores, factorys, government offices, schools, etc. Regular people trying to make it in a tough economy.
I respect those people. I feel for those people. Romney obviously disrespects them. And the people he is talking about, well, that very likely could be you.
Headholio
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Of course the characterizations about Romney being a rich snob, out of touch with reality and the struggles of real people, a guy who looks down on regular folks, that was all just politics being played by the democrats right?
Romney is doing a better job than the dems of painting that picture.
Romney is doing a better job than the dems of painting that picture.
Headholio
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You want me to tell you what programs Republicons want to defund?
There is only so much spoon feeding I can do.
But seriously, even Republicans have to be honest and start from a point of reality.
Do Republicans want to defund government programs?
Yes.
Will that hurt middle and lower income people.
Yes.
I thought republicans took pride in that. Like Herman Cain likes to say:
"If your not rich, blame yourself."
I'm not kidding about google.
If you want to know more, read about:
-Who gets hurt if healthcare is defunded.
-What happens to seniors with Ryans medicare plan
-What happens to women if Repubs defund Planned Parenthood including STD testing, birth control pills, abortion, cancer screenings etc.
-What happens to college age kids when repubs defund student loan and grant programs..
-What happens to younger kids when repubs defund public schooling.
The list goes on.
The funny thing is, after they destroy America as we know it, the debt will be higher. All the money will be at the top, but they won't tax that money, and government spending on our biggest socialist program, the military, will go up.
That's the priority. You are a republican so don't ask me to explain it to you, be proud of it.
Headholio
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Wrong. Every tax I listed is paid by the individual. Employers also pay into FICA,
but thats on top of the individual tax.
And your assertion that people get all that money back is wrong. The people who don't pay Fed income tax still pay plenty of tax. That's my point.
I thought Republicans loved tax breaks but here you all are whining about them. Maybe you are only in favor of tax breaks for people who don't need them?
digimon7068
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it was approximately 45% in 2011...and there were a lot of rich people included in that number...here's how it worked...the maximum capital gain tax rate is 15%...however, for 2010 and 2011, if you were in the 15% bracket for regular/ordinary income tax, then the maximum capital gain tax rate dropped to 0%...rich people have lots of investments and qualifying dividends are also taxed at the capital gain tax rate...soooooo, rich people, for the last two years orchestrated their lives in such a fashion that they had little or no regular/ordinary income, so that all of their dividends and capital gains were taxed at 0%...thus, that statistic is more than just a little bit deceiving...and, for the record, i am a conservative (i.e., by imparting this information to you, i'm throwing my own peeps under the bus).
digimon7068
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oh and, the irs could easily go back and fix that situation by examining those people that took advantage of the situation and forcing them to recognize reasonable compensation for their efforts in their businesses, thus pushing them out of the 15% bracket for regular/ordinary income and, if they don't do just that??? then the democrats are just as dirty as the republicans when it comes to protecting and favoring the rich...period.
Headholio
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Digi, you are being way too reasonable for a republican. Your suggestion is great, but repubs would just call it raising taxes and its automatically dead in the water regardless of how much sense it makes. And until the filibuster rules get changed, no one will pass shit on either side.
digimon7068
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here's some food for thought...the law that allowed that to take place was from the bush administration...no surprise...yet...however, that law was scheduled to sunset (i.e., go away) on december 31, 2010...and it would have...if it had not been extended by the obama administration...which it was...moral of the story?? they're all dirty, dude...your guy likes rich people just as much as my guy.
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Looks like Romney shot himself in the foot on this one. Its going to be hard to recover from this for him with 49ish days left.
Hey now, I've been on government assistance, but I certainly don't want to live in it. I had no job, no way to pay for food for my kids. I got food stamps for 3 months and took advantage of the job training programs to get my nurse aid certification. I work 5 days a week (12 hour shifts) and I'm still paycheck to paycheck, but I'm scraping by. I could work just my 40 hours a week and continue to collect food stamps, but I dont. My friend's mom works for the Denver housing authority. I got offered section 8 (government paid housing) I turned it down.
I know there are people who would rather have handouts, but I've met many women in my situation who choose to work hard. I work with several of them.
digimon7068
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if you're referring to me? you're reading too much into my comments...i'm not supporting either guy...and i frequently vote across party lines...parties mean nothing to me...i'm fairly conservative by nature and by profession...does that effect the way i vote? wtf? of course it does...shit...it effects the way i put my fucking pants on in the morning...it effects how many times i look each way before i pull out of my fucking driveway...it effects everything in my life...does it make me stupid and unable to think for myself, such that i need a party to follow and tell me what to do? nope...i ain't no frat boy.
I agree. But if Romney gets into office it will have a direct impact on my life because I depend on the education grants. Obama almost doubled them. Also, my oldest son works very hard in school. He wants to go to college and I won't be able to pay for at least the first two years. He will need the financial aid available.
Not to mention that Romney can suck my ass with those comments he made. Obama gets my vote.
Ya this is fucked up... You're right about that, but it is true. In fact the wealthiest 10% pay over 75% of all taxes. This is why the two sides fight over this shit. The wealthy do a lot more for you than you think. Everyone thinks the wealthy are all just crooks and got that way by screwing other people. They fund our whole country pretty much. Oh! I forgot to ask, how many illegal immigrants are here thy aret paying taxes and are also getting tax paid school and medical care for free? Oh ya, I think it's over 3 million people that are not payin taxes and that doesn't include a single American citizen. Add that up.
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Yes!^^^
I hate to say it but those grants and a lot of other spending is why we are going so far into debt with Obama. That money everyone is getting from grants, etc. is tax money and we're jus giving it away. My son's mom is on a grant too so don't think I'm attacking you. It's just that we've gotten ourselves in too deep and Obama is trying to even UP spending after all this. "I sometimes forget the magnitude of this recession" - pres. Barrack Obama.
machine23
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I wasn't attacking you by any means or anyone specifically to be honest
I do see the debt rising and it is concerning. But there has to be ways to cut from some areas without cutting the legs off the people who hope to someday not be a drag on the government and the services it provides.
Didn't Clinton Balance the budget?
Yes. I agree. I'll admit I got on unemployment assistance with my ex wife after I discharged from the army and I didt have to do a damn thing. There was no accountability of job searching. I lied every week. But to my credit I was only on a few months. When welfare first started it was accountable, or in other words it was work. You had to be working on the next job to be getting your benefits. Obama has made it so you don't have to do anything at all. I'm not defending Romney per-say... As he may be just as bad after we get to know him better. I'm just saying even Obama said when he won the office that if he doesn't succeed in bringing the economy back in 4 years then he should be a one term president. :/ His own words.
For the record, I think we as Americans will hate every president that gets into office once there is a problem we can blame on them. Their job is to take the blame. I'd hate to be POTUS.
digimon7068
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i didn't think you were...i just took the opportunity to spew some more of my conservative rhetoric...shhhhhh, don't tell anyone...tee hee.
digimon7068
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the funny thing is? the 45% that i was referring too is just counting those that actually FILED a tax return...it doesn't count those that aren't required to file (like in the story referred to above ^^^^) because their income was too low.
So you are voting for the person
that you think will continue to give you grants and other gov help....so I guess Mitt is correct. It is possible to go college without a grant, its called student loans and yes you have to pay it back just like the rest of us.
Mitt asked the question - are you better off than you were 4 years ago" - in other words vote based on your wallet. He is doing just that.
redsamurai
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The upside here is that in 49 days the polls might have Obama out so far ahead that i can go ahead and vote for the libertarian guy.
God shut up.
billfred
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What?
I thought he lived in Texas. I have a nephew making well above that, on the job for 6 months, and he barely graduated high school.
Sorry, I should have made it more clear that I wanted to know your opinions on what programs the repubs want to do away with. I could go to google and read the opinions of any number of people who cared to write about it. I don't have time. I just thought I'd ask you what you thought.
Also, I'm not a registered repub. Who told you I was?
See, you speak as such an expert on god damn near everything. digi comes in as a true expert on tax matters and gives his expert opinion on subjects and you will try to argue. What is it you do again? What's your field of expertise? Degree? Oh, right...everything. Never mind. Carry on.
at least you and headholio appear to agree that there are no rich democrats.
I am sure there are, but I'd be willing to open it up to be proved otherwise.
God knows there are absolutely no dems/libs that would be opposed to that plan though.
lolololoolololollollo
so true, but I would expand that to say ALL parties/politicians suck and don't care about any of us. It's like a prerequisite to running for office.
It's people like you who should be allowed to take advantage of those programs and keep taking advantage of them until you get to the point to where you don't need to anymore.
I am all for giving hand-ups instead of hand-outs. Going to school and need help paying bills and putting food on the table? Cool. But there should be a well laid out plan. Something with a start and end. Realistic goals. Nursing? Great. Get that RN and get a job, then get off assistance.
Wouldn't that also help the problem that head pointed out about making those bottom earners into higher earners so they CAN pay fed inc taxes?
If people take advantage of it? Kick them off. Make them get serious. Shit or get off the pot. Think of it as if it were your money (it is), and you were helping someone out. Would you pay for their food and rent if they kept skipping school?
digimon7068
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quite the contrary! there are probably more wealthy democrats than republicans...and obama had a chance to let that rule sunset at the end of 2010, but he included it on the extender's bill...because obama likes rich people too (i said that above, if you read further)...i was only referring to the people that constructed the law in the first place.
digimon7068
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^^^^ see ^^^^
I have student loans as well as grants. And if you took the time to actually read my other post you will see that I stated that I work 60 hours most weeks to avoid being on givernment assistance like food stamps and welfare. I support two kids without the benefit of child support. If I have any hope to send both son's to college (and both of my kids are honnor students and deserve to go to college), then these grants are necessary.
And these grants aren't free money so you can fyck around in school like a regular college kid. I have to enroll and be one class short of a full time student and the money isn't for living expenses. So don't think it's a picnic.
So tell me Goose, did you work that hard when you went to school?
digimon7068
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From the, “you never hear about that from the media” file – Those “Evil, Rich People” that Democrats are always wailing about are actually – Democrats.
In fact, the Top 3 on the list: Bill Gates, Warren Buffett & Larry Ellison are all Democrats. Together, they are worth $126 Billion Dollars.
An analysis of the Top 20 Richest People in America (from Forbes Top 100) reveals that a full 60% are actually Democrats.
In this Top 20 group, Democrats have a combined net worth of $263.1 billion dollars while the Republicans have a combined net worth of only $143.9 billion dollars – almost half that of Democrats.
they "love" and "care"...about MONEY!
sounds like someone's been pulling the wool over the eyes of the people for quite some time now...
I totally agree with you CEO, I also think anyone in givernment assistance or even taking grants for education should be drug tested. I think the kids in the household should maintain a passing grade point average so we can stop the cycle of uneducation and poverty. Afterall the kids are a qualifying factor for many if these programs.
Yep, he works at Randolph AFB. He makes $16 something an hour straight. Gets a lot of OT regularly though. He's been working there a year plus.
Has his associates, focus was on video game design. He's sort of stuck in the job currently thanks to debt. Fucking ex-wife of his insisted on living near Austin, real center of video game design there
What does your nephew do and where does he work?
Sounds surprising, but wtfbbq it's true-
In 2009, according to a memo from the Joint Committee on Taxation, a bi-partisan Congressional committee, only 49 percent of Americans owed money on their Federal income tax returns [source: PolitiFact]. So yes, it's true that more than half of all Americans paid no Federal income tax in the tax year 2009, and the number of people who did pay taxes was even lower -- 51 percent, not 53 percent. For tax year 2011, the non-partisan Tax Policy Center estimates that only 54 percent of Americans will pay Federal income tax.
HowStuffWorks "Is it true that only 53 percent of Americans pay income tax?"
As for his "entitlement-minded victims/freeloaders/etc." comments delegated to Obama voters, it's doubtful even 47% of that 47% are like he says (although I didn't believe the tax thing at first either), but it is still undeniably true that of those types of people, they will overwhelmingly vote for Obama. I know people like this firsthand, and they range for merely delinquent to completely worthless in society. It's easy to pick up in their attitudes alone.
Romney defends donor comment, says more jobs will mean more paying taxes | Fox News
Funny we don't see these types of things in mainstream media.
stick a fork in him he's done. Fuck that guy for making me vote for Obama. That's not a gaffe kiddies. If this is verified, and it looks like it is....there's gonna be alot of prominent republicans that are going to light him up for those statements. Obviously no one from Fox...i said "prominent". And he talks about class warfare? omg....they hypocrisy here is too much. Sorry Gary Johnson, maybe next election.
So in other words, CNN, NBC, ABC, etc. are all straight shooters? lmao.
Some typical Obama voters the first time around (not to say the same wasn't true for the other side but we've heard enough of that)-
Headholio
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I admire what you are doing. Your story is typical, but unfortunately republicans spread the lie that you must be laying on the couch snorting coke if you get government assistance.
This country will be far ahead if we give the best kids the opportunity to study, instead of just the rich kids.
Look at Bush and Romney. I'm not too impressed with the rich kids. I think our greatest treasure is our outstanding kids from every economic level, and we would be no better than a third world country if we ignored their talent because they are not part of the elite class.
Headholio
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Jack there is so much stupid shit in this post I don't know where to begin.
I think you will do better sticking to posting dick pics on the men's picture forum. It seems to be a subject you have a better "grip" on.
Headholio
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Typical republican, right CEO?
Wrong again my friend.
NPR and every other credible news source said:
Despite Fact Checks, Romney Escalates Welfare Work Requirement Charge : It's All Politics : NPR
And he succeeded. We didn't enter a great depression, the banks didn't fail, we transitioned from hundreds of thousands of lost jobs per month to steady job creation, and the stock market has doubled in value.
And the stock market has doubled in value. And the stock market has doubled in value. From when Bush left office in shame.
You obviously know all the republican talking points. Listen to Rush much? Ever research the truth? Did you read you read the articles about how fucked up crazy birthers really are? Have you modified your opinion on that?
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That was the point of my original post. I meet many women and men like me just trying to make a better life for thier kids.
And I did not mean to imply that I felt most on social services were drug addicts. I just think that if we have to be subject to drug tests for a job the same standard should be held for anyone accepting government help.
youpissmeoff
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Yep, he works at Randolph AFB. He makes $16 something an hour straight. Gets a lot of OT regularly though. He's been working there a year plus.
Has his associates, focus was on video game design. He's sort of stuck in the job currently thanks to debt. Fucking ex-wife of his insisted on living near Austin, real center of video game design there
What does your nephew do and where does he work?
Works in an oilfield shop. $18 hour starting with no experience. Puts in about 70 hrs / week
Let's make this simple for a change:
If someone is personally/socially responsible (shouldn't have to go into detail explaining what factors are involved here), and has the mental/physical capacity and drive to get ahead in life, rich or poor they should have first dibs on the resources needed to do so.
Of course, there will always be special circumstances here and there; an accident, bad genetics, even some bad luck, etc., but no on in their right mind can deny that our current system is being abused to no end. Our lack of immigration control, slap-dash educational standards, disposable culture and weakening moral fabric are a few standout causes. To say the rabbit hole goes deep is an understatement. Throw in some politics to only further dilute and divide society with no end in sight.
It's doubtful that there is an advanced nation more divided than the United States. Technically not even North and South Korea can match us. With all our resources, information capacity and abilities we should be doing much better than we are. The fact that it too often takes a tragedy before we come together is pretty depressing.
We're focusing on the wrong goals. The love of money has dug too deep in our society's backbone, infecting the spine and slowly corrupting every nerve ending it touches. Our standards keep sliding in the name of profit, intangible values are now scoffed at, and we're at the point where even "experts" can't say whether or not we're too broke to fix.
It's time to realign our priorities, if that's even possible without an extinction level event or close to it. WW3 or a modern civil war might sadly be our only way of rectifying all the wrongs we've accumulated over that last...hell, how far back should we go...
*sigh* enough of the obvious, how about a little history lesson-
Why do left and right mean liberal and conservative?
During the election season the words left and right denote political affiliation more than spatial direction. But where do these associations come from?
The left hand has long been associated with deviance. The word “sinister” originally meant “to the left” in Latin. The word “left” comes from the Old English word lyft, which literally meant “weak, foolish.” To avoid the negative and superstitious associations of the left side, many languages used euphemisms for it. In Old English the left side was called winestra, which meant “friendlier.” In Greek it was called aristeros or “the better one.”
When did the political affiliation of these two common words arise? In fact, the association is not American at all. It originated during the French Revolution. In the 1790s, King Louis XVI was fighting with the Legislative Assembly. Like our modern-day House of Representatives, seating in the French Legislative Assembly was arranged based on political affiliation. The King sat in front of the assembly. To his right sat the conservative Feuillants who backed the king and believed in a constitutional monarchy. To his left sat the liberal Girondists and radical Jacobins who wanted to install a completely democratic government. Oddly enough, in the U.S. House of Representatives the tables have turned: members of the Republican party sit to the left of the House Speaker and members of the Democratic party sit to his or her right.
It wasn’t until the early 20th century that Left and Right denoted political affiliation in Britain and the US, and the more politically loaded terms “leftwing” and “rightwing” were not widely used until after 1960 according to Google’s NGram viewer.
Read more at Why do left and right mean liberal and conservative? | The Hot Word | Hot & Trending Words Daily Blog at Dictionary.com
If someone is personally/socially responsible (shouldn't have to go into detail explaining what factors are involved here), and has the mental/physical capacity and drive to get ahead in life, rich or poor they should have first dibs on the resources needed to do so.
Of course, there will always be special circumstances here and there; an accident, bad genetics, even some bad luck, etc., but no on in their right mind can deny that our current system is being abused to no end. Our lack of immigration control, slap-dash educational standards, disposable culture and weakening moral fabric are a few standout causes. To say the rabbit hole goes deep is an understatement. Throw in some politics to only further dilute and divide society with no end in sight.
It's doubtful that there is an advanced nation more divided than the United States. Technically not even North and South Korea can match us. With all our resources, information capacity and abilities we should be doing much better than we are. The fact that it too often takes a tragedy before we come together is pretty depressing.
We're focusing on the wrong goals. The love of money has dug too deep in our society's backbone, infecting the spine and slowly corrupting every nerve ending it touches. Our standards keep sliding in the name of profit, intangible values are now scoffed at, and we're at the point where even "experts" can't say whether or not we're too broke to fix.
It's time to realign our priorities, if that's even possible without an extinction level event or close to it. WW3 or a modern civil war might sadly be our only way of rectifying all the wrongs we've accumulated over that last...hell, how far back should we go...
*sigh* enough of the obvious, how about a little history lesson-
Why do left and right mean liberal and conservative?
During the election season the words left and right denote political affiliation more than spatial direction. But where do these associations come from?
The left hand has long been associated with deviance. The word “sinister” originally meant “to the left” in Latin. The word “left” comes from the Old English word lyft, which literally meant “weak, foolish.” To avoid the negative and superstitious associations of the left side, many languages used euphemisms for it. In Old English the left side was called winestra, which meant “friendlier.” In Greek it was called aristeros or “the better one.”
When did the political affiliation of these two common words arise? In fact, the association is not American at all. It originated during the French Revolution. In the 1790s, King Louis XVI was fighting with the Legislative Assembly. Like our modern-day House of Representatives, seating in the French Legislative Assembly was arranged based on political affiliation. The King sat in front of the assembly. To his right sat the conservative Feuillants who backed the king and believed in a constitutional monarchy. To his left sat the liberal Girondists and radical Jacobins who wanted to install a completely democratic government. Oddly enough, in the U.S. House of Representatives the tables have turned: members of the Republican party sit to the left of the House Speaker and members of the Democratic party sit to his or her right.
It wasn’t until the early 20th century that Left and Right denoted political affiliation in Britain and the US, and the more politically loaded terms “leftwing” and “rightwing” were not widely used until after 1960 according to Google’s NGram viewer.
Read more at Why do left and right mean liberal and conservative? | The Hot Word | Hot & Trending Words Daily Blog at Dictionary.com
Yep,I sure did and I know how hard it is for you to go to school and work. Thats says a lot about you and I hope you land a great job.
Grants are free money. You have to pay back the grant you are getting?? If so, thats called a loan not a grant. Yes, you have to enroll in school and make the grades but you still have to do that if you pay for school on your own.
He was looking into that field of work not too long ago, he was actually pretty enthusiastic about it. Don't know what happened, but it didn't pan out. I know he can't move right now either (he just moved) so it may be a location thing, but he never said he anything about a job offer. I'll have to ask him.
I'm not sure you are reading my posts clearly....
I know there is a difference between a grant and a loan, I said I get both...
You know what, nevermind. I have to go back to work my lunch break is over.
And to Strongbow:
STFU
redsamurai
Banned
yes
Half the people in that group (which includee retirees, active military, people who work at low paying jobs) vote Republicans, so he cost himself votes. A married couple with two children does not pay income taxes until they make > $44,000 a year. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a year or two Romney didn't pay any taxes in which he'd be a 47%'er.
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