Reasons why I wonder why I still like men:

[sk*]

Sometimes I have that problem with women and sometimes I dont. It all depends on who Im going out with at the time. It also depends on which person asked the other one out for the date, i.e. if I asked them out then I expect to pay and if they asked me out then I expect them to pay, or at least pay for themselves. I think you may be subconsciously seeking out a certain type of woman and you arent even aware of it, because the same problem of paying for the dates always arises for you. Its a numbers game bro, if you ask a girl out on the first date and she sits there dumb like a rock while you fork over the money all night while you are on the date, then go to the next girl and see if she offers to pay for herself or whatever. Give a girl one date and you will have her figured out regarding her views on paying for dates, if she is a golddigger then move on to the next one.

They will bitch and moan behind you for 100years if you don't pay SPECIALLY for the first few dates.

-sk

 

[flexygrl]

Hey Frackal,

No unfortunatly you can't make it where we live without a two income household. I get home before him and I do try to make sure he has a home cooked meal waiting for him. That's something my mom taught me. I was brought up in a very strict hispanic home where the man was the head of the household.

I share a lot of my moms views, but I don't think it's about submission. It's about love and respect. Like mondays for instance, I don't get home until after 9. Well my husband will cook for us on Monday and take care of the animals. It's about mutual repect. It's about loving someone enough to make sure they are taken care of and that they are happy. I really, really try my best and so does he.

 

[duff_rose]

Women are damned either way!! You picked some prime examples of some nasty remarks made by men about women...
But so are men...they are also damned!! Women complain about men, men complain about women.
But we have to remember that there are women out there, like the ones written about in these specific threads, who allow themselves to be treated in this demeaning manner. They give the good girls a bad name.
But that's ok...let the less-worthy women be dirty. Then real men will be able to appreciate the good ones when they find them.

This is pretty much what I wanted to say in retort. It works both ways, however there are a hell of a lot more guys on this board than women, therefore there's going to be more bitching about women. But you didn't get my quote from the "Today's American women" thread:

I love 'em!

See, We're not all assholes.

 

[sk*]

Hey Frackal,

No unfortunatly you can't make it where we live without a two income household. I get home before him and I do try to make sure he has a home cooked meal waiting for him. That's something my mom taught me. I was brought up in a very strict hispanic home where the man was the head of the household.

I share a lot of my moms views, but I don't think it's about submission. It's about love and respect. Like mondays for instance, I don't get home until after 9. Well my husband will cook for us on Monday and take care of the animals. It's about mutual repect. It's about loving someone enough to make sure they are taken care of and that they are happy. I really, really try my best and so does he.

Believe it or not most woman aren't like that, specially american woman as they didn't grow up in the strict households you are talking about. Besides you are married now and once you trully love someone a lot will change, including the support you will give him and he will give you. Once I know for sure I am gonna spend the rest of my life with a girl, she can have access to my every penny.

-sk

 

[flexygrl]

Believe it or not most woman aren't like that, specially american woman as they didn't grow up in the strict households you are talking about. Besides you are married now and once you trully love someone a lot will change, including the support you will give him and he will give you. Once I know for sure I am gonna spend the rest of my life with a girl, she can have access to my every penny.

That's so true *sk.

When you are married the money is just a big pool. It really doesn't matter where it comes from. He gets my whole entire paycheck, and I trust that he does the right thing with it. And he does. Because of him I have a beautiful house, a new car and basically anything I want. Yes I work too but I would never have the luxory of just getting something I want if it was not for him. Oh, and I always ask before I buy anything.

 

[velvett]

Hey guess what - If women didn't insist we pay for everything, than I wouldnt have to take money as one of the largest factors in who and how I date...


Women want sex just as much as men do...or close... yet for some reason we still have to pay for it one way or another...

I wasn't always this sardonic..I grew this way....I don't hate women or anything...I'm just limited in who I can date because I am unwilling to spend a significant portion of my paycheck on something that is enjoyable for BOTH of us.

Then don't dating GIRLS that never once offer to pay and don't start a dated with the out look of "I bet this bitch expects me to PAY for this meal (or movie, etc).

That's the overall problem with people- associating sex and money as it pertains to relationships in the same sentence or consideration.

 

[velvett]

See, We're not all assholes.

LOL

Didn't say you were..

Because as you represent yourself as “men” on these boards, most of you are not man enough to be a real man anyway (and if you see that as untrue, stand up and say so).

... and you follow direction perfectly.

 

[velvett]

One thing that I think is extremely important the we few women must remember is that this is primarily a man dominated board.

My husband is always telling me that sometimes men need to be with other men and just talk and not worry about what a women might say. I think that is what's going on with this board. The men are venting or talking about their experiences. They are not taking into account the women on this board, or how it might hurt us to hear such nastiness.

There is really nothing we can do. I do not think they will change. If some one gets dumped on tonight, you better believe that tomorrow morning their will be posting, how all women are hoes, selfish, gold diggers, fill in the blank here....

I sincerely hope that these men find a women one day that will make them eat their words. Until that happens I don't think that you should take these comments to heart at all. I know I don't.

I am not condoning anything that they do, but I chose not to make a big deal out of it, or to let it bother me. Trust me, these men here are not the norm. And most importantly a good man would never say any of this crap to our faces that we are reading almost on a daily basis.

The funny thing is I am sure I can bet money on the fact that my husband did his share of women bashing. I mean it really can be frustrating for them. And we have done our share too.

I don't know if any of this makes sense, I just felt a need to commnent.

Great Post.

Very true.

 

[sk*]

velvett,

Have you ever payed on a date? Specifically on a first date?

And don't tell me "he didn't let you pay," which is riddiculous as he didn't use force on you.

-sk

 

[big4life]

People need to remember that no matter how much you pay for a date, it doesn't obligate the other person to have sex. And if someone spends x amount of money on a date that doesn't mean that they are trying to buy you.

It is about maturity and some form of respect.