proving creaction with living dinosaurs

[HappyScrappy]

big_bad_buff, while I'm all open for debate and intertesting new ideas... I'm gonna go out on a limb and just guess that you either never went to your bio classes, or if you did, you were totally lost.

It is far easier to say "I'm not a moron that can't understand basic scientific fact, it must be the basic scientific fact that is wrong"

the whole concept of "if there were not dinosaurs, therefore there must have been a creation" is... well, embarrassingly silly and shortsighted (for starters, you might say there are oh... other planets and quantum physics, etc that need to be explained as well in order to go with the whole creationism route - but... well, fuck that, way too hard - let's just run with the no dinosaurs = creationism).
I feel dumber for having wandered in here.

(although I must say it was a nice touch to not even spell it right in the title - the confidence inspired right of the bat was amazing)

 

[Y_lifter]

This Literal translation and Understanding of Genesis is probably the One area of my faith I struggle with.

I find it confusing with my knowledge of Biology to follow the Literal translation of God creating the Universe and the Earth in only 7 of our days.

I ask myself, How long is a "Day" to GOD ? 24 hours ?
I do buy that He created the Universe, All the creatures of the Earth First, and then he created Man in that order.

As far as the timetable and the exact workings of how it went,
that is a Mystery no one may ever know.

You can't argue with someones faith. It is not something that can be scientifically proven. Hence it being called FAITH !

 

[bigguns7]

This Literal translation and Understanding of Genesis is probably the One area of my faith I struggle with.

I find it confusing with my knowledge of Biology to follow the Literal translation of God creating the Universe and the Earth in only 7 of our days.

I ask myself, How long is a "Day" to GOD ? 24 hours ?
I do buy that He created the Universe, All the creatures of the Earth First, and then he created Man in that order.

What is so hard for you to swallow here?

 

[Y_lifter]

Originally posted by bigguns7
What is so hard for you to swallow here?

It not so much a Swallow issue, its just an area(timeframes) I don't fully understand or think was translated correctly.
I have done research on how the Bible was translated down through the centuries.

I know all the conflicting Scientific data about Carbon dating, fossil data etc saying the earth is Billions of years old.
And Genesis and the timeframes of years stating it was only a few hundred thousand I think.

Many question the Timeframes understood in Genesis and the other first 5 books of the OT.

 

[Silent Method]

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Originally posted by Silent Method
The "dinosaurs are just big lizards" theory is worthless. Call them purple cupcakes if you like. They were an specific type of organism that is now extinct. Big deal.

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i'm sure there was big guy, job 40:15-24 says so, but like you said BIG DEAL!!

WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING? That passage describes the "Behemoth," a creature unlike any that man knows today. What ever it was, presumable it is now extinct. So what?

were you talking to me when you said that "deny Gods omnipotence" speech?, because if that was directed towards me, your way off bucko brown!

Yes I was refering to you. Look, in a nutshell, what is your logical argument against evolution?

 

[Intenceman]

The evidence is oeverwhelming in favor of evolution. This doesn't mean you can't believe in whatever you want. Any attempt to pass it of as science just comes off as a bad joke to an educated person though, and hurts one's credibility.

 

[big_bad_buff]

WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING? That passage describes the "Behemoth," a creature unlike any that man knows today. What ever it was, presumable it is now extinct. So what?

[Reference: Job 40:15-24. “Behold now behemoth [dinosaur], which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox. Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly. He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together. His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron. He is the chief of the ways of God: He that made him can make His sword to approach unto him. Surely the mountains bring him forth food, where all the beasts of the field play. He lieth under the shady trees, in the covert of the reed, and fens. The shady trees cover him with their shadow; the willows of the brook compass him about. Behold, he drinketh up a river, and hasteth not: he trusteth that he can draw up Jordan into his mouth. He taketh it with his eyes: his nose pierceth through snares.”
NOTE: Reason called ‘behemoth’ is that is the name given it by Adam during the naming process.]
Job lived immediately after the Flood. There is a 500 year period between the Flood and the birth of Abraham according to the genealogy in Genesis 11. Dinosaurs were made on the sixth day of Creation, along with the rest of the animals and with man. They were on the ark, exited the ark, and lived an estimated 300-400 years until life overall took a downward plunge. Man and dinosaur lived at the same time, both created by God.

Behemoth once was theorized to mean elephant or hippo. Note in verse 17 that its tail was like a cedar. This is incompatible with either in terms of length or thickness. Colors applied to dinosaurs are nothing more than educated guesswork, as no skin with pigments has ever been found.

 

[big_bad_buff]

Yes I was refering to you. Look, in a nutshell, what is your logical argument against evolution?

there is no argument bro, but what is your logical argument against Creation? will you please prove to me that evolution is true? there has never been any proof at all that it is, NONE!, when you get down to it, there is a religion called christianity, and a religion called evolution, christians believe god created everything, and evolutionists believe nothing created everything, RIGHT??? PM me if you want, but this post is old news...OUT

 

[Temple]

there is no argument bro, but what is your logical argument against Creation? will you please prove to me that evolution is true? there has never been any proof at all that it is, NONE!, when you get down to it, there is a religion called christianity, and a religion called evolution, christians believe god created everything, and evolutionists believe nothing created everything, RIGHT??? PM me if you want, but this post is old news...OUT

 

[Silent Method]

there is no argument bro, but what is your logical argument against Creation?

I have none. Creation is real. So is the scientific reality of the physical universe, which God created. Are not the bounds of science established by God?

Now I will agree that science as practiced by man will have a degree of error. So it is with anything touched by man. I will ask you, is not the bible God's truth as filtered through the hands of man? I know that the Bible is sacred and living. Is God's own creation, here for us to observe, any less sacred, any less living?

Creationism and evolutionism are not mutually exclusive.

If you have faith in the belief that every living organism was created simultaneously, that's fine. However, my faith in God, my very belief that he created an orderly world, leads me to accept his physical reality. I believe that that physical reality includes overwhelming evidence for evolution. In my heart, to deny this observable physical reality is to deny God.

The clues to the reality of evolution fit together like a magnificent puzzle created by God. Actively denying them is, to me, quite a sad denial of Gods omnipotence.