Recovery time when ON

[rocksolid215]

What's the general rule of thumb for working out while on? I just started Tren/Prop and believe I can workout more than usual because I'll recover quicker. Can someone gauge overtraining while on for me?

This is not what I will typically do, but this week I was thinking of doing this.
Just because I am sleeping more during the day this week:

Yesterday (Tuesday): Shoulder's and back
Today (Wednesday @5:30 AM): Tri's and Bi's
Today (Wednesday @8:00 PM): Legs
Thursday: Chest
Friday Shoulders and Back
Saturday: Off
Sunday Tri's and Bi's

What do some of your splits look like? When ON .. and compared to when OFF?

 

[Bruce]

similar to that, i try to do my lagging muscle part twice a week while i'm on. if my muscles feel at all fatigued though i don't continue and i'll just do abs and forearms on sundays. i wouldn't do shoulders and back that close together they are too big of muscle groups

 

[LVTitan]

i usually devote a whole day to shoulders, or i'll squeeze some legs in on shoulder day since i've always let the legs go for too long.
SUN arms-bi/tri/fore
MON chest
TUE shoulder/legs
WED back/bi
THU chest/tri
FRI shoulder/leg

i try to get all body parts 2wice a week that way, and i'll do abs a couple times a week depending on time

 

[Bruce]

there is just no way i can get back in twice a week, it gets too fatigued. chest as well. my shoulders and arms i can get away with doing twice.

 

[rocksolid215]

similar to that, i try to do my lagging muscle part twice a week while i'm on. if my muscles feel at all fatigued though i don't continue and i'll just do abs and forearms on sundays. i wouldn't do shoulders and back that close together they are too big of muscle groups

Good point, I think i'll break them up to two separate days. That should spread out the recovery time for everything.

 

[LVTitan]

yeah i did only write down back once...
my back/shoulders/lats are my fastest growing muscle group, arms are very close behing. my legs/chest are the lagging areas,
i hit back once a week cause that's all it needs, lats/shoulders/arms twice a week cause they get freaky big so fast i like to see it, and chest/legs get twice a week cuase they need all the help they can get.

 

[Bruce]

no i was saying how he did shoulders back twice

 

[rocksolid215]

Yeah I think it all depends on muscle fatigue too. Wouldn't you guys agree that when your body tells you you're ready you're ready?

i.e. You wake up in the morning without a pump in that muscle group, and it is fresh and ready. Say you get this feeling only TWO days after doing chest, shouldn't you be able to do chest again?

Isn't it all about what you feel?

 

[djsf]

What's the general rule of thumb for working out while on? I just started Tren/Prop and believe I can workout more than usual because I'll recover quicker. Can someone gauge overtraining while on for me?

This is not what I will typically do, but this week I was thinking of doing this.
Just because I am sleeping more during the day this week:

Yesterday (Tuesday): Shoulder's and back
Today (Wednesday @5:30 AM): Tri's and Bi's
Today (Wednesday @8:00 PM): Legs
Thursday: Chest
Friday Shoulders and Back
Saturday: Off
Sunday Tri's and Bi's

What do some of your splits look like? When ON .. and compared to when OFF?

My understanding is recovery time is greatly enhanced on gear and, so long as you get enough sleep and eat enough protein, it is virtually impossible to overtrain. for me, 5 days on and 2 off per week seems about right. I would try something like the psoposed routine, and after a week gauge how you feel and make adjustments.

Tren definitely gives me the drive to work out a lot and work out hard, with greatly improved recovery (like 1-2 days!)

One more thing: My current cycle is deca + test (I started the deca early just to see what it feels like, will start the test in a couple days) and my experience with deca is I am definitely building lean mass (gained 7 lean lbs in 10 days) but it is not improving my recovery time like I saw with tren. Maybe that's just the personality of deca? I don't know.

 

[pda321]

i will relate from personal experience that i didn't even know what "overtraining" meant till i was ON for the first time (ie, now). Maybe it's cuz i had a weak-ass benchpress before, but jumpting up 25 lbs on bench in a week's time really rocked the hell out of my anterior delts and i'm seriously considering giving the bench a week off now. which is unfortunate, as my pecs are lagging and increasing them was one of the main reasons i went ON in the first place. of course, i could squat silly and deadlift all day on or off, but the one friggin muscle group i want to work...oh hell, when did this turn into a whine session??

 

[galaxy]

On or off my training stays the same.

 

[OMEGA]

I have always been a fan of the infamous splt that follows:

day1:
Chest , Delts, Tris
day2:
Back , Bis
day3:
Legs, Abs
day4:
OFF

to do the above you have to have your sh+t together in terms of diet and all else.....

 

[njmuscleguy]

I've been struggling with routines myself... hard to figure out which is the best until you actually try them all.... I'm 4 weeks into my 10 week cycle of deca & test, just now starting to feel that extra *yah!* - gained about 10 solid pounds so far (keeping the body fat in check with sesamax & glucorell) - here's the routine I just switched to:
Sun - Back & Bi's
Mon - Off (Cardio)
Tues - Shoulders & Quads (I like to split legs)
Wed - Arms
Thurs - Glutes, Hams, Calves
Fri - Off (Cardio)
Sat - Chest & Tri's

My arms were definitely lagging, so I'm hitting them twice a week... my chest & back are fast-growers, so I hit them hard once a week. Definitely important to get time off to let muscles recover and grow!

 

[shawnerk]

On or off my training stays the same.

same here - 'cept maybe do a 2nd 'light' chest workout somewhere in my week. It feels as if you can train again the very next day, but you should give a muscle group a week to repair/grow or close to...

Mon - chest
Tue - back
wed - legs
thu - shoulders, light chest (fly type wkout)
fri - tri, maybe bis if my tris aren't about to explode from the pumps
sat - bis if not done of fri - but I do like two days rest
sun - rest

 

[bigtravis]

I have always been a fan of the infamous splt that follows:

day1:
Chest , Delts, Tris
day2:
Back , Bis
day3:
Legs, Abs
day4:
OFF

to do the above you have to have your sh+t together in terms of diet and all else.....

yeap. i did that exact one for years. now i just do:
mon: chest, bi's
tues: legs
wed: off
thurs: back, abs
fri: shoulders, tri's
sat. and sun. off
this one lets me hit them harder in less time and gives me more time for rest also.

 

[OMEGA]

yeap. i did that exact one for years. now i just do:
mon: chest, bi's
tues: legs
wed: off
thurs: back, abs
fri: shoulders, tri's
sat. and sun. off
this one lets me hit them harder in less time and gives me more time for rest also.

pretty cool your split is the only other one I could use with any results

I also throw in Deadlifts on Leg day, and pushups on the Deltoid, Tricep days to really make it flow on that split

good stuff

 

[OMEGA]

actually you should do it this way:

mon: chest, bi's
tues: legs ( do stiff legged deadlifts, this helps with back a little)
wed: off
thurs: shoulders, tri's ( throw in Pushups or dips for chest to keep the mind /muscle connection for the next chest day)
fri: back, abs
sat. and sun. off

 

[LVTitan]

My understanding is recovery time is greatly enhanced on gear and, so long as you get enough sleep and eat enough protein, it is virtually impossible to overtrain. for me, 5 days on and 2 off per week seems about right. I would try something like the psoposed routine, and after a week gauge how you feel and make adjustments.

Tren definitely gives me the drive to work out a lot and work out hard, with greatly improved recovery (like 1-2 days!)

One more thing: My current cycle is deca + test (I started the deca early just to see what it feels like, will start the test in a couple days) and my experience with deca is I am definitely building lean mass (gained 7 lean lbs in 10 days) but it is not improving my recovery time like I saw with tren. Maybe that's just the personality of deca? I don't know.

i dont know what else you are taking with this, but you didnt put 7lbs on in 10 days with deca. it hasnt even started working yet. you wont start to really notice any gains from deca till around week 5 bor....
are you on any orals ??

 

[used2juice]

I don't wanna get into this arguement but you can for sure overtrain when on. I've made more gains keeping my split and set totals the same as when I'm training natural, as opposed to increasing my sets or days in the gym. I also only work each bodypart once a week, over 5 days.

But, that being said, I'm sure there are just as many that gain well on hitting bodyparts twice a week. It's all on how your bpdy reacts, you'll be able to tell if you take the time to try both.

 

[LVTitan]

when off i usually hit each 1x week. i do work out harder when ON

 

[MeatheadJD]

im pretty large and train often
6 ft 230 -240
day 1 chest and tri
day 2 back and bi
day 3 shoulder traps
day 4 legs
day5 chest tri
day 6 back bi
day 7 shoulder trap
day 8 off
start over
thats when i am on 1 gram of test and 600 mg eq plus dbol or winny