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Badkins21 said:
Thank you. I truly appreciate that. I was just wondering if I was reading you right, that's all. Fellow Texan.
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Thank you. I truly appreciate that. I was just wondering if I was reading you right, that's all. Fellow Texan.
thebabydoc
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Rugger:
Although I like the overall tone and restraint of your post, I am unclear
on a very basic aspect. Are you saying that because the Muslims say that
Jerusalem is holy ground then it is so?
We have already seen what radical muslims are willing to do to accomplish
their goals (which are genocide and world dominance- Jihad). Lying and false propaganda are probably pretty much non-offenses to these animals.
We need to forget about "native" and not native people and "who was there first";
we could argue this back to the stone age. It comes down to who lives there now,
what kind of government is it and what their goals are (assuming we are all for democracy and freedom...caveat: no one is saying that socialism or communism is wrong if the people choose it but...)
This is VERY simplistic, but if they are peaceful, not trying to expand their borders
or erradicate another race then let them be. Unfortunately not one of these things can be said for ANY of the islamic countries save for Egypt and Saudi Arabia.
As GNR said..."Welcome to the Jungle...Time to Die!!!!"
Although I like the overall tone and restraint of your post, I am unclear
on a very basic aspect. Are you saying that because the Muslims say that
Jerusalem is holy ground then it is so?
We have already seen what radical muslims are willing to do to accomplish
their goals (which are genocide and world dominance- Jihad). Lying and false propaganda are probably pretty much non-offenses to these animals.
We need to forget about "native" and not native people and "who was there first";
we could argue this back to the stone age. It comes down to who lives there now,
what kind of government is it and what their goals are (assuming we are all for democracy and freedom...caveat: no one is saying that socialism or communism is wrong if the people choose it but...)
This is VERY simplistic, but if they are peaceful, not trying to expand their borders
or erradicate another race then let them be. Unfortunately not one of these things can be said for ANY of the islamic countries save for Egypt and Saudi Arabia.
As GNR said..."Welcome to the Jungle...Time to Die!!!!"
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Toenail Juice Z
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The real truth.
I aint anti American or Anti Arab, but....
Terrorism is a terrible thing. And it will never be the answer to any problem. However, what most Americans fail to realize is the motivation behind those horrible acts of terror, and why the Arab World, especially the Palestinians were seen cheering. And that the attack on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon could have been avoided.
In a nutshell: The Western World created the state of Israel after World War 2 - in the heart of the Arab World. The Palestinians were there first. It is their land. It's basically the same thing that happened to the Native Americans in the U.S.
The Israelis have taken over the territory and the Palestinians live in Reservations. And as if that wasn't bad enough, the Israelis keep building more and more settlements in the Palestinian reservations.
The Israelis are flat out wrong. There's no way around that.
To us Westerners they all may seem like a bunch of Middle Eastern nutjobs who just can't get along although they all look the same to us anyway. (I'm exaggerating, but I'm sure you know what I'm trying to say.)
But if you take the time to look into the history of the conflict, you'll realize WHY the Palestinians have such hatred for their Israeli oppressors and its strongest ally, the U.S.
To the Palestinians it's the same fight for survival that the Native Americans once fought against the U.S. - and lost. And Palestine is fighting the same fight for autonomy that the U.S. once fought against Britain, and won.
Are you trying to tell me no civilians died during those wars? How many innocent Native Americans were shot or hung by the U.S. government or lynch mobs back then?
To the Palestinians every Israeli and every U.S. Citizen is the enemy - an almost invincible enemy, and they really have no chance of winning, so any small victory (terrorism in our eyes) will be celebrated.
Just like the allies once celebrated the destruction of every city in Germany during World War 2, because Germany were the agressors. Israel and the U.S. are the aggressors/invaders/oppressors to the Palestinians.
And all of the Arab world sees it the same way. Are all these millions of people wrong? No - they're just on the other side of this conflict.
This act of terrorism could probably have been avoided if Israel would agree to stop building new settlements in the tiny Palestine reservations. There would finally be a chance for peace in the Middle East, and the Arab World would no longer have a reason to see Israel and the U.S. as aggressors, and have no reasons to retaliate (terrorize) the U.S.
I aint anti American or Anti Arab, but....
Terrorism is a terrible thing. And it will never be the answer to any problem. However, what most Americans fail to realize is the motivation behind those horrible acts of terror, and why the Arab World, especially the Palestinians were seen cheering. And that the attack on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon could have been avoided.
In a nutshell: The Western World created the state of Israel after World War 2 - in the heart of the Arab World. The Palestinians were there first. It is their land. It's basically the same thing that happened to the Native Americans in the U.S.
The Israelis have taken over the territory and the Palestinians live in Reservations. And as if that wasn't bad enough, the Israelis keep building more and more settlements in the Palestinian reservations.
The Israelis are flat out wrong. There's no way around that.
To us Westerners they all may seem like a bunch of Middle Eastern nutjobs who just can't get along although they all look the same to us anyway. (I'm exaggerating, but I'm sure you know what I'm trying to say.)
But if you take the time to look into the history of the conflict, you'll realize WHY the Palestinians have such hatred for their Israeli oppressors and its strongest ally, the U.S.
To the Palestinians it's the same fight for survival that the Native Americans once fought against the U.S. - and lost. And Palestine is fighting the same fight for autonomy that the U.S. once fought against Britain, and won.
Are you trying to tell me no civilians died during those wars? How many innocent Native Americans were shot or hung by the U.S. government or lynch mobs back then?
To the Palestinians every Israeli and every U.S. Citizen is the enemy - an almost invincible enemy, and they really have no chance of winning, so any small victory (terrorism in our eyes) will be celebrated.
Just like the allies once celebrated the destruction of every city in Germany during World War 2, because Germany were the agressors. Israel and the U.S. are the aggressors/invaders/oppressors to the Palestinians.
And all of the Arab world sees it the same way. Are all these millions of people wrong? No - they're just on the other side of this conflict.
This act of terrorism could probably have been avoided if Israel would agree to stop building new settlements in the tiny Palestine reservations. There would finally be a chance for peace in the Middle East, and the Arab World would no longer have a reason to see Israel and the U.S. as aggressors, and have no reasons to retaliate (terrorize) the U.S.
Toenail...: Saying that the "Western World created Isreal" is just retarded, plain and simple.
I think that's been debated 17 times over the last few days, and all of the REFERENCED opinions have proven that it is the Palestinians who "claim" the land is their's, yet have no rational basis for saying so...
I think that's been debated 17 times over the last few days, and all of the REFERENCED opinions have proven that it is the Palestinians who "claim" the land is their's, yet have no rational basis for saying so...
Rhinoceros
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BigDdaGanjalist said:
No, the worst consequence of all this is the hundreds, maybe thousands, of children with no fathers or mothers, the widows, and the mothers weeping over their children. And not only having their loved ones gone, but having to watch these Arab fuckers dancing and celebrating their deaths. I guarantee you there will be rejoicing in America when every Arab nation that supports terrorists is bombed into oblivion, but it will not be because of the civilian deaths that will doubtlessly occur. It will be because our world will be free from the terror that these Arab bastards have inflicted.
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Babydoc-
It's interesting you are Jewish and you are quoting GNR. Axel has not made particularly flattering remarks towards Jews and other types of minorities in the past. You also called MKZK a stupid fuck! Why? Because he does not support the Jewish cause! I have news for you man, with the majority of the people in this country being protestant christian gentiles, MKZK echoes how many of us feel. Furthermore, Israel is not a member of the original nuclear club! Not that they are not capable, they are very bright people and I have much respect for those of them in academia. I believe in giving credit where it's due but please don't try to shove your ideals down my throat and don't go around calling people stupid fucks because they have a different point of view.
It's interesting you are Jewish and you are quoting GNR. Axel has not made particularly flattering remarks towards Jews and other types of minorities in the past. You also called MKZK a stupid fuck! Why? Because he does not support the Jewish cause! I have news for you man, with the majority of the people in this country being protestant christian gentiles, MKZK echoes how many of us feel. Furthermore, Israel is not a member of the original nuclear club! Not that they are not capable, they are very bright people and I have much respect for those of them in academia. I believe in giving credit where it's due but please don't try to shove your ideals down my throat and don't go around calling people stupid fucks because they have a different point of view.
Any ideas which can be substantiated will be considered. Ideas which can not be substantiated will be considered unproven allegations.
Citations will add weight to any argument. From there, the sources of the substantion will be considered. "Popularity" of ideas does not matter. The emotion behind an argument does not matter.
Not everything can be proven, but some things come closer than others.
The people who are most virulently anti-Israel, in my oh-so humble opinion, do not seem to be substantiating any of their claims. They win points for emotion, but none for effective debate.
Vitriol does not an argument make.
I was an anti-Zionist Jew for a verrry long time, until I actually began to study the History of the Middle East. I have turned around, and I am ashamed of past opinions of Zionism.
Citations will add weight to any argument. From there, the sources of the substantion will be considered. "Popularity" of ideas does not matter. The emotion behind an argument does not matter.
Not everything can be proven, but some things come closer than others.
The people who are most virulently anti-Israel, in my oh-so humble opinion, do not seem to be substantiating any of their claims. They win points for emotion, but none for effective debate.
Vitriol does not an argument make.
I was an anti-Zionist Jew for a verrry long time, until I actually began to study the History of the Middle East. I have turned around, and I am ashamed of past opinions of Zionism.
thebabydoc
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What exactly is your point?Ffactor said:
I called him a stupid fuck because that's what he is, not because he dosen't share my point of view. You'll notice I did not call rugger a stupid fuck although I disagree with his point of view. People who present false propaganda as fact to intelligent people are stupid fucks to those of us who know better. That is a fact.
If you really want to get technical, the only real member of the "original" nuclear club is the USA, but you might want to check out the last names of some of the US scientists. Next came the USSR, then Israel. So yes, I know know my facts, but sometimes you have to simplify so that everyone can get the picture.
" I have news for you man, with the majority of the people in this country being protestant christian gentiles, MKZK echoes how many of us feel"
Well, if the truth of my words has stopped all of you in the majority from expressing your "opinions" then I have succeeded.
I have not made one iota of effort to shove "ideals" down anyone's throat, I have pointed out half-truths and complete non-truths and then inserted personal opinions e.g. "You are a stupid fuck". You have no idea what my ideals are. The closest I have come to stating my ideals is when I said...
"if they are peaceful, not trying to expand their borders or erradicate
another race then let them be" This is neither pro-Israel or anyone else.
If you really want to know my ideals, here they are...
"Do whatever you want, but don't hurt anybody. Don't lie. Don't cheat. Say what you mean and do it."
As for Axel, he too is, (say it with me), a stupid fuck, but I had to give proper credit to the lyric, for I do not steal from others and try to pass off as my own what is not.
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